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ShesDayDreaming, in Why ecosystem collapses may occur much sooner than expected
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I study environmental science and I can believe it, every model I've used all the sources I've used that predict have been conservative in numbers compared to what's going on.

The problem is we are never going to do what needs to be done because capitalism is the literal cause and the world is addicted to capitalism because none of the companies are going to do what they need to do unless it's profitable.

bedrooms,

It's greed or commercialism. Capitalism is synonymous to them in popular discussions, but even if you picked a non-capitalist stance like communism, they'd produce greenhouse gas anyway.

Puppy, in Southern US Reaches Dangerous "Wet Bulb Temperature". Here's What That Means
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If we were in the right timeline we would have fixed our dependance to fossil energy a long ass time ago.

Instead we've got a bunch of people who still believe vaccines causes autism because the internet told them that.

When did we fail going forward? As humanity, I mean.

Ganondorf,
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It's really so sad and frustrating for those under the age of 45. Millennials were raised during a time of prosperity and possibilities, only to find out it was all a sham by the selfish, stupid and mostly older generations. Now Millennials, Gen Z and Gen A will reap the outcomes of all that while those who caused it will die off before things get even worse. I harbor no resent towards Gen X, but their refusal to fight the tide certainly didn't help.

thesebits,

as a genXer we were promised and viewed all that could be done and was being done. then they voted in Reagan and was all stripped away. any glimpse of prosperity during the 90s was GenX optimism that was destroyed in 2000 when it was all stolen from everyone again. GenX doesn't do anything anymore because we were told to shut up as we grew up in the 80s and then had it stolen again in the 2000 election.

RecursiveParadox,
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Amen. Also we were high as f*ck.

Big_Boss_77,
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Were?

monsterlynn,
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@thesebits Definitely. I remember as a kid in the 70s all of this innovation and research into getting us off of fossil fuels being taught to us and a real sense of optimism about the future and science. So much changed for the better or was moving in the right direction then fucking Reagan and the Bushes and greedy cronies like Gingrich come into power and ripped all of that away.

@Whirlgirl9 @Puppy @Ganondorf

Turkey_Titty_city,

Do you hang out with people under 45?

People are selfish and stupid no matter the age. My city is full of people driving gas guzzlers, traveling all the time, and ordering UberEats for every meal. They are all under 45. Then gen Z are particular bad and refuse to use public transit.

It's not about age. It's about class/wealthy. The poor use far fewer resources than the wealthy do. Rich young people are living in 5000sq ft homes by themselves and burning through natural gas and oil. They aren't living in 500sq ft apartment like ordinary folks.

setInner234,

Agree with everything you’re saying, but one slight problem with public transit is just how ridiculously unsafe it feels. People might be much more likely to get injured in a car crash, but the fear of being attacked or otherwise molested on public transport is simply bigger.

Bipta,

And let's not forget COVID now too.

vaeleery,
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That's not even the real issue imo, just the symptom. Public transit needs to be an actually viable alternative to driving which is hard to do when it's underfunded and we bulldozed our cities to build low-density car-dependent hellscapes we now call cities. If I get out of the states at some point I want to go somewhere walkable with nice transit so badly. Not Just Bikes has me wanting to go to Amsterdam, that looks heavenly

albinanigans,

Unsafe and unreliable (YMMV, of course).

In my neck of the woods,if I have to choose between getting stuck in traffic for 10 minutes or wait for a bus to be late (if it shows) for a 2 hour roundtrip, I'll just get in my car.

Pagpag,

Your comment makes me feel self conscious as a mid 30s bachelor lol. After I got divorced…and kept the house I bought for us and our future family, I now live alone in a 3500sqft house.

It’s a god damn burden more than anything. There’s so much wasted space, and everything is more. More expensive to maintain, more expensive to heat and cool, and so much more to clean. Otherwise, I live a pretty modest life; cook, clean, and maintain everything solo.

I really just like my location and workshop. I’d be more than happy to have 800sqft living… the thing is that this house was cheap relatively speaking ($245k in 2017).

At this point, it would cost substantially more for me to downsize and move… I kinda feel trapped but more in an analysis paralysis way. So many variables and too many decisions.

digitalgadget,

My mom is in a similar situation. We all grew up and moved out of the 5 bedroom house, then Dad died and now she lives in it alone. She doesn't want all the space, but selling and buying a small home would actually not net her any profit and it's a huge hassle.

Suddenmoose,

Millennials were raised during a time of prosperity and possibilities

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah aha h ah ah ah

zoom zoom talkin out his ass like the 2000s were the golden gen

nymwit,

Still a millennial if you were born in early 80s. I'd say the 90s were a pretty golden time for a lot of the US.

keeb420,

yeah i was a kid in the 90s it was a great time to be a kid. everything after 2000 though weve been hosed repeatedly and told to enjoy it.

digitalgadget,

Yeah when I was like ten. By the time my generation was old enough to get jobs and start families, it all went to shit.

prole,

You should look up but definition of millennial. I am one, and I was very much alive during the 90s and early 00s (prior to 9/11 at least).

DarkGamer,
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I harbor no resent towards Gen X, but their refusal to fight the tide certainly didn't help.

@Ganondorf While growing up, GenX was vastly outnumbered by Greatest Generation, Silent Generation & Boomers. The stereotype is that they cynically opted out but I think a lot of that was because there were limited democratic options available and it was deeply frustrating to many.

It's really so sad and frustrating for those under the age of 45. Millennials were raised during a time of prosperity and possibilities, only to find out it was all a sham by the selfish, stupid and mostly older generations.

I share your frustration. The US is still the wealthiest country on earth by a large margin, with many possibilities if we can convince ourselves to share it equitably. We could make our systemic incentives virtuous rather than destructive. We don't need to squeeze everyone and reward bad actors to have abundance.

Redhotkurt,
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I harbor no resent towards Gen X, but their refusal to fight the tide certainly didn't help.

Not all of us were apathetic; there were many who tried to fight for what was considered really progressive ideas at the time, like fighting for equal rights and against climate change, but there weren't enough of us. We're a smaller generation anyway, didn't have a good way to make our voices heard since the internet was still in its infancy, and were turned into a punchline by the media. And everybody believed it. Slacker, freeloader, tree-hugger, JFC it's no wonder why nobody took us seriously. I mean, frick, in the 90s everyone got their news from four network channels and a few cable channels on tv, so America believed the hype and largely wrote us off.

We tried, man. We did the absolute best we could with a shitty situation, and it stings to think about how we weren't able to accomplish more in our youth. Please don't write us off as a useless apathetic generation, we've already been through that before. Besides, you're probably thinking of our parents, the Boomer generation (born 1945-1965). They aren't entirely to blame for the country's problems, but they held (still do in many ways) most of the power and chose to throw their support behind rich wealthy conservative assholes. Again, they don't deserve all the blame, but the sheer amount of Boomer shit contributions to society dwarfs what the worst of Gen X ever did.

plain_jane,

I feel like you’re doing Gen X a huge disservice here. Like there’s a chunk of history you’re not familiar with.

Gen X was the first generation to go to college only to come out saddled with debt and only “mcjobs” to show for it. We graduated into NAFTA and globalisation.

There were some hardcore protests, movements, and mobilisations around the issues that matter… Economy, environment, women’s rights, employee rights, animal welfare rights, etc.

It has very obviously continued to deteriorate, but I’ll admit there was optimism because we did see some gains and some promise… I can’t remember the last time I felt any optimism about this world.

I feel horrible for the younger generations.

prole,

When did we fail going forward? As humanity, I mean.

The moment we invented religion and became OK with believing extreme claims with zero evidence.

FaceDeer,
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When did we fail going forward? As humanity, I mean.

There have always been people who opposed progress for various reasons, and sometimes their reasons were understandable and even forgivable. Nobody can care about everything at once in equal measure and sometimes the safest default is "let's not rock the boat when things seem to be going well."

There's one current obstacle to progress that I have a harder time forgiving, though. Every time there's discussion of the possibility of doing some research into geoengineering as a means to counteract climate change a whole pile of people come out with "but that will only encourage more burning of fossil fuels" and "haven't you seen Snowpiercer?" counterarguments. It's wearying. The same people usually love the "we've passed an irreversible tipping point" articles that go on about how doomed we all are and how futile any further attempts to reverse climate change are.

If they really think we're doomed and nothing more can be done, then get out of the way of the people who are still trying to come up with solutions. A generation ago the same problem prevented nuclear power from being a useful solution.

jubilationtcornpone,

What’s sad is nuclear power is still a useful solution. It’s not a perfect solution. Not by a long shot. But as far as non-renewable power sources go, nuclear is by far the most efficient. Yet today the US has virtually no nuclear power development going on.

FaceDeer,
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Well, I sort of push nuclear power back from the "useful solution" slot at this point in history because now the problem is no longer preventing global temperatures from rising - that's a done deal now. Drastically cutting our carbon dioxide emissions are still a good idea but no longer all that's necessary any more. Plus solar and wind power are really coming into their own, so nuclear's good but no longer the only game in town on that front either.

I fear that eventually geoengineering will have been put off for so long that we'll be in a situation where "yeah, reducing global temperatures would be nice, but vast regions of farmland already turned to desert so the real problem we're facing these days is how to rapidly spin up new farmland and that old problem of lowering global temperatures is no longer all that's necessary any more. Maybe if we'd seriously investigated doing it back in the 2020s it would have made a difference then."

Midnitte,
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Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

thbb,

Just don't believe this is anything new. Back in time, people used to seriously believe in faeries, trolls, deamons, angels and other supernatural phenomena.

That's how you could lead people to carry holy wars and consider serfdom and slavery as natural order of things.

Back in the 80's, I remember a report from an ethnologist going to Nepal and meeting people who seriously believed that Russians had goat feet.

If anything, the internet has revealed the credulity of the general population, and provides means to fight and contain superstitions of various kinds.

I'm an optimist.

Curious_Canid, in The revolt against reality: Harassment of scientists is escalating
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Scientists are bearing the brunt of this, but it is very much everyone’s problem. The people being harassed are doing things we urgently need them to do. That includes things like warning us about about immediate dangers, telling us what precautions we need to take, and doing research that could lead to workarounds and solutions to the problems themselves.

We need to speak against this. We need to act against this. And we need to change the system to provide protections and remedies. Otherwise we are all going to suffer.

dismalnow,
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Speaking does not stop those who are willing to harass and intimidate those who are working to improve our world. They cannot be reasoned with because they are categorically unreasonable.

I will leave what actually DOES work to your imagination. Cowards are cowardly.

Curious_Canid,
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I think you underestimate the degree to which they are cowardly. They gain confidence from superior numbers, but one-on-one, or crowd vs crowd, a lot of them can be put off by speech or other non-violent means. I think that deep down a lot of them know what they are doing is wrong, even though they tell themselves otherwise.

Non-violent resistance has a long history and has often been effective. As an example, the fight for civil rights was not won because the progressives usually managed to beat up the racists. The progressives were largely non-violent. The racists were routinely violent, but they still lost.

It takes a lot of bravery to oppose someone who may try to hurt you. Some of us will get hurt. It shouldn’t be necessary, but if we want this to stop we will have to take some risks. (There’s nothing wrong with avoiding high-risk situations, but some risk is necessary.)

Personally, I am also okay with defending yourself if you are attacked. Non-violence is always better, but I doubt I could remain passive if faced with physical violence.

dismalnow,
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All of your points are absolutely valid because it's definitely difficult to find the gumption to stand in the way of raucous bastard.

Once you find it, it just becomes a righteous way to become the raucous bastard.

Dont get me wrong, I'm no billy badass that goes looking for trouble, but SOMEBODY has to do it - and after the first guy does it, you'd be surprised how many somebodies will help.

I love chaos, and will gladly spend the night in jail, or a couple weeks in a cast to cause the people who inflict fear to become fearful. It's the only way they learn.

CoderKat, in A very short survey on attitudes towards biological immortality
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I filled it out, but let's discuss in the comments because filling out a one sided form isn't as fun as being able to have a multi sided discussion.

I personally find biological immortality super appealing. Despite the word "immortality" in it, it actually just means you can live as long as you want, which takes away many of the downsides to immortality that often get discussed. Since I'm not religious, I don't believe in any kind of afterlife, so scientific advancement letting me live longer is the only way I can avoid death (which I'm afraid of). And more than just avoiding death, I want to avoid being a frail senior whose quality of life is severely diminished.

That said, for me, I ranked the positive advancements with the disease prevention, medical advancement, and QoL above simply extending human life. I think these all do of course go hand in hand. But fewer people dying young is better than fewer people dying old. Dying young is really tragic, because there's so much of life you won't have experienced. Similarly, the big issue with growing old is age related diseases, which impact your quality of life. At a certain point, Alzheimer's and dementia seem worse than death. I feel conflicted because I don't want to die but if I had a disease like one of those, it seems like I'd no longer be myself and it's unlikely there's any hope for recovery before the disease eventually kills me. There's also the fear that perhaps I would be myself, but feel trapped inside a body, constantly confused and afraid by what's going on, which sounds horrible.

On the negative impact side, by far my biggest concern is imbalance in access to this immortality. My fear is that regular folks (including myself) won't have access but billionaires will. That's worse than not having immortality, since billionaires are generally terrible people and not who we want living longer. Overpopulation is a bit of a concern, but one that I think we can eventually solve. e.g., with social changes to expectations about having kids, automation improvements to reduce our need for people to work, and eventually moving beyond just living on the surface of earth. Wealthy nations already have a declining birth rate, anyway. As well, I'm a bit skeptical about true biological immortality, as opposed to, say, extending life on earth for a good chunk of time, but eventually moving to a digital afterlife, where overpopulation is less of a concern.

I didn't know how to answer the regulation question. I think most things need some level of regulation, but the options were "strict regulation" vs "unrestricted", neither which sound right to me. As well, regulation would likely be completely situational. e.g., obviously safety is a vital part of any form of medical treatment. We shouldn't be reducing any existing regulation there. But I certainly don't want research into the area to be unnecessarily held back. For a large part, I see this as no different from researching a cure for any other disease. Aging can be viewed as a disease.

Meticulotron,

Also super appealing. Achieving this advancement will be our first step in exploring the universe. Seeing as we've as yet found no others, it falls on us to become the "precursors"

The prospect of getting older - now that I'm older - and running out of time, ability or mental sharpness has had a negative impact on me in the last couple years.
There are so many things I still want to do, try, and create. Some of which I have a lot of regrets that I haven't done yet. Some of which I fear I've grown too old to accomplish.

I'd really like to live a lot longer. Now, fear of death, running out of time and my body and mind degrading have established a firm purchase on part of my mind.

What I'd love to be able to do is survive the trip to another planet and spend a couple decades researching and exploring the local flora/fauna.

I agree that billionaires will own it but... advanced tools like the crispr are available to almost anyone today and as science progress is posted and talked about, I think there will be a lot of people that can duplicate the work.

ThunderingJerboa, (edited )
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A negative impact I think you lightly touched upon but want to further expand upon is how will this affect social change in this country. Like lets imagine we go back and say somehow we as humanity discovery this biological immortality around 1886ish (this is going to be very Americancentric) and again lets abstract this and say its given to everyone even though that is unrealistic. I don't think we as a society would have made much progress in terms of rights for women and minorities if we had the lead weight of these god damn fossils outdated view points (their children sort of prove that with the whole bullshit of the daughters of the confederacy and the impact they had in the last 100 years). Hell that is a problem even in the modern world, where our politicians are ancient people in their bloody 50-70s, like congress' median age is 58, some of the most active voters are also the elderly. So we see this problem in the current world and it will only get worse if people had immortality. This doesn't even talk about the idea of the impact this will have on the economy, the idea of retiring is already a foreign concept to many people in this modern world and once again this problem gets worse with immortality since you are literally going to be forced to work till you die.

Like immortality is cool as a concept when its only given to you and a few people you want to select but it gets bloody messy once its a thing that can be handed out willy nilly. It can apply to many concepts like the idea that humans no longer have to sleep, bloody awesome when its only a select few people but once its the norm and seen as the standard it will affect so many different aspects of life. "Well you don't have to sleep Johnson so work for 16 hours or you will get shitcanned because I will find someone who will!".

Meticulotron,

The change has already begun. Today in conversations about how it will impact us and tomorrow how we'll actually deal with it but I believe it's arrival is imminent.

We have to see beyond our current problems. Look further down the road.

Social upheaval and massive changes, absolutely. Something comes after that though. An immortal being would seem to be far more concerned about the world we live in than a recent news station saying something like "why take care of the earth when we have heaven?"

You do have a great point about those fossils and outdated viewpoints but it's a massive generational social construct built off of generations of life existing in the way it has for millions of years. It is changing in more ways than just immortality though. We're already on the bleeding edge of replacing people with AI (wendys drive through) and it will grow.

Put it all together and you have robot/ai workers to fill most of the slots people currently work along with immortality, advances in every field of science... So much is changing so fast. Faster than it's ever changed.

Ok, I apologize for my jumbled not very connected or well thought out response but my imagination is over caffeinated.

CoderKat,
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Agree. I added something like that in the "other negatives" box. There's that saying, society advances one funeral at a time.

I like to think that myself, I'm very good at being open minded and adapting to the times (though honestly only time will tell). But I know many people don't do that. This is clearly evident in electoral polling as well as polls for social issues (eg, US 2023 support for same sex marriage is 89% among 18-29 but only 60% among 65 and older).

Perhaps social changes could help with this problem. Clearly older folks can still change because the stat I just quoted was far worse in the not too distant past. Maybe our problems are with how we run news media or how we basically write off old folks as unlikely to change. Maybe it's because our society focuses on education being something you only do when young and you're never really expected to go back to school after that. Maybe we need to better teach empathy from a young age? Maybe us losing religion will make the biggest difference.

Maybe we don't deserve this kinda advancement yet. To quote one of my favourite parts from the show The Orville:

Technology and societal ethics have to progress hand in hand, each one supporting the other incrementally. Anything else is begging for disaster.

  • a member of an advanced, "space communism" version of humanity, talking to someone whose species has not yet advanced to the same point and wondering why they don't share their advanced tech with less advanced people.
HipHoboHarold,
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The medical side to things is definitely a huge step up. On a personal side, I think it would be cool to be able to actually witness history as it's being made. Sure, we already are, but there's going to be so much more. I'm a big fan of horror, and one discussion I've has more than once with people is "Would you become a vampire if given the chance?" And while the whole drinking blood thing is a turn off, there is the idea of getting to see humanity evolve. If anything, I almost would rather have had that option earlier. Getting to see everything from the mid 1800s to now would be perfect. But they say there's no better time than the present, so I guess if given the chance, I would actually consider going the immortal route to see everything.

But the whole financial factor is also the big thing that makes me really question if I could support it. We are already seeing how fucked capitalism can be. And since it would likely only be for the rich for awhile, it would mean they can just take even longer to set up a world for them even more than it already is. Eventually they might start to offer it to us, but it would be more so for working purposes. Line Bezos will provide it to people for free... as long as they work for him. But once they quit, they no longer have it available. So either work 60 hours a week minimum for Amazon, or you don't get to be immortal.

Hobovision,
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I agree there's a lot of interesting things to discuss about this topic. It can hardly be contained in a short survey like this.

For the additional thoughts I put:
Positive: Selfish human thinking restricts most people to considering only how their actions will impact the world within their lifetime. The potential for living hundreds or thousands of years could allow people to think more long term about their actions. Very few things are persued in the 50-year time span, let alone planning for something that could take 200 years.
Negative: People may be much less willing to take risks. If the only things that can kill you are possible to avoid entirely, wouldn't you?

I hadn't considered how bad the unequal access could be in the way that you talked about. I was thinking it would be one of those things like advanced cancer treatments, for example, that the mega-rich get access to when it is first developed and then within a few years to decades it becomes the standard of care. What I didn't consider is that whatever the breakthrough is that allows immortality may need to be near-constantly applied for it to work. Almost like a potion of immortality that lasts only weeks. Even if the cost of the treatment is lowered very quickly it's not likely it will be something as simple as insulin for treating diabetes or aspirin for treating blood pressure. It could take decades for it to become affordable for the upper class and may never become economical to give to everyone. Having a class of people who die of old age and a class who doesn't is some super dystopian cyberpunk type shit.

LeafyPasserine, in Improving soil could keep world within 1.5C heating target, research suggests
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Ooh, fun fact! Did you know the It Ain't Much But It's Honest Work meme guy was a proponent of no till farming and was a leader in the movement advocating for and utilizing the farming practices suggested in this article?

Dave Brandt passed away in May this year, but his honest work? It meant so much.

NegativeLookBehind, in Woman’s mystery illness turns out to be 3-inch snake parasite in her brain
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I’m tired of these MF snake parasites

On this MFn brain

Pons_Aelius, in 'Unbelievable': Astronomer Claims 'Direct Evidence' of Gravity Breaking Down

Direct link to the published paper.

TLDR: They are looking at distant binaries.

(Distant Binaries orbit many astronomical units from each other, Alpha Centauri A+B, are a distant binary system)

The orbital data for these systems shows a lot of variance that should not be there. One issue is there could be a third (or even forth) smaller star (brown dwarf) also present but undetectable that is causing the errors.

The research team tried to eliminate the possibility of these bodies causing the observed errors in the two body data.

They have found there is still something else happening even when this is done.

This has been published in a very respected journal so it will be interesting to see where this leads.

BoCanCan, in Hopes Dashed As LK-99 Confirmed Not To Be A Room-Temperature Superconductor

This will probably be the outcome but it’s way too early to be making this claim as fact. The article references one lab in China that found no SC. Meanwhile there’s a different lab in China claiming that there is SC.

The material is non-uniform and different crystal structures within the material are expected to have vastly different properties. The original paper was (suspiciously) vague about exactly how to create the material and different labs are following different steps to synthesize it. So it’s expected that they may get different results.

The original samples that inspired the paper have been sent to other labs for testing, those results should give us the final answer.

elscallr,

That sounds like there's maybe variables not taken into consideration.

Tbh that's the hopium speaking but I've taken a big dose of it.

Midnitte,
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Arstechnica has a great writeup here. Seems like the process is just so variable that recreating the exact substance will be very difficult, even if the original sample is confirmed - akin to Flash's speed force experiment, or Steve Roger's super serum.

FaceDeer,
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Indeed, this kind of reaction has driven me to unsubscribe from the specifically LK-99-related subreddits and forums that have cropped up. "These guys tried reproing it, and they failed, so that's it, game over. We can forget all about this stuff now." Or even worse, "this one guy made a deliberately fraudulent video, so all of the news about LK-99 can be dismissed as fake now."

This is exactly the inverse of what skeptics keep cautioning against. There are plenty of ways to fail to make superconductors, finding a new one of those doesn't tell us much. All it takes is for one lab to figure out a reliable way to make them and all the failures in the world can't overcome that.

Patience.

Itty53,
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Yeah this all smacks hard of a con then. You don't publish except to get replication. That's the entire point.

Publishing while being intentionally vague about replication is a huge red flag.

Rodeo, in Scientists make eye-opening discovery in deep sea caves

There are caves networks beneath the ocean floor made from hydrothermal vents, and tubeworms use them to migrate.

smallaubergine,

THANK YOU. Even if the content is very interesting, I hate click-bait headlines.

troyunrau, in Meat allergy from tick bites is on the rise—and US doctors are in the dark
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Interesting read. A few years ago I developed, seemingly overnight, an intolerance for red meat. Which sucked cause I really like it. But I developed it while working in the arctic, where there are no ticks (but like trillions of other biting insects). Doctors just did the usual rotation of antibiotics and then said IBS and patted themselves on the back. It was a terrible cop-out, but when living in the arctic you don’t get much choice for doctors. Over time the problem largely tapered off and I’m no longer a firehose an hour after eating meat. I feel for anyone who gets this.

I’m hoping that AI really helps within the field of medicine. Doctors cannot be expected to know every possible cause of every illness – they’re human after all. But I’m hoping that the weird stuff can be detected and at least diagnosed properly.

I’m so mad at Elizabeth Holmes. Any startup in this space will face such an uphill battle.

over_clox,

I feel for you and anyone suffering with a meat allergy, but I dunno how much I’d trust AI for any serious purposes after seeing the garbage it can spit out.

Seriously, I’ve managed to get AI to write me instructions on how to inflate a phone and how to shave alligator hair. Rather that say “I’m sorry, that doesn’t make any sense, but here are some related topics”, instead it literally wrote out actual instructions for that nonsense LOL!

So yeah, I have no reason to trust AI for anything serious, it’s about an ignorant joke of a language model is all it really adds up to.

wahming,

In a use case like this, AI would be less about a final diagnose and more about getting the doctor or patient pointed in the right direction, especially with rare cases that few doctors are aware of. You no longer need to visit a hundred specialists in the hope of finding the one person who's seen something similar to your case before.

ThePantser,
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Agree in this case AI is just WebMD symptom checker but with the ability to take in infinite data points and narrow it down with prompting questions and hopefully being able to upload images for further diagnosis.

Empyreus,

That’s specifically for a LLM which would probably not be the best AI base for medical uses.

apemint,
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People still don't understand that AI is an all encompassing term like "tool" and not a single thing.

Just like we use thousands of vastly different and specialized tools, in a decade we'll be surrounded by medical AI, engineering AI, accounting AI, design AI, research AI, life coaching AI, etc.

Right now we have a few LLMs and generative AIs, but that's like having a pen and a spray gun.
Of course you wouldn't ask any of them for a medical diagnosis.

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, I’m not talking about a language model AI. But rather something like the stuff the insurance companies are using to assess risk – they take a lot of data in and cluster them together. Humans are sometimes really bad at recognizing patterns if you don’t have enough data. A pattern that goes: “oh, all these people in this region with this specific digestive problem spatially maps to this insect” is the sort of thing ML should be good at. But where it will be really good is in turning proteins into diagnosis: “if this protein is detected in the blood in an general scan, combined with symptoms, then diagnose X” – right now you only get tested for the things the doctor orders. Even more promising yet: with enough data, the AI should figure out which proteins actually do specific functions in the body, which will advance the research side (see, for example, Alphafold).

conciselyverbose,

Pattern recognition is something modern techniques are very good at.

ChatGPT isn't that. It also isn't intelligent and doesn't know anything. It's basically a jacked up parrot blindly throwing words together.

Smoogy, (edited )

you should see what the eczema community put up with. Essentially it’s a community of just talking each other out of committing suicide because of how much pain they live with every day and the entire medical industry has failed them so miserably by dismissing them.

“Try the elimination diet” is the best they are given with absolutely no “why” or extension to find a better solution to allergies than either avoid the triggers (if you’re even lucky enough to find out what they are) or try a life threatening injection if your allergy gets severe.

Then you have the celiac community and what they have to put up with doctors: “eat gluten for 3 weeks without killing yourself so I can diagnose that you actually are intolerant to gluten”. The community has lovingly referred to this now as “the gluten challenge”….. which the medical community went as far as to take offence to the name. I wish empathy was taught as part of the curriculum for being a doctor.

wahming,

I had mysterious rash outbreaks for half a year... I shudder to imagine a lifetime of something worse.

DaSaw,

Eczema: For years I was dependent on prescription topical steroids. Then I tried giving up soap. I no longer suffer from eczema.

Briefly went back to using soap during COVID. Had a flare-up within a week. Haven’t used soap since, except in the rare occasion I have something specific on my hands (machine grease or something) I want to get off.

klenow,

I work in drug development, and have done a lot of work in topical drug development, specifically for skin diseases. Psoriasis gets most of the attention, but there's a lot of work being done on other skin diseases, as well

"Eczema" is kind of a catch-all term for a group of diseases, which is one of the reasons treatment is so difficult. One kind is often mistaken for (or even indistinguishable from) another. The most common, though, is atopic dermatitis (which is hilarious when you look up the etymology).

So that said.... Have you tried JAK inhibitors? Ruxolitinib is one of the best ones, formulated as a cream called Opzelura. It's at least good for flare ups.

Unfortunately, there aren't really any good drugs for preventing it. If you want company on that one, talk to the asthma community.

But.... There is work being done. I've worked on it. I've had companies spend millions on the work. I haven't seen anything very promising, but maybe you can take some comfort that there are frustrated scientists working on it, and pharma companies poised to take all of your money once something is found.

admiralteal, in Evidence indicates the presence of organic molecules in multiple rock samples on Mars

For anyone uncertain of terminology, "organic" does not mean or even necessarily imply life.

For example, "organic" molecules -- tholins -- are the reason Pluto's got red on it, and there's pretty close to zero speculation of life out there. In Pluto's case, they form just from UV interactions with methane. Both methane and the tholins produced from it are fairly abundant in our solar system out past the sun's frost band.

What this does indicate is even more evidence that Mars at least has at some point been a place suitable for life. These are among the ingredients you need to make a big old bowl of primordial soup.

CrazyDuck, in Southern US Reaches Dangerous "Wet Bulb Temperature". Here's What That Means

As long as all the air-conditioning is chugging along, most people won’t even notice. Thank god the texan electric grid is stable enough to never cut out. Wait…

zlatiah,
@zlatiah@kbin.social avatar

Oh god don't even mention it... I was already afraid it would break down last year (when we didn't have this extreme heat). I'm planning to leave Texas as early as possibly can partly because of all this craziness, meanwhile some of my coworkers don't even notice what kinds of nightmarish scenario is happening down here

Whirlgirl9,
@Whirlgirl9@kbin.social avatar

My power just went out again. It has failed 3 times in the last 2 weeks. I'm in Houston. The storm that blew through took me out for 3 1/2 day. A week later another storm downed us for 3 hours and now I'm typing this in my powerless house once again. I heard a pop this time so I'm assuming it's a transformer. Centex says it will be back in a few hours. The only reason I'm still in this sh*t hole state is because my husband's parents are here. Thank God I have an appt with a generator company tomorrow. Eff this state in the A

MisterD,

I thought the piss baby would have banned global warming in Texas by now.

JBloodthorn, in Muometric navigation system - GPS alternative that penetrates underground, indoors, and underwater
@JBloodthorn@kbin.social avatar

Neato. Soon we might be able to muon from gps.

AmidFuror,

What a quarky comment!

LiveLaughLoveRevenge, in The Myth of Man the Hunter: Women’s contribution to the hunt across ethnographic contexts

This is why everything you hear from pop-evolution theories in sociology is likely bs.

“Women like shopping because they used to be gatherers” or other such garbage.

It’s all trying to simplify human behaviour based on half-baked knowledge of the past, and to pass it off as scientific insight. It’s not much different than the pseudoscience used to fuel racism 100 years ago.

Human behaviour is complex. And even though our societies are more complex now than 10000 years ago, it doesn’t mean people back then were simple.

LostCause, (edited ) in Why ecosystem collapses may occur much sooner than expected

Since we’re all here looking at yet another terrifying headline. I have a huge grudge for companies who force people into the office. It‘s unnecessary!! There should be a legislation in all countries ASAP to give workers a right to WFH they can enforce on the company!

We have seen with the pandemic it‘s possible and would free a lot of people from this pathologic need for a car and yet the companies owners and paid for politicians are dragging their feet to save their fucking "office real estate investments" or other bullshit reasons that all amount to control. Elon fucking Musk personally pisses me off the most, cause he pretended to care about the climate to sell cars and then is the absolute worst about this calling WFH "not real work", also to sell cars.

Don‘t even get me started on their private jets and pleasure yachts, all this unnecessary bullshit, there is already a first class the rich assholes can sit down in with extra space, they don‘t need their own plane!!

Assholes like that should be shamed everywhere they go for daring to do something so damaging while also forcing people to rely on cars cause of the hostile infrastructure and hostile work environments they created!

Governments are so good at making up crimes out of nowhere, see how effective they are at fucking over trans people for something as innocent as changing their own gender, maybe use that power for good for ONCE and criminalise environmental damage??

Sodis,

The amount of anti-WFH propaganda in recent times is completely ridiculous. All just to protect their books from falling office real estate prices.

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