I firmly believe AI will replace managers before it replaces engineers.

@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

Don’t forget that GPT4 was getting dumber the more it learned from people.


These morons are probably going to train AI wrong so job security for the next 100 years.


What is the joke here?


Nobody else can see the files on your c:\ drive. Designing a “website” means little if you don’t have a place to host it


Idk, there’s a lot of people who have jobs designing websites without a place to host it. Shoot, people get paid to design an image of a website.


This sort of thing worked in the '90s. Many of the security restrictions in browsers these days means it doesn’t consider the local file to be actually local, and you have to host from some kind of server. There are mini servers that are trivial to spin up, like SimpleHTTPServer on Python.


Is it OK if I put them in D:\ 😂😂😂


Gotta be on the internet drive, I:\


User claims to have made a website using chatgpt, putting programmers out of their jobs. However, it’s revealed user knows next to nothing about making that website accessible for others, as revealed from the last line. User sent a local link (that works for their own computer only) to their friend (which naturally shouldn’t work).

@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

The joke is it’s an iMessage chat and they are sending a Windows path which doesn’t make sense for iOS or Mac, the only two operating systems that support iMessage.


On a more serious note, ChatGPT, ironically, does suck at webdev frontend. The one task that pretty much everyone agrees could be done by a monkey (given enough time) is the one it doesn’t understand at all.


The one task that pretty much everyone agrees could be done by a monkey

A phrase commonly uttered about web dev by mediocre programmers who spend 99% of the time writing the same copy-paste spring boot mid-tier code


Right, the pretty little button needs more shadows


I am astonished at your ignorance and your arrogance


I still have nightmares dealing with a11y requirements


Same but it’s very important


most of the websites are bloated and shit. Webdev is shit upon because they write code that can’t work 4 months without needing a rewrite


A good chunk of that has to do with trackers and ads. Things forced on webdevs by management.

Not that webdevs couldn’t improve anything otherwise; there are certainly optimizations to be had. But pop open the dev network panel on your browser, clear cache, and refresh the page. A lot of the holdup and dancing elements you’ll see are from third party trackers and ads.


I agree, and in addition to way too many trackers and advertisements clogging up the page, this is also due to the time, effort, and knowledge not being provided to write performant and compliant code, which should be important given the infinite possibilities of client machines. This can be worsened by only having full stack developers who aren’t knowledgeable in web dev (especially CSS) or by sacrificing performance for trendy javascript-bloated design features


You do of course realize that you just said that the problem with the modern web is that webdev can be and far too often is done by monkeys?

I agree that there is a vast difference, even from an end user’s perspective, between a good web developer and a bad one, but the fact remains that the bar for calling oneself a web dev is appallingly low and ChatGPT nevertheless fails to clear it


I suppose you could see it like that, but I’m saying it can’t be done by “monkeys”, and the pervasive notion that it can has led to broken websites across the Internet


I think I see what you mean. Many a very competent backend dev (and many more a kid in their bedroom with zero programming experience) has thought to themselves “how hard can webdev possibly be?” and blindly stumbled through making a website that looks fine on their machine without bothering to understand what the various CSS units do and turning it into an utter monstrosity if you even slightly change the size of the browser window, and the web suffers for it.

As a primarily backend dev myself who’s tried my hand at web once or twice, I still think that web developers are by far the most pampered in the industry when it comes to development tools (I can change CSS parameters with sliders right in my browser, see the page update in real time, and when I’m done I can just export the modified .css file to disk and upload it directly to my server with zero touchup to make my changes live? Are you KIDDING ME?) but I also think it’s important to treat the practice with the respect it deserves. By that I mean taking the time to learn the languages, read through MDN’s excellent documentation, and take the time to fully understand what each CSS parameter actually does instead of trial-and-erroring your way into something that only works for you. The same thing you’d do if you were learning any new programming language. Once you do that, apart from a few hiccups due to browser inconsistencies (any time Safari would like to stop eating glue I’d appreciate it) and having to come up with something that looks good in portrait, and get past a metric f**k ton of googling and memorizing the minute differences between dozens of very similar parameters, it’s some of the most fun I’ve had as a programmer. I love being able to just go “I want a bunch of circles at the top of my page that bounce up and down in sequence.” “Sure, give me two minutes.” I’d stress about that for days in any other environment. Why didn’t anyone tell me it could BE like this?

@httpjames@sh.itjust.works avatar

GPT 4 Turbo is actually much better than GPT 3.5 and 4 for coding. It has a way better understanding of design now.

@poopsmith@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think it’s very useful at generating good code or answering anything about most libraries, but I’ve found it to be helpful answering specific JS/TS questions.

The MDN version is also pretty great too. I’ve never done a Firefox extension before and MDN Plus was surprisingly helpful at explaining the limitations on mobile. Only downside is it’s limited to 5 free prompts/day.

@cows_are_underrated@feddit.de avatar

Chat gpt is also great if you have problems with Linux. It is my nr 1 trouble shooting tool.


Bruh this cracked me up

@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

Bruh good to hear bruh, bruh


Wow, there is a lot of pearl-clutching and gatekeeping ITT. It’s delicious!


Engineering is about trust. In all other and generally more formalized engineering disciplines, the actual job of an engineer is to provide confidence that something works. Software engineering may employ fewer people because the tools are better and make people much more productive, but until everyone else trusts the computer more, the job will exist.

If the world trusts AI over engineers then the fact that you don’t have a job will be moot.


Very interesting point. Probably the most pressing problem then is to find a way for the black box to be formally verified and the role of AI engineers shifts to keeping the CI\CD green.


People don’t have anywhere near enough knowledge of how things work to make their choices based on trust. People aren’t getting on the subway because they trust the engineers did a good job; they’re doing it because it’s what they can afford and they need to get to work.

Similarly, people aren’t using Reddit or Adobe or choosing their cars firmware based on trust. People choose what is affordable and convenient.


What’s being discussed here is the hiring of engineers rather than consumer choices. Hiring an engineer is absolutely an expression of trust. The business trusts that the engineer will be able to concretely realize abstract business goals, and that they will be able to troubleshoot any deviations.

AI writing code is one thing, but intuitively trusting that an AI will figure out what you want for you and keep things running is a long way off.


In civil engineering public works are certified by an engineer; its literally them saying if this fails i am at fault. The public is trusting the engineer to say its safe.


Yeah, people may not know that the subway is safe because of engineering practices, but if there was a major malfunction, potentially involving injuries or loss of life, every other day, they would know, and I’m sure they would think twice about using it.


In my hometown there’s two types of public transit: municipal and commercial. I was surprised to learn that a lot of folk, even the younger ones, only travel by former, even though the commercials are a lot faster, frequent and more comfortable. When asked why, the answer is the same: If anything happens on municipal transport - you can sue the transport company and even the city itself. If anything happens on a commercial line - there’s only a migrant driver and “Individual Enterpreneur John Doe” with a few leased buses to his name. Trust definitely plays a factor here, but you’re right that it’s definitely not based on technical knowledge.


As someone who works on the city side of development review, I can firmly say I’ll trust a puppy alone with my dinner than a Civil Engineer.


Are civil engineers known to eat off people’s plates?


Think they confused it with uncivil engineers

CanadaPlus, (edited )

Hmm. I’ve never thought about it that way. It took a long time for engineering to become that way IIRC - in the past anybody could build a bridge. The main obstacle to this, then, is that people might be a bit too risk-tolerant around AI at first. Hopefully this is where it ends up going, though.


It’s more thrust than trust.


Might be about time for testers to start cr4pping their pants tho.


Tbf I don’t really wanna do ops work. I barely even wanna do DevOps. Let me just dev

@BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Me too 😭
I don’t want to “kubectl”, I want to " make" 😭


so write a Makefile that calls kubectl!


You don’t need to convince the devs, you need to convince the managers.




I predict that, within the year, AI will be doing 100% of the development work that isn’t total and utter bullshit pain-in-the-ass complexity, layered on obfuscations, composed of needlessly complex bullshit.

That’s right, within a year, AI will be doing .001% of programming tasks.

@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Big companies will take 5 years just to get there.


Can we just get it to attend meetings for us?


Legitimately could be a use case

“Attend this meeting for me. If anyone asks, claim that your camera and microphone aren’t working. After the meeting, condense the important information into one paragraph and email it to me.”


Here is a summary of the most important information from that meeting. Since there were two major topics, I’ve separated them into two paragraphs.

  1. It is a good morning today.
  2. Everyone is thanked for their time. Richard is looking forward to next week’s meeting.

The rest of the information was deemed irrelevant to you and your position.


Holy cow! You’ve done it! You could wrap this (static text block) in a web API and sell it.

Edit: /s, I guess. But that text really is easily an 80% solution for meeting summaries.


Hell yes! I’ll join the front of the hype train if they can demo an AI fielding questions while a project manager reviews a card wall.


Y’know… that seems reasonable. I’d place my bet that there’d be something good enough in only a few years. (Text only, I’d bet)


Fellow freelancer, I see.

@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“look i registered my own domain name all by myself!”

the domain: “localhost”


I’m an elite hacker and I grabbed your IP address from this post. It’s just so you know I’m not bluffing.


Heheh I’m ddossing them right now. Unfortunately the computer I’m doing it on is having a few connection issues


That gave me a nice chuckle lmao

@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I’m afraid you need to turn it off and on again

@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

Dude, you need to use the broadcast address.


Haha punk it’s actually you dun goofed


Sorry to doxx you but I know that’s just an alias address. Your real IP is

Threeme2189, (edited )

He’s going through a VNC obfuscation layer. His real IP address is


Shaking my smh stop trying to sound like a hacker, VNC is for watching videos

@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

Nah bro I’m the haxkdder nemad 4chan and I dox u vip asdres it


int ipadress = unhappy_grapefruit2.hacked();

@p5f20w18k@lemmy.world avatar

lol that’s not my ip, you’re like 6 numbers off


I’m an elite FBI KGB K-unit traffic guard. You dun goofed with your silly hacking attempts as I’ve traced your IP back to ::1. Prepare to get your ass counter-hacked


Wow, these new TLDs are terrible! ICANN has really lost it this time!


I think the correct response is “Wow. Has your mom seen it? Send her the link.”


This is so evil I love it

@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

why? wouldn’t she simply be unable to open it too?


If it’s on the same device, it would open a page showing her what is in the downloads folder of his user. I think the joke is he might have something embarrassing there, but I wouldn’t know since I only have things there when I’m downloading them and then immediately file them away to some actual hyperspecific folder

@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

why would they be on the same device? how can they be on the same device at the same time? also if she gets the full link it would only show her the html page, not the rest of the folder


I think it’s both?

  1. Send link to her but it doesn’t work because it’s only available on the local machine
  2. Show the website by first opening the downloads folder then clicking the website

You can bring your device to people. Most people use laptops now instead of desktops


The joke is that ben’s mom will ask him how to open it. Ben thinks that it is possible, ben will have a bad time.


The only thing ChatGPT etc. is useful for, in every language, is to get ideas on how to solve a problem, in an area you don’t know anything about.

ChatGPT, how can I do xy in C++?
You can use the library ab, like …

That’s where I usually search for the library and check the docs if it’s actually possible to do it this way. And often, it’s not.


Yeah, it’s amazing at showing you the idiomatic way to do really specific, narrow-scoped things in a language you’re not familiar with… except for when it’s wrong.


It’s good at refactoring smaller bits of code. The longer the input, the more likely it is to make errors (and you should prefer to start a new chat than continue a long chat for the same reason). It’s also pretty good at translating code to other languages (e.g. MySQL->PG, Python->C#), reading OpenAPI json definitions and creating model classes to match, and stuff like that.

Basically, it’s pretty good when it doesn’t have to generate stuff that requires creating complex logic. If you ask it about tasks, languages, and libraries that it has likely trained a lot on (i.e. the most popular stuff in FOSS software and example repos), it doesn’t hallucinate libraries too much. And, GPT4 is a lot better than GPT3.5 at coding tasks. GPT3.5 is pretty bad. GPT4 is a bit better to Copilot as well.

@Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

I’ve found it great for tracking down specific things in libraries and databases I’m not terribly familiar with when I don’t know the exact term for them

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