PhlubbaDubba,

I just text my parents if I feel like they need to know where I’m at, worked for me from middle school all the way to me living independently today.

Like a phone’s location services can be turned on remotely if an emergency calls for it, but as long as I’m good with my family then the vast majority of the likelihood I’ll ever need to know where my kid is while they can’t communicate with me is null since like 80% of kidnappings are over custody battles or other related family disputes.

AphoticDev,
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

To clarify, the location service is turned on remotely during an emergency call or after texting an emergency number to let first responders know where an emergency is, but it is turned off afterwards by the phone if it was disabled beforehand. And it’s only turned on during the call that the user initiates, emergency services cannot remotely turn it on, because it is the phone that actually manages the permissions and computes the location and not the dispatcher. Neither Android nor iOS allows emergency services to remotely turn on location services without you calling them first, since that would be a violation of your privacy and would absolutely be abused by law enforcement.

So everyone should be advised that you cannot check the location of a loved one unless you arrange it before you end up needing it.

PhlubbaDubba,

Well yeah I meant being able to turn it on via family controls.

Just because I wouldn’t be using it personally save for an emergency doesn’t mean I wouldn’t rather my kid have it in the event of an emergency.

Of course they aren’t getting a phone period until they’re old enough that I feel comfortable they’re olden and wisen enough to let out of my sight for stuff other than school clubs and playdates.

sounddrill,

I’m ok with my parents knowing where I am at all times(frankly, they don’t care much about that which is good)

I’m not ok with meta knowing about it

Flax_vert,

Used to share my location with my dad until he kept sending me a McDonald’s order everytime I was at McDonald’s. Then turned it off, lol. My mum still has it.

AI_toothbrush,

Im fine with my parents knowing where i am the only problem is that i would also share my location with big daddy google and im not fine with that. And my parents are divorced so i wouldnt share it with my dad… Also it would drain my battery

lol,
@lol@lemy.lol avatar

I’m 18 and fine with my parents knowing where I am so we can coordinate mealtimes and stuff. I really don’t care for having a third party spy on me 24/7 though. We just Signal each other “I’m at xyz location, be back soon” and that’s plenty enough.

cheese_greater,

That sounds far more (and acceptably so in my view) stochastic tho, like, do they have on-demand “lets see where lol is right now even though I have zero need to know currently” or is it just like u verbally check-in when they Signal u?

lol,
@lol@lemy.lol avatar

We just verbally check in and I’m totally fine with saying where I am. I believe the important thing here is trust. If, hypothetically, we were able to set up something privacy-respecting that communicated my GPS location to my parents 24/7, I wouldn’t be a fan of it. It’d feel like my parents are monitoring me because they don’t trust me to be truthful about my whereabouts.

cheese_greater,

If you actually need to, u can “share” as like a thing to attach your actual GPS location in Signal, no different from sharing a pic or file or dictation

lol,
@lol@lemy.lol avatar

True but most of the time I don’t have GPS enabled anyway lol

cheese_greater,

Samesies! Just wish there was a quicker toggle than Settings > Privacy > Location etc

MasterBuilder,

rolls D-100 … I disbelieve!

echodot,

I never cared that my parents knew where he was because I was never trying to do anything particularly nefarious and my parents weren’t completely buttheads.

But this was pre mobile phone days (my first phone was a Nokia Ngage), so if I went out they wouldn’t be able to contact me in an emergency so it made sense to say oh I’m going to x house here is ther phone number. Now that mobile phones exist maybe that requirement no longer exists.

MasterBuilder,

That is a trust based transaction when parent asks where their child is going as well.

Putting tracking malware and using surveillance all the time is invasion of privacy, teaching the child that surveillance is okay, and completely lacking a trust relationship, which is bad within a family.

SuperSpruce,

I am Gen Z and I’m not fine with that. I chose to go to college far from where I grew up so that I would be independent and free and do stuff on my own accord, like buying a motorcycle.

Amazed,

Are Gen Z pro organ donation?

pedro,

Is that an argument against motorcycles?

Amazed,

Is what?

pedro,

What?

SuperSpruce,

I have an organ donor on my license. But I’m not trying to kill myself, I’m just following my heart.

It seems like fewer people in my generation have motorcycles because 1) we have less money (although you can save by replacing a car with one) than previous generations, and 2) the older generations constantly push the narrative that having a motorcycle is equivalent to having a death wish, which circles back to the point that they shouldn’t be spying on us all the time.

Jax,

You’re taking a line and putting it on the road against planes.

Follow your heart all you want, my math teacher in high-school had a motorcycle. Broke his collar bone, fractured his skull, broke his leg and had road rash. Much like smoking cigarettes, you’re allowed to take your life into your own hands. Don’t convince yourself that you’re somehow doing otherwise.

SuperSpruce,

I’m being as safe as I can. I’m ATGATT and I started on a beginner bike without much power.

Jax,

Listen, again, you can do whatever you want.

Do not pretend it isn’t dangerous. This behavior will be what turns you into someone like my math teacher.

GeekyNerdyNerd,

You sound so paranoid about safety I get the feeling you literally live in a suit of bubble-wrap. If they wanted your finger wagging they’d have asked you for it

Jax,

Sure buddy, you’ll never die.

GeekyNerdyNerd,

And you are talking like people who ride motorcycles have a 100% death toll. Which is demonstrably false.

I don’t ride them, I’m 29 morbidly obese and have a shit sense of balance. I just can’t stand people who try to spread fear based on personal trauma they experienced instead of being factual about the real dangers of the world.

Jax,

Personal trauma?

What makes you think learning from someone else’s stupid decisions qualifies as trauma? Oh, this must not be a lesson you learned growing up.

When you see someone do something stupid you go “no, I’m ok”, and your life is better for it.

You wanna die young, or cripple yourself? Go for it, be my guest. Don’t delude yourself into thinking it isn’t on the table because “not everyone who rides motorcycles dies”.

Great logic there. Very big brained.

GeekyNerdyNerd,

What makes you think learning from someone else’s stupid decisions qualifies as trauma?

I don’t. I think someone you care about dying in a motorcycle accident counts as personal trauma.

When you see someone do something stupid you go “no, I’m ok”, and your life is better for it.

See, this is what I mean. Motorcycle riding isn’t an inherently stupid thing, or at least no more stupid than driving a car or riding a bike. There is inherent danger in all forms of transportation. I don’t see you railing against the people driving two ton land torpedoes that we call “cars’ and killing people on motorcycles or those who walk.

Don’t delude yourself into thinking it isn’t on the table because “not everyone who rides motorcycles dies”.

The only one who suggested it.” isn’t on the table" is the strawman in your head

This is why I said you’ve got some personal trauma. You are insisting you don’t actually care about the safety of someone who you spent time out of your day to yell at for wanting to drive a motorcycle, then call anybody who says you are being excessive childish for not agreeing that motorcycles have a 100% injury and mortality rate and that the person who you supposedly don’t care about is doomed to end up like the teacher who supposedly isn’t a source of personal trauma for you

Edit to add: I’ll forgive your ad-homenins because it’s clear you need some therapy to overcome the death of that teacher you knew.

Jax,

You have brain damage. I don’t know if it’s from the obesity or something else, but I never said my teacher died.

I said he fucked himself up. Don’t weigh in on shit you don’t understand.

GeekyNerdyNerd,

Ok I’m done giving you the benefit of the doubt. You are an asshole… Please kindly go fuck yourself.

Jax,

No the asshole is the one acting like learning from others mistakes means you live in a safety bubble.

thanksforallthefish,

The plural of anecdote isnt data. I’ve been riding for 45 years and I’m still here.

Data shows the vast majority of 2 vehicle motorcycle accidents are the fault of the other vehicle

Jax,

Jesus christ, I don’t care what you risk your life doing.

Claiming that, somehow, riding isn’t dangerous or risky when it’s the other drivers on the road that are at fault is fucking brain damaged.

All it takes is one, and the rest of your life is fucked. I don’t give a shit what you decide is right for you. Genuinely.

Resistentialism,

There’s significantly less chance of getting fucked for life if yiu actually wear proper safety gear. Doesn’t stop the danger of others, though. But it can lower damage.

Jax,

That’s great, I’m glad you make these choices for yourself.

hansl,

The plural of anecdotes isn’t data. You not being fine with that doesn’t mean the majority aren’t.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

They never said the majority wasn’t.

elfin8er,

Exactly! I appreciate hearing about a different point of view.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Business Insider is straight AIDS

cheese_greater,

Hey, thats not very nice to AIDS, at least AIDS might be cureable someday and isn’t—I dunno, like—BusinessInsider.

LastoftheDinosaurs,
@LastoftheDinosaurs@lemmy.world avatar

Aren’t they like 30 now?

duncesplayed,

Not quite. By the most common definitions, they’re born between 1997 and 2012, so 10-26.

shani66,
@shani66@burggit.moe avatar

Scariest visual novel i ever played was about kids having their privacy personally violated (that is, not generic analytic data, but someone knowing that kid specifically was doing so and so) and just not caring about it.

0as16,

There are more secure location sharing apps out there that are end to end encrypted. My family uses Zood location www.zood.xyz when we are out and about and needing to coordinate our locations. It is handy to use sometimes but it doesn’t do all the spy stuff the other apps do.

derpgon,

I self-host Hauk, although I could not polish all the bugs myself, it works pretty well.

We have location sharing on 24/7, it was consensual on both sides, and it is great when coordinating.

I am 27, tho, back in my teenager days there was no location tracking easily available, but I’d use it in a heartbeat. Better than getting asked if I am already on the way home or still at the party.

cheese_greater,

I mean, just carrying a cellphone with mobile reception is almost like a 24/7 GPS tracker although obv no parent is generally going to be able to (not should they be able to) like warrant or subpoena that shit from the network carriers/towers

super_user_do,
@super_user_do@feddit.it avatar

I’m a gen zer and I would absolutely freak out. I’d rather not going out rather than being spied 24/7 by my parents. Seriously, this is the best way to kill trust between children and their parents. Now even the social relationship between parents and children has to be extremely toxic and anxiogenic as a basic minimum requirement

cheese_greater, (edited )

That cant be real—holy shit. Thats worse than picking on kids that dont have an iPhone™️ or any phone or don’t have “the blue bubbles” from using iMessage (which nobody should ever use honestly)

derpgon,

Fight the system, if someone laughs at you for having a green bubble, just counter by saying you are special and they are just normies like everyone else with blue bubble.

cheese_greater, (edited )

I go even further and say “if you want the real and sick blue bubbles, get Signal”.

Otherwise, enjoy getting spied on and having all your data handed over from Apple and also iMessage is dogshit. Half the time it doesnt even get delivered/received and you have to literally call or message the person through some real stable means of communication to troubleshoot

Imma not even get started on iMessage --> skeleton key/zero-day purpose (this is conjecture but I vehemently reject any argument to the contrary)

derpgon,

Yeah, those people are delusional, but that’s what you get when you raise kids in a world where having expensive shit is more important than teaching them frugality, money saving, and being nice to each other.

Blue bubbles go brrrr, doesn’t matter the kid doesn’t have attention span due to watching TikTok all day, or eating junk food cuz parents order fast food and have frozen pizza every day for dinner.

cheese_greater, (edited )

…expensive shit…eating junk food…fast food…frozen pizza…

You’re hitting dangerously close to home here, lol

derpgon,

I mean, I do it because I want to, not because I have to.

Okay, sometimes I am just lazy and not doing it might make me regret it later on.

cheese_greater,

do it

Err—could you clarify what you mean?

derpgon,

Burying bodies in my garden eating shitty food in order to sate my hunger for human flesh which usually makes me go on a killing spree to calm my cravings for blood less productive.

Stumblinbear,
@Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

See the thing is I’m fine with it because I know my parents wouldn’t have spied on me 24/7. If they were helicopter parents and DID check where I was every hour of the day I wouldn’t be fine with it.

super_user_do,
@super_user_do@feddit.it avatar

My parents have always been VERY restrictive about anything but computers (just because they don’t understand them). However, I asked them if they would do it and they told me that’s damn outrageous

Gruntyfish,
@Gruntyfish@lemmy.world avatar

The rest of Gen Z can speak for themselves.

CmdrShepard,

I think if anyone is qualified to speak for Gen Z, it’s most certainly Business Insider.

AceFuzzLord,

I know it’s just some rag bait nonsense, but I know as a fact most teens would never want their parents to constantly know where they are and monitor them constantly.

Franzia,

OP this post is just outrage bait. Business insider? Really?

whale,
@whale@lemm.ee avatar

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  • DragonTypeWyvern,

    I say let them cook.

    We’ve had twenty years of bullshit Gen X-written Millennials vs Boomers, it’s past time Gen Z gets some attention.

    MadBob,

    Business Insider? Hardly knew 'er.

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