2024 mustang extensive invasions of privacy

No one tells you when you buy the car all of the shit you are agreeing to. This needs to be changed.

This car doesn’t let you drive over 80mph. It reads speed limit signs and has a database apparently. The owners manual says it will provide that data to law enforcement.

This is insane. There needs to be awareness of this so people can, at the very least, know to ask before they buy. As it stands no one even knows this shit until they sign the papers and look at the owners manual.

trippingonthewire,

I have to buy older cars. I wish there was a car company making new cars that were older fashioned. Or I wish cars were simplistic enough to DIY.

Spyder,

I read an article about a new modular bare bones Toyota truck… no radio, no screens… $10,000 US roadandtrack.com/…/toyotas-10000-future-pickup-tr…

funkless_eck,

not watched the video but George Orwell wasn’t writing in favor of surveillance, nor was he a character in 1984.

Noctechnical,

Just buy a bike, bro. /s

MrSqueezles,

Many of these features are required by law in the US for cars that have ADAS (advanced driver assistance systems). The car has to monitor what’s happening and what it’s doing and record some of that in case there’s an accident. It also has to monitor your attentiveness so you don’t “accidentally” drift off to sleep while it’s in control.

Imagine if his son were driving and got into a crash with ADAS enabled and there weren’t any record of whose fault it was, the driver or the car. Ford would be like, “We’ll, I guess we’ll never know. Good luck with medical bills and a lifetime of suffering.”

Sounds like the speed limiter is a setting that can be disabled. As for the other stuff, sharing phone data, that’s pretty disgusting. I would guess what they’re actually after is whether you’re watching the road or playing with your device. Still not okay without explicit consent before you buy the car.

Cris_Color,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

Despite the down voters I appreciate you sharing the context about USA law around ADAS. Not a fan of this, but understanding how we got to a place where cars have this kind of privacy violation baked in is helpful

MrSqueezles,

Thanks! I work for a car company, so I thought I’d share what I know. I was sad to see the negative votes. Your comment made my day. Thank you for taking the time to write it.

Cris_Color,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

You’re very welcome ❤️ I think understanding why things are the way they are is important if we want any agency over it, I always appreciate folks who share their material knowledge of a subject

Hope you have a good one man, take care :)

yesman,

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Spyder,

How does Ford benefit from this? Why add this “feature?” … To prevent adolescent teens from driving over 80mph…? Nanny car 2024? Buy your teen this car and feel assured they won’t drive over 80mph? “Don’t worry we will alert the cops and even call you when they get arrested!”

SomeAmateur,

I bet insurance companies would pay out the nose for this data. Hike up the rates for drivers with “risky” habits.

Spyder,

I wonder if insurance companies would offer a lower rate for drivers with NannyCar features.

We monitor everything that you do, and limit your ability to cost us money:

No loud music, must use turn signals, no driving over 80mph, we track your movements, must wear seatbelt, pay tolls, have approved air pressure, no loud kids in the car, no distractions like hands on phones … stop at stop sign for 60 seconds. We can stop the car if we suspect is is being carjacked or involved in bank heist.

Or a more nefarious motivation…Ford … we monitor the music you like, where you stop to eat, which commercials you don’t skip, where you buy gas, … and sell the information to advertisers…

TheRaven,
@TheRaven@lemmy.ca avatar

This is how it’ll happen. Opt in. They’ll charge more by default and then you can share your safe driving with them to lower your premium. It’s often how it currently works with odometer readings, except not through a smart car, just a quick dash reading.

Spyder,

I’m imagining a nagging-nanny removing discounts for minuscule violations it deems catastrophic. “On September 2 you exhibited ‘road rage’ by not using your turn signal before passing.”

Micromanaged driving. AI anti-privacy bot calculating your every move. Big-Nagging-Nanny

settinmoon,
@settinmoon@lemmy.ml avatar

They already do this. I was offered to plug some kind of monitoring device into my car for a period of time to determine my driving behavior for potential lower rates. I went for higher rates.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Big if true. …so much for track day, I guess?

I figured this day would eventually arrive where your car snitches on you to the cops.

I suppose they could track your speed a millisecond at a time and you pay a fine based on speed over limit times distance traveled and it is then the charges are sent every month like a bill. You can appear in court but will always lose of course. Of course they’re capturing the drivers face at all times and sending that to the po po to make sure they charge the right person.

I guess I’m never buying another new car. Fuck everything, at this point. I’m so done.

icedterminal,

so much for track day, I guess?

Stuff like this is likely planned in advance with sports and super cars. Since this technology has existed for a while. Assuming you visit a recognized track, wherever it may be, the limiter simply turns off. For example, the 2009 and later Nissan GTR is sold in Japan with a 112 MPH artificial limiter in the software. The limit is there by law. GPS / Sat Nav is standard on this car. If you visit say, Fuji or Laguna Seca, the car knows where it is and turns the limiter off. Allowing you to achieve the ~200 MPH top speed. Examples sold for other markets such as US and EU need not worry. The redline in 6th gear is your physical limiter.

On a slightly related note, clever people have figured out ways around limiters. Such as tricking the GPS or modifying the ECU. Unfortunately, these days it gets harder to do this as manufacturers like Mercedes, BMW, VW, and a few others, are encrypting the communication network physically located in the car. It’s not the traditional low and high speed CAN Bus. FlexRay is becoming more commonplace unfortunately.

Vincent,

It’s Official: Cars Are the Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy — Mozilla

djtech,

But if it has all those limitations, why would anyone buy it?

Apollo2323,

People that don’t actually know this or just accept it. Look at how many people use ring cameras and you can tell them that Amazon will hand the video footage to law enforcement , and they will say “oh yeah I have nothing to hide” or “Oh yeah but the camera is cheap”

FreshProduceAndShit,

The “nothing to hide” folks will probably change their tune when there’s a massive data breach and now the darkweb knows what time your house is empty

Wes_Dev,

I wish I could go back in time and slap whoever invented the phrase “nothing to hide.”

GenesisJones,

No one is reporting this, ford certainly isn’t putting it in their press material, and no one gets a copy of the manual to review before purchasing a vehicle.

Retiring,
@Retiring@lemmy.ml avatar

To be fair, you can look it up on their websiteThe fact that this is something you have to consider now when buying a car is ridiculous though…

GenesisJones,

Right but this is not an issue that’s in the public consciousness yet. No one thinks to read the manual or go to the website and check on how their privacy is going to be invaded by a fuckin car.

This shit is infuriating.

lemming741,

fordservicecontent.com/…/2024_Ford_Mustang_Owners…

No one reads and understands it before they buy, but it’s out there

50MYT, (edited )

Also all these things he talks about you can just turn off lol.

Don’t want the car to send data? Turn it off…

Don’t want the speed limiter to be on? Turn it off…

Edit: lol why am I being downvoted? I’m right. Both are in car settings you can just turn off. Connectivity and speed limiter + traffic sign recognition.

guyrocket,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

But they're all ON by default, right?

50MYT,

Depends on the country of sale and what the dealer does with it.

Some countries it has to be law be off by default.

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Can you point to evidence that you can disable the speed limiter? I couldn’t find anything except in a Mustang forum that said the only way was through a hardware tuner.

50MYT,

I have the GT parked in my garage. The options to turn off the sign recognition and change the cruise control limiter are under vehicle settings in my sync menu.

CmdrShepard,

Have you actually verified whether you can turn this connectivity off? I know on other new cars it’s embedded in the electronics with no on/off button.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

And how do we know the dealer isn’t going to turn it back on after every service visit?

root,

Like how after every Windows update all my settings get reset 🤣

50MYT,

Yeah, it’s a setting in the car infotainment system under connectivity.

You have like 4 options. One for each of the data types (so you can turn off cellular data but leave on GPS), and one to turn it all off. When it’s all off there is no data being sent to or from the car at all.

Love how lemmy just downvotes cause they don’t like that answer.

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