thecam,
@thecam@lemmy.world avatar

If the roommate suggested an alternative messenger that was privacy minded like Matrix , then that is cool.

The roommate is a idiot or a dick for saying Signal sucks and suggests spyware instagram.

If you do not have instagram, do not get it. If you have instragram, delete it.

xxkickassjackxx,

Normal people don’t care that much about privacy for a group chat between their room mates. They’re not and they shouldn’t have to go out of their way to fulfill your request for a privacy based platform for a single group chat.

thecam,
@thecam@lemmy.world avatar

True, but to just diss signal and say, “lets use instagram bro” is pretty pathetic.

BobQuasit,

I won't install Facebook Messenger because fuck Zuck and his privacy-raping software.

EricHill78,
@EricHill78@lemmy.world avatar

My wife insists on using it. I learned to pick my battles.

Johandea,

So, how’s single life?

Anamana,
@Anamana@feddit.de avatar

Why should everyone use your recommended app tho? Try to look for a compromise. Yes privacy is important, but being that hard on yourself and others will make your life a lot less enjoyable.

spikespaz,

I’ve grown up enough to understand that, but it still really bothers me how ignorant people are. You could go further: no curiosity, no adventure, no hobbies, and total lack of effort in almost every facet of life.

People just like to stagnate, and it shows in almost every situation. Not even technology related things, but everything.

My teenage little brother, as much as I love him, is kind of disappointing. He doesn’t do anything but play Roblox. When he is grounded (often) he elects to take pictures of his feet and say stupid things to his “friends” instead of holding real conversations.

I’ve never been able to get him interested in anything that requires a modicum of effort, except for modded Minecraft. He likes the machines, and has built cool things, so I know he has the smarts, but he doesn’t have the attention span or the patience to troubleshoot them if they don’t work the first time. He gives up and starts doom scrolling social media. He has expensive shoes, the latest iPhone, and perms his hair. My mother encouraged this vapid pretty boy personality he’s adopted, and I don’t know why, he wasn’t like that when he was younger.

He tries to make fun of me for having and Android phone and using Linux, and I explain to him that software development is what I do for a living and as a hobby. Look, I never ever ever see an ad, anywhere. He thinks AirPods sound good, and calls all earbuds “AirPods”.

And he’s not the only one, I’m tutoring a kid around his age for programming and math. This kid will answer “I don’t know” to every single question, and when I check every 5 minutes to make sure he follows, he is obviously preoccupied.

When I was their age, I hated school just as much as any other kid (and I still think it needs serious reform because it might cause this kind of damage that I’m describing) but I still spent all of my free time either outside trying to make explosives, reading, or programming.

I do not understand the lazy I see all around me.

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Make the kid play GT:NH as a trial

spikespaz,

Thank you, I will. Seriously.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

As someone who did poorly in math and science classes because I spent all my free time reading Stephen King novels, binging horror movies on VHS, playing the original Final Fantasy, and walking around town aimlessly with my friends, I assure you we were there, and I knew people with even less motivation than myself.

spikespaz,

You are not the same. You read, watch, and play FF to ingest stories. The group of kids I’m talking about just open Roblox and fucking check out.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

I’m pretty sure I mindlessly checked out just as often. I cringe thinking about how I just used to watch TV ads without batting an eye. Imagine being numb to that.

argv_minus_one,

Then maybe they aren’t worth talking to.

spikespaz,

They’re my little brother, his friends, and the kid I’m tutoring. Can’t exactly just get rid of them.

jarfil,

I do understand the “lazy”, I saw them around me when I was a kid too.

It’s really simple: everyone is born curious, that’s how we learn to walk and talk, or the difference between sucking a thumb and chewing on sweets. Then, some get encouraged to keep being curious, while others get forced into strict rules and punished for any displays of curiosity, until they stop trying.

I almost got pushed over the line, was labeled a “bad kid” more than once for not following the rules, and just by a lucky twist of destiny, they couldn’t push me more into a mold. That lead to later rebellion, family conflicts, further attempts that completely backfired, and I ended up being one of the few weird kids in class who kept being curious. I still kind of envy some of the others, who instead of getting stifled, got truly encouraged in their curiosity, they’ve ended up much better later in life.

My point being, these people are not lazy, or like to stagnate, or like being ignorant. I’m sorry for your brother, it sounds like his curiosity has been beaten out of him into oblivion. You say your mother has encouraged it, and at the same time that he keeps getting grounded; that’s how the process works. If any time one tries to get out of the mold they get punished, while getting encouraged to stay safely inside, it leads to just giving up, at least until they get to live on their own, which prevents one from achieving their full potential.

As for the answering “I don’t know” to every question, I’ve seen it as a defense mechanism in people who got criticized/punished for every answer in an arbitrary manner, so they’d rather automatically pretend not to know, than risk thinking and saying the wrong thing. Not sure how you could help them, nothing of what I tried did work in that case. Hope you have more luck.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone has a limited about of time, ability to learn, and executive function. It’s rational to be lazy about things that aren’t important to your well-being or interests.

That said, there does seem to be an issue where people are getting overly habituated to instant gratification and constant stimulation. Many valuable things don’t work that way.

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

I mean we all know, that modern social media overstimulates kids’ brains. But I think that they use it in the first place to cope stress, just as older people tend to smoke to cope stress.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

What I hate about the person’s reply is that its not specific. There’s no opportunity for a counter argument or alternative option if the reason for not wanting to use something is that it “sucks”.

“I tried Signal five years ago and it was unreliable” would be a good justification, and there’s a good counter: its better now.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

and there’s a good counter: its better now.

That’s a good counter, unfortunately not a true one. :/

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

I think if you’re using on Android without Google cloud messaging, as many people in a privacy-oriented community might, delayed notifications are more likely. I’ve found that notifications are timely with cloud messaging using either MicroG or Google Play Services.

vagrantprodigy,

My response would be “Sorry, Instagram is cancer.”

darcy,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

“ok dude too bad we dont care”

cook_pass_babtridge,

Please don’t do this. One of the best experiences about university is meeting new people. Don’t cut people out of your life because they use the wrong chat app.

I_Has_A_Hat,

You mean exactly what the dingus in OP’s post is trying to do?

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

You think you’d lose friends over saying a social media app is cancer?

CrypticCoffee,

If one of their relatives had cancer, it would be belittling that experience. I would not do that unless I wanted to be a dick.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

Ok this is a fair point. But saying an app is bad because it doesn’t respect its users should cause no hard feelings between friends.

cook_pass_babtridge,

You lose friends when you refuse to communicate with them because of the app they’re using.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

I’ve met like 5 people more during my university studies, none of which I kept in touch with after graduating. I kinda regret it but I’m not really a person that makes friends easily (or at all), so whatever. I had different friends outside of that.

vagrantprodigy,

OPs roommate isn’t worth meeting.

kby,

No, do that. Fully legitimate to choose friends with similar values. If privacy awareness is a big thing for you, do that, really. I survived college without installing Discord. It did bar me out of many groups, but I still had a fairly large circle of friends. I guess Germany is a bit different regarding privacy awareness among younger people, though.

areyouevenreal,

What’s your problem with Discord?

ritchie,

I could not wait to end university, so that I can stop using big tech products. Unfortunately people only use products they are familiar with. If they are always on facebook, they use that for groups. Good luck finding a local community uses anything but facebook groups.

Edit: at university, many pieces of info reaches you informally. If you are not talking to classmates, you might miss important news as well.

stagen,
@stagen@feddit.dk avatar

I loathe the way kids use snapchat to text chat. They take a photo of their shoes then reply. 🤨

frunch,

This is the 2nd time I’ve seen “taking pics of their shoes/feet” as one of their defaults in text conversation–is this a trend? Any ideas or explanation where it came from?

stagen,
@stagen@feddit.dk avatar

Correct me if I’m wrong, but i think it’s just how Snapchat works. You can’t reply to anyone if you’re not also using a photo. I don’t use it myself.

seliaste,
@seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Text chat exists in snapchat, unless they removed it, I think last time I used it was 3 years ago

erin,

You’re thinking of “snaps,” where someone might send a photo just to keep a streak going. There are regular text chats on Snapchat.

stagen,
@stagen@feddit.dk avatar

I see. Yeah I guess that could be it.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

Signal does suck, especially since it doesn’t support sms anymore.

Hyperi0n,

And it’s exclusively used by pedophiles and the far right.

astral_avocado,

Exclusively? I wasn’t aware they were the only ones who cared about end to end encryption.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

Well that escalated quickly…

Railing5132,

Uhhh THAT’S a broad brush… I use it, and I’m as far lefty left as left liberal can be, and my family is the same. And none of us are pedophiles to my knowledge.

I can understand OP’s desire to not plaster one’s entire living situation on a public forum. The startling lack of privacy awareness among people in general is frightening. In the 60’s there were actual riots over wiretaps on public phones!

Now we ask the wiretaps that we pay to put in our homes: “hey Alexa, can cats eat pancakes?”

Hyperi0n,

Liberal is central… left leaning central.

Alexa isn’t an example of a wiretap and the same laws to access data from them are present with actual wiretaps.

I have a Juris Doctorate in surveillance law in Canada and completed Modern Surveillance Law through Standford.

Railing5132,

Literalists…

astral_avocado,

Sucks but it’s the best we got

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

I don’t disagree, I’m just not going to bitch about not understanding why folks don’t want to install yet another messaging app

Ranman,

deleted_by_author

  • Loading...
  • astral_avocado,

    It was a good in between step for non technical users to use it as their singular texting app. So while they still SMS with the unwashed masses, they could still be convinced to do encrypted texts and group chats with others. Doing away with SMS forced all these people off Signal since they didn’t want to jump between 2 apps, it was a huge misstep by them that I think cost them their future.

    ShittyRedditWasBetter,

    Yes. It lets you still talk with everyone else who isn’t going to care.

    Goldmaster,

    Says signal sucks without actually trying it. Just create a group chat put a link in, job done

    seliaste,
    @seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It seems like everyone in my university uses discord for communication which is way more fitting imo, I cant imagine having a single group chat for everything

    dangblingus,

    Discord is really the most feature rich and user friendly chat app available. If someone says they use Telegram or Signal, I generally raise an eyebrow.

    foonex,

    Discord is not very privacy-oriented. We‘re in a privacy-oriented community here, so Discord should raise an eyebrow, not Signal, which is famously privacy-oriented.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

    deleted_by_author

  • Loading...
  • dangblingus,

    I use Discord because that’s where everyone is. Signal and Telegram raise an eyebrow for their E2E encryption, which in practice, is marketing only. It’s a matter of time before E2E doesn’t cut it and law enforcement and governments possess keys. I don’t divulge personal information about myself over Discord, so there’s no data points to connect to a real person. Generally, the privacy focused folks use these other apps because it helps them coordinate certain political actions that I find repugnant. If I need to communicate privately, I speak in person. If I need to talk to someone digitally, I’ll email them.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org avatar

    This us silliness based around false notions about people who value privacy. It’s one step from saying “you have nothing to worry about if you’re nor doing anything wrong,” which is an absurd idea, especially now when we’ve seen firsthand the effects of social media disclosing information that leads to the prosecution of people who have abortions and the non-consensual outing of LGBT+ people.

    Personally, I feel like there are more eyebrow-raising aspects about continuing to use apps like Facebook and Instagram when we know how hostile and intrusive they are to our personal data.

    Moreover, it’s not just harmful groups that need privacy. Safe communication tools are also important for groups that seek positive change, such as BLM, LGBTQIA groups, and anti-fascists.

    We are in a privacy community, or am I mistaken? All this is just privacy 101.

    hackris,

    I like how you just assume that the content of the messages is the only thing they care about. The app is proprietary goddamnit.

    argv_minus_one,

    It’s a matter of time before E2E doesn’t cut it and law enforcement and governments possess keys.

    That’s why you only use open-source E2EE like Signal. There’s no way to slip in a back door without a bunch of people noticing, sounding the alarm, and forking the project.

    TheAlbatross,

    deleted_by_author

  • Loading...
  • amju_wolf,
    @amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

    Telegram has plenty of features for larger groups, too. Easily enough for acquaintances and schoolmates. Considering how easy creating group chats is you don’t have to have a single one for everything.

    Asudox,
    @Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

    Why not element? Element has something similar to servers as well.

    aaronstc,

    Because “nobody” knows what that is.

    Kalladblog,
    @Kalladblog@lemmy.world avatar

    Feature rich? Probably. User friendly? Bro skipped doing a hot take and went straight to supernova.

    bitwolf,

    Same, we used Discord and Matrix for university clubs.

    pirrrrrrrr,

    I managed to get my whole family to use Signal for the family chat with minimal coersion.

    As an IT worker and Android user in a family of iPhones, I was happy to take the win.

    Honytawk,

    If only my family actually listened to experts. Both me and my sister are in IT, and we use Signal to send to each other. But none of the rest even care to switch.

    Aria,

    Signal does suck though. What kind of privacy focused decision is mandatory SIM association?

    couragethebravedog,

    They are doing away with that soon. Going to usernames.

    Aria,

    Maybe OPs friends will switch over when that happens.

    fluffery,
    @fluffery@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s not that, if it was, they wouldn’t have said instagram of all things

    cobra89,

    As someone who uses signal every day, signal does kinda suck for group chats. If we all stop simping for a moment and actually talk about its issues:

    Maybe they’ve fixed it but from my experience individual chats in signal are fine but group chats can be pretty shit. If someone doesn’t have service and their message fails to send, when the message finally does send, it just inserts itself into the conversation at the current time instead of putting it in at the original time it tried to send. So it ends up being completely out of context.

    I also have friends that have the iOS signal app and if they don’t open it for a while notifications stop working so they don’t see my messages and I have to text them instead.

    Also the phone to PC link can be buggy as well with not all messages going through or getting transferred.

    MrTHXcertified,

    Devil’s advocate: if a delayed message is put far up the conversation history, it may not be seen when it finally goes through? Although notifications could mitigate that to some extent.

    pineapplelover,

    There’s not too many better alternatives out there

    Imnebuddy, (edited )
    Imnebuddy, (edited )

    Referencing my buried comment with suggestions:

    I don’t remember and can’t find a post I saw in the past recommending better video chat applications for more than two users. I believe one was Jitsi and another Wire. I just found another video conferencing application someone recommended online: MiroTalk. Different open source software excel in different areas.

    Sorry, I just realized this post is about instant messaging platforms and not specifically their video chat features.

    I like Element better because of its Markdown capabilities (though still very limited) and the ability to edit messages. I used element for my team coding projects in college, which worked very well and integrated nicely with our GitHub updates, but it sucked for video conferences. Signal barely holds up for two-user video chats, though that could be my internet or someone else’s.

    I also want to self host my own XMPP server someday.

    There is Revolt. Maybe younger people will like that more.

    argv_minus_one,

    Getting my friends to use Jitsi was actually really easy, because Jitsi actually worked, and Google Meet didn’t (people’s voices were breaking up very very badly).

    Gotta love it when opportunity knocks.

    cobra89,

    I tried self hosting Jitsi a couple years ago and it was buggy as hell. Haven’t tried the non-selfhosted version really.

    ReversalHatchery,

    Recently heard there is also Jami, which is similar to Jitsi

    edisondotme,
    @edisondotme@lemmy.ml avatar

    True, I prefer Matrix. My homies use Element.

    milicent_bystandr,

    YMMV? I use Signal for a couple of group chats, people who have finally decided the extra security is worth everyone moving across from WhatsApp/Messenger for. Had no problems.

    Then again, I’m not a big online-messaging-person generally so maybe there’s a lot of issues I don’t get round to seeing.

    obinice,
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Instagram has group chat? I thought it was an image posting and commenting website.

    MagneticFusion,

    Oh trust me Instagram has so many features. They have stories and messages and group chats and stories but for texts, reels which are short form content like Tiktok etc etc etc. Everything that needs to exist in one app to get you addicted to the app and never leave it. I was there once and am never going back

    teclo, (edited )
    @teclo@feddit.uk avatar

    For us Gen-X’ers it was the age old, “I don’t use MSN chat, I use ICQ, someone else uses Yahoo chat.” Pidgin helped in those days.

    Magnetar,

    I’m old enough for Trillian, before Pidgin was usable.

    teclo,
    @teclo@feddit.uk avatar

    Oh man, I totally forgot about Trillian. The days where everything was heading towards XMPP then it all exploded away from it again.

    jarfil,

    XMPP did it to itself, it left stuff like file transfers, audio/video calls, custom emojis, all undefined in the standard and left for the clients to create their own extensions… which they made, incompatible between each other.

    compjunkie888,

    I paid for a Trillian license back in the day it made my life so much better. All my school friends were AIM, sports friends MSN, church friends mostly in Yahoo, internet friends on a mix. Trillian was an amazing find for me.

    prole,

    I didn’t even realize you could pay for it, pretty sure I had a pirated copy.

    I also used it for talking to friends from church, but I guess I had an older brother who taught me the ways of “warez” lol

    prole,

    Damn, those are some words I haven’t seen in a very long time, wow… Trillian.

    “I can finally make the vague emo song lyrics in my AIM profile look even cooler.

    dime,

    Seems like an unnecessarily douchey email from your roommate. Hope they’re chill otherwise.

    MagneticFusion,

    That is my impression as well. We shall see how he is in person.

    RoadArchie,

    Sorry that your unnecessary tool was shot down and a more approachable user friendly task compliant tool was chosen instead

    RTRedreovic,
    @RTRedreovic@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    It is ironic that you call a Proprietary Data Harvester Platform User “Friendly”. Well forget users. Meta even collects data of non users to top off the grimness.

    RoadArchie,

    User friendliness =/= Privacy friendly. What I mean is that everybody there (aside from the linux kid) is comfortable with the app. More than goddamn signal…

    RTRedreovic,
    @RTRedreovic@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    I really do not see any logical basis that makes you separate privacy friendliness from User Friendliness. If a platform wishes to be user friendly, privacy is also one of the fundamental rights of a user the platform needs to take care of for it to be considered friendly to a user.

    The fact that a lot of people, not ‘everybody’, are comfortable with Instagram has no strong points to consolidate your own position. It only describes how good the horrible marketting of Giant Tech Corporations is at entrapping millions of people into using it, generating life long addictions and the eventual wastage of time on degenerate culture. While the Corporations collect all that data available to them to further their own Capitalist interests.

    Privacy does come at a cost and compromise. A slightly less funkier UI for a far more secure platform, for essentially 0 cost is a lot one could ask for, especially when you are comparing a Libre project made by a small organization to a proprietary project made by a Multi Billionaire MNC.

    I will not be apologetic in saying that you are the child here who is tailing the mass of consumers without proper analysis.

    RaivoKulli,

    task compliant tool

    I thought Instagram was for photos of fitness thots or something not for instant messaging

    RoadArchie,

    Its appropriate for the task at hand. No tech knowledge required, and everybody has instagram already.

    Strawberry,

    everybody has an Instagram already

    do you actually believe this

    interolivary,
    @interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

    Obviously enough of the people in question have Instagram that they’re going with the IG chat and not Signal

    Strawberry,

    That’s not what was said, and also we seem to be interpreting the scope of “everyone” differently

    RoadArchie,

    If its recommended in the group of relatively tech illiterate young people, then yeah. I don’t think I need to pull up the download statistic right?

    Strawberry,

    the statistic that every young person has Instagram on their phone?

    RaivoKulli,

    everybody has instagram already

    Lmao

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • random
  • uselessserver093
  • Food
  • aaaaaaacccccccce
  • [email protected]
  • test
  • CafeMeta
  • testmag
  • MUD
  • RhythmGameZone
  • RSS
  • dabs
  • Socialism
  • KbinCafe
  • TheResearchGuardian
  • Ask_kbincafe
  • oklahoma
  • feritale
  • SuperSentai
  • KamenRider
  • All magazines