I was once (long ago) sick on Monday and my employer called me and told me that I should be able to come to work when I was able to play World of Warcraft on Sunday, because he looked my character up in the armory and saw me getting a boss kill or something.
I was sick, because I had my wisdom teeth removed on Monday morning…
People can get in all kinds of trouble because of their gaming habits. A game critical of religion or religious, a game about sexuality and/or gender, a political game about dictatorship or capitalism or unionizing. A historical game about something your country doesn’t want you to know or a game that mentions Tian’anmen and Winnie-Puh. A game from a Russian developer that fled Russia when the war against Ukraine started and you are a gamer in Russia who wants to play it.
Good if Steam allows more control over our privacy, it took them long enough.
told me that I should be able to come to work when I was able to play World of Warcraft
From your name I assume you are German. In that case your employer could suck it, even if you played on Monday. You can do whatever the fuck you want if it doesn’t conflict with you getting better. So if the doctor advises to stay in bed and sleep and you run around town for fun you could rightfully get in trouble. But if you have a broken leg you might not be fit for (your particular) work but could of course still play computer games. If you are on sick leave for mental problems you could even go on vacation because that might even benefit your mental health.
go a step further who cares if hes out and about while sick your employer has you for the time youre working no more and usually less. the employer can suck a dick, your situation is probably different but if my boss was like “yo i see u gaming come to work”, id quit on the spot.
always work the quality of your wage and remember that you arent paid enough.
Thing is: there is always the "next better thing" around the corner. That's what progress is about. The only thing you can do is choose the best available option for you when you need new hardware and be done with it until you need another upgrade.
really my rule of thumb has always been when it's a significant upgrade.
for a long time i didn't really upgrade until it was a 4x increase over my old. certain exceptions were occasionally made. nowadays i'm a bit more opportunistic in my upgrades. but i still seek out 'meaningful' upgrades. upgrades that are a decent jump over the old. typically 50% improvement in performance, or upgrades i can get for really cheap.
I had a 1080ti and the only game that really gave me grief playing on high settings was Starfield. I’m not saying older cards won’t have problems playing newer games but I am saying all cards have problems playing Starfield.
You have a magical button. If you press it now, you will get $100 and it will disappear. Every year you don’t press it, the amount of money you will get if you do press it goes up by 20%. When should you press the button? At any given point in time, waiting just one more year adds an entire 20% to your eventual prize, so it never makes sense to press it, but you have to eventually or you get nothing.
Once you need it, or, alternatively, once you have enough to live comfortably for the rest of your life. It’s exponential growth, you only get one chance, just gotta decide what your goal with the money actually is.
I think I got about 77 years left in me, unless somebody comes along and kills me that is.
That at least would be $125 million which isn't too shabby. I find it hard to believe that anybody would say that $125 million 77 years from now would not be a considerable amount of money.
Yeah it’s always that: “I want to buy the new shiny thing! But it’s expensive, so I’ll wait for a while for its price to come down.” You wait for a while, the price comes down, you buy the new shiny thing and then comes out the newest shiny thing.
Yep. There will always be "just wait N months and there will be the bestest thing that beats the old bestest thing". You are guaranteed to get buyers remorse when shopping for hardware. Just buy what best suits you or needs and budget at the time you decided is the best.time for you (or at the time your old component bites the dust) and then stop looking at any development on those components for at least a year. Just ignore any deals, new releases, whatever and be happy with the component you bought.
I bought a 1080 for my last PC build, downloaded the driver installer and ran the setup. There were ads in the setup for the 2k series that had launched the day before. FML
Yep. I bought a 4080 just a few weeks ago. Now there is ads for the refresh all over... Thing is: you card didn't get any worse. You thought the card was a good value proposition for you when you bought it and it hasn't lost any of that.
I wonder how much they really will get. As per Steam’s policy, they won’t receive the payments until January 30th. By then, tons of people have time to request for a refund. They are also apparently more generous on the refund window. (more than 2 hours)
Uh, have you not seen how many game studios are collapsing? It’s more likely an “oh crap we’re bankrupt interest rates jumped and we can no longer pay our loans’ carrying costs”.
The interest rate jump screwed a lot of businesses that depend heavily on loans to make it to profitability.
They probably took one look at their launch-day take, compared it against their loans, and said “fuck this we’re filing for bankruptcy and I’m and going to go get a regular-ass job”.
Lol no, not for this one. This was scammy from the start. The weird thing is they had decent games out before this. Why would they intentionally screw up so badly idk.
Why would they intentionally screw up so badly idk.
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
They probably started with an overambitious design, took some ill-advised short-cuts, and pivoted the to the “extraction” format after they’d already marketed it as a different concept, and made a bad gamble or two. Normal gamedev stuff. Same as every Molyneux game.
A few years back this could’ve been another No Man’s Sky story where they fix it after launch… but that means going deeper and deeper into debt while you salvage the mess you’ve made. Post-COVID interest rates make that impossible. So now they’re broke and the project they spent the last years on is a stinker and they don’t have enough runway to fix it.
I mostly agree with you, but I’m pretty sure NMS took home about $15M in the first month ($78M sales in first month). If they hadn’t, they might have closed shop, too. Now, we have a small group of millionaires who can make whatever they want.
They claimed a 5 year development time, and what they shipped was a tutorial that lasts 2 hours (to cover the refund window) and a completely empty game afterwards, that consists of you wandering around a map they bought as an asset pack.
They used the hype about the game to make “behind the scenes” videos which were actually ads for an app they made on the side.
The last 2 games they released were abandoned in similar circumstances shortly after launch.
There’s enough evidence of malice here.
They have a monopoly but that’s because they’re just the best service. It’s not just that they were the first, they’re just consistently the best. Everybody who has spun up another ancillary launcher and DRM service has always made an inferior product to Valve’s.
Epic games bribes you with free games, launched without a functioning cart, and hoovers your data.
EA has gone through Origin and the EA app, both of which are awful; Origin being the butt of jokes for years and the EA app being an unstable piece of garbage that logs you out every day with “a particularly annoying bug”.
Ubisoft. Self explanatory.
I could keep going on, but Valve earned their position in the market. Could they reduce the cut and still exist with a good profit? Absolutely, but that’s the only thing I’d really want them to change - treat the devs a bit more fairly.
You can leave “share email with (company that owns game you’re buying)” unchecked at checkout
Games on Epic are by default DRM free but game companies can turn DRM on, unfortunately it doesn’t tell you prior to buying the game if you can play it without the launcher or not
Edit: people can correct me instead of downvoting but you should also look at using heroic games launcher. I’m not sure but it should help hide your data
Steam’s hardware survey gathers a narrow set of hardware info, shows you what it finds, and asks permission before sending. It is completely transparent forthcoming and optional. That is not hoovering up your data.
And what gives about hardware.
The personal data is the scary stuff.
The payment history, the invested money, browsing history, mouse movement tracking, other programs installed on the pc and so on.
Yeah, the one thing I would say is that you can never be 100% certain what data is being gathered by closed source software, especially if there is an encrypted communication channel. Saying that though, Valve are decently trustworthy.
It doesn’t matter. The suit is alleging that valve threatened to ban games if they were cheaper on other stores. Thats monopolistic price manipulation, and it’s illegal. Valve even pro.ises not to do this in its terms of service - their price parity policy is only supposed to apply to steam keys. That would be fair, because otherwise they couldn’t give out keys in the first place. But you can’t force devs to list games at the same price and then decide on the cut you will take if you are a monopoly. They will have to prove Valve violated its ToS.
Right. Valve is claiming they didn’t, and that they only demand price parity for steam keys. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Honestly, I am not sure what game valve would play to do this. Devs could just make a red and green version of their game to sell on different platforms and price them differently. Meanwhile, to customers, a games price is a games price and developer publisher and distributor are always incentivized to find the highest price a customer is willing to pay through game theory. The market has definitely proven that customers don’t care about what percentage of the cut goes to devs. So there is no incentive for anyone to post a game at a lower price than what a customer is wiling to pay on steam as long as steam retains the highest volume. Telling devs to not price the way they want seems very counter productive to being a good retailer, so who knows.
Games like Risk of Rain Returns is selling cheaper than it’s ever been on Steam. I use isthereanydeals often to check current and historical pricing before buying a game.
You have to remember that allot of these sales are from key retailers that will do stuff like buy keys wholesale. I’m not completely sure how that market works honestly, but that generates a lot of sales.
The case is really going to depend on David proving that Valve engaged in the alleged behavior. Games go on sale all the time, so there is a difference between a game being temporarily cheaper on one site because of a sale or key resell market demand, and valve using their influence to fix prices.
Isn’t that what sale is with it being sporadic? Retail price is for people who can’t wait for sales and need it now.
Not sure how retail price would be used. Permanent price drops are rare for pretty every purchasable good out there beyond digital games with companies saying something is X% off leading to more purchasing with consumers thinking they are getting a deal.
Publishers I believe are also the ones with power to fill the market with Steam keys to then have it priced however they want and including them in bundles that are sometimes less than the price of just the game alone during a sale. Some publishers opt to not make steam keys available at all.
As consumer it’s just unusual to see accusations of price fixing, since I can so easily get steam keys for cheaper. And only times I usually go buy direct from Steam these days is if a company doesn’t offer steam keys, so the only way to buy a steam copy is through steam. And prices for games feel like they’ve been so cheap that it’s the one thing I have no complaints about.
What devs would like to do is push gamers to buy their games on platforms where they get a higher revenue cut. The logic is that 15 dollar game could be 12 dollars on GoG and a dev makes the same amount of money. The issue with this approach is the game theory doesn’t work out for the customer - if a customer is willing to buy a game on steam for more money, than the dev has no reason to offer it on another store for less money when they actually have a higher cut of the revenue, and a higher incentive to price higher. There are non-price reasons a customer would like to buy on steam. Cloud syncing, integrity verification, easy steam deck client, and most importantly parity with the rest of their library. So it is very favorable to Valve as long as its the preferred place to buy games.
The issue is that while it is fair for steam to compete on service, it definitely is unfair for them to try to dictate to devs and publishers where they can sell their games and how they price them, especially if it isn’t a part of their ToS. You don’t get a steam key from GoG, and you aren’t using Steam’s servers. If Devs get more of the revenue, AND they were theoretically able to achieve more volume on GoG, why would you ever sell your game on steam and give up more revenue? Steam has to compete - which they claim they do, and David is alleging they don’t in their suit.
It will be interesting to watch the suit unfold. David is claiming that Valve de-facto forces the pricing through the threat of de-listing on steam. So he will need to prove it. We don’t see many games sell below steam price, but I do think that there is kind of an incentive for devs to have one consistent price across all retailers. At the end of the day, there is a price customers are willing to pay for a given game, and you don’t want to lower it on the platform that give you a higher cut of revenue. It’s why it would kind of be silly for Valve to engage in this price fixing behavior, but there are plenty of instances where for-profit companies and employees do silly (and illegal) things, so we will see as this case plays out.
The only way steam falls off is if another store beats them on volume, which also means provides a better customer experience than steam. It’s a really tall order - how do you get people to move to your game libary management sytem? The only real way is to have an exclusive game that players can’t get on steam. That is the core of EGS - the place where you play fortnite. EGS actually makes a lot of sense as long as epic making the hottest game on earth. Half Life 2 was essentially why Valve was able to launch Steam. The issue is that Fortnite is on the decline and EGS just loses money. I don’t know how you make enough money to outdo Valve in the near term.
It doesn’t matter. The suit is alleging that valve threatened to ban games if they were cheaper on other stores. Thats monopolistic price manipulation, and it’s illegal.
That is only true specifically for Steam keys and is a very important distinction. You can't sell your game cheaper with your free Steam keys on another store cheaper than Steam without giving Steam customers the same discount within a 'reasonable amount of time'.
Publishers/Developers are free to undercut Steam with non-Steam keys on other stores.
It's OK to run a discount for Steam Keys on different stores at different times as long as you plan to give a comparable offer to Steam customers within a reasonable amount of time.
I wonder what would be said if isthereanydeals is pulled up as evidence, and shows games listed cheaper than steam on other stores. Pretty much reason a majority of my Steam games have been bought outside of the Steam stores, since I’m able to consistently get the games cheaper with better earlier discounts.
Is it listed retail price that is being talked about as opposed to sale price?
I mean, the launcher part of the argument hardly matters anyway. Launchers aren’t required to sell games. Its the storefront that matters, but in terms of having an online software store, Valve isn’t even that dominant. Even limitting it to just selling games on Windows, while yes, Steam is the go-to, Microsoft (or prehaps more significantly Mojang), Riot games, Blizzard, and Roblox are all massive games that have their own stores (and launchers for that matter). There are also numerous other smaller games with their own pages, and more generalized storefronts that don’t require the use of Valve’s storefront or launcher such as Itch.io, Humble (they don’t just sell Steam Keys), and GOG.
I don’t mind their market position. I do mind them taking an entire third of revenue, straight off the top. That’s bullshit enough when console manufacturers do it - and they claim that’s to subsidize the hardware platform that they built and control.
They offer a hell of a lot more per dollar for their 30% (which isn't actually 30%, and increases your sales volume by way more than enough to make up the difference) than Epic does for their cut.
Valve making as much from Microsoft Windows / your-own-PC games as Sony makes from Sony-branded Sony-made Sony Playstation hardware is a damning reflection of an industry-wide problem.
No, it doesn't. It means that they add massive value and more people buy more games as a direct result of the value that they add. Valve has done more to grow the PC gaming space than anyone else and there isn't anything close.
They could take 50% and they would still offer by far the best value out there with nothing else close. Their cut is extremely generous to developers.
Epic is the only one offering a meaningfully different cut from anyone else, and they're doing it by being absolute dogshit at everything connected to their store in any way.
“They could take more and still control the market” is a confession, not a counterargument.
And it directly contradicts saying they need that much money, in order to… “provide value.” An aggressive hand-wave that ignores how Sony and Microsoft take the same cut for platforms they own and control completely.
This 30% off-the-top is a de facto standard that’s basically just left over from when Nintendo had 90% market share and had to physically manufacture cartridges months in advance. I don’t care what Valve says they’re providing - they did not do half as much per game as the people who made the fucking game. They don’t deserve a third of their money.
What they "need" is irrelevant. They deserve every penny.
If valve never existed, the best case companies would make way less than half as much on PC gaming, and a meaningful proportion would literally make nothing because distributing software for revenue is extremely difficult for a normal person or small team to do. Anyone paying 30% is getting a bargain, because distributing the same volume by themselves would cost more than that in labor and other costs.
The entire PC gaming market exists because Valve created it.
I got a binder full of PC CD-ROMs that says “bullshit.”
Valve has contributed to the PC gaming market. But they got there by shoving their middleman service into a game everyone bought anyway, at a store, because Steam did not exist. It sucked. It sucks a lot less now, in part because they take an entire fucking third of every sale, and if you think all those sales could only possibly happen by taking that much money from them, you’re not even listening to yourself.
Do you believe it’s free to host downloads, support matchmaking services, and the near endless other services steam provides? Or did considering why other online gaming retail platforms (besides GOG we love GOG) suck major ass just skip your mind?
An entire third, or zero. Other numbers don’t exist. Valve obviously needs every cent they take, to do the bare minimum you smugly rub in my face, as though I’ve never even heard of their service. All that value just goes right back to the game-makers! Aaand all the hardware research and development they do for themselves but nevermind that.
And I guess GOG is a clear counterexample of your own point but uhhhhhh smokebomb!
You know they’re not hurting. They enjoy immense profit, at the expense of people who still make games. All excuses are tired nonsense. The cut isn’t why Epic sucks. It’s not why GOG has less market share. Steam barged its way into relevance on the back of Half-Life 2, and was the first digital game store anyone bothered to use.
They’ll have a de-facto monopoly next year because they had a de-facto monopoly last year. That’s all it takes. That’s the entire fucking reason we have laws about monopolies. They can do whatever the hell they want to publishers, and there’s fuck-all consumers can do about it.
I don’t really know how I feel about steam or valve. I’m kind of nervous about how dominant they are… like it would really suck if they suddenly disappeared or started acting more maliciously. I get why people like the promises from GOG and stuff. But that said… Valve and Steam do so much good stuff and I really respect all of the Linux work they’ve done. I don’t really trust them long term, but they seem to currently be in the position where open platforms benefit them and they’re leaning into that… and that’s actually really cool.
Honestly, the fact that the steam deck isn’t locked down and you can install games from other sources, or even blow away the operating system and put windows on it is kind of incredible and I’m really glad they’ve done things like that. I’m not sure how relevant it would be to these lawsuits, but I feel like the lack of a walled garden gives them a significant brownie point for me. I hope they keep doing awesome stuff like this and don’t completely squander any good will I have towards them.
Regardless, I hope small developers can get a better cut on steam in the future… 30% seems pretty steep. It’s probably worth it for the value that steam adds, but I could see it being juuuust enough that some small game developers can’t quite eek out a living on a niche game.
Steam has a pretty sustainable business model but If steam goes evil, their first step will be going public, until then they can continue making long term decisions. Them going public will be a long enough run way for me to move off the platform at least.
What worries me is gamepass, which is definitely trying to trap users right now, eating steams lunch. They will definitely become complete shit, that’s their whole business model.
Even before Origin, EA offered online sales with their EA Downloader app and it was a freaking nightmare. Terrible speeds, and you could only download a game so many times, and any purchases didn’t transfer to Origin.
It is the slow boiling frog story. Linus would have called out himself some years ago for this, but now he does not have time for that. They have to pump content to keep it rolling and get more equipment; they cannot stop now. They could not see this as an issue because they have slowly transitioned to this, but they are now locked into this rhythm. Hopefully, they can pivot out of this, and hopefully, they hiring of a new CEO was special because they already saw this problem.
There’s a big part of this that’s just his ego though. The self-imposed release schedule is bad, but ultimately his inability to truly admit he was wrong is what will ultimately undo the company.
I was enthusiastic about LTT Labs - there are many areas that reviewers can’t explore because of the complicated and expensive testing setups required, such as objective measurements on whether a phone has a good antenna or not. But at this point I’m not sure how we would ever be able to trust what they produce.
That’s my big worry. The company is now too big and too expensive to slow down. There’s a real possibility that this mess results in mass layoffs at LMG, either because public backlash kills their profitability or they accept how screwed up they are and slow down and take some time to fix things and this results in a drop in output that means they can no longer afford their current scale. I don’t know how much runway they have. And in that scenario it’s the most vulnerable employees and not the problem-people in leadership who’d be facing the music, which is awful.
The headline is about exposing your IP, which frankly isn’t that big of a deal. The actual article says it exposed your IP, and then includes arbitrary code execution as the after thought… Clearly the code execution is the massive vulnerability here lol
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It’s a massive mod that expands the base game to let you explore other planets/galaxies with new resources and a massive tech tree. Launching a rocket from the base game is essentially the beginning of the mod.
DSP is great. After I finished my first sphere, I wanted to see if the universe had a border, so I picked an outer system star as a reference point and flew directly away from it and all the other stars…for hours before finding the edge wall.
And online services do not work. The Crew is only online. The game is unplayable and Steam can not save the game. You don’t own the games, we told you so, we told you dog.
It is now objectively a worst product for the people who paid full-price. They retroactively made all the previous skins very hard to obtain, and you no longer get new heroes without paying or grinding. That’s it, that’s Overwatch 2. Everything else has been canned.
Like I said in a Beehaw comment about the video, LMG needs to vastly improve their Quality Assurance process if they want their new “Labs” initiative to hold weight. I’ve watched LTT with friends more for the entertainment and taken the data with a grain of salt.
It’s clear they need to slow down to review more carefully, whether that’s by lengthening release rate and schedules, or by hiring more staff to spread out across projects.
Steve and Gamers Nexus were just putting together what the community already told Linus and co. Linus and his staff were clearly well aware that there is intense pressure to release on timelines that don’t allow for proper checking at filming time and allow mistakes to pass through. This is from their own LMG produced videos, not taken substantially out of context.
So from the above I don’t buy Linus’ claims that Steve could or should have discussed this privately or anything. Steve is only bringing it up in this way because they have, to some extent, been wilfully ignoring these issues that are right in front of them and a chat with GN likely wouldn’t have changed that. Why? My reasoning is recommendations to slow down the rate of release aren’t good for business.
I’ve always appreciated GN’s methodology and they pride themselves on holding a high ethical standard for their technical reviews. Not everyone can easily reach that same standard but the onus is on LMG to show that their tests are trustworthy and that starts with diligent, researched information, testing and good Quality Control.
(I won’t touch on the Billet issue besides LMG fucked up on that and Linus needs to work that out with Billet directly and apologize).
A) LMG stated that they reached out first to offer financial compensation.
B) LMG may have destroyed this company. Ask your self how much having your passion project destroyed is worth.
C) It’s not about the money but the attitude. LMG is giving off “I’m paying you to fuck off” vibes. This should have never happened. LMG should be tearing them selves apart to ensure this never happens again. Not giving some half assed excuses.
It includes taking a week to go through their internal process and clean every thing up. Linus proper is only at the end, with the new CEO and Yvonna talking about it from the get go.
In his forum post he commented somewhere in the thread that billet sent them a quote and they paid in full - so at least that part should be resolved. Still a massive fuckup though.
According to the new video that’s a lie, and they didn’t reach out at all until after this video was posted, they made an offer but billet has not yet responded to it or accepted it.
For anybody slow as me that took an eterny to understand what the hell this comment had to do with anything…
It’s a reference to the Ubisoft mechanic seen on most of it’s open world games of going to a tower, in this case a reference to Far Cry so it’s a radio tower, and do/activate something and that “scans” and add to the map points of interest in that zone around the tower.
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