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mom, in What is happening with the FMHY instance?
bobs_monkey,

Thanks mom, now where’s the meatloaf

100thCatMarch, in What the hell happened with vlemmy.net?
100thCatMarch avatar

It just disappeared. Common theory is the vlemmy admin found illegal content posted on his server and nuked the entire instance.

PrinceHabib72, in What the hell happened with vlemmy.net?

Vlemmy.net was my first home instance. The admin was responsive, transparent, and, most importantly for me, had a fairly absolutist perspective on free speech, refusing to defederate with anything at all, preferring to leave the choice up to the user. Unfortunately for him and the users, the Irish government, where Vlemmy.net was hosted, has a less favorable view of certain communities that it inevitably federated with.

Because federation causes copies of content to be saved to each federated instance, he wound up finding out that certain communities hosted content that, once saved onto HIS server, would get him sentenced to the Irish equivalent of “Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison”. He defederated those instances, but the next day, Vlemmy.net was all but gone. His payment sites for donations now all lead to closed accounts, and I have not heard anything about anyone getting in contact with him.

The common understanding is that he got spooked by the potential legal ramifications, and either got a visit from the Irish authorities or was afraid of that possibility, and so chose to pre-emptively pull the plug. This all occured roughly two weeks ago.

DarkWasp,
@DarkWasp@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the issue with not defederating from some truly vile, reprehensible instances. It allows their users and content to potentially flood yours which is why there should be exceptions.

hitmyspot,

Well, at least lemmy seems to be basing servers in the tech hotbeds. Twitter, google, Facebook, Microsoft etc all have bases in Ireland.

Undearius,
@Undearius@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m going to guess that’s to avoid paying taxes as the big companies can use Ireland as a tax haven. Not the greatest thing to be associated with.

hitmyspot,

Lol, what taxes do you think the lemmy 8mstance would be paying? Ireland is not a tax haven and hasn’t been for quite a while. It does have a moderately low, but non zero, company tax rate, but that’s like saying Texas is a tax haven as their income tax is not the same as California.

Ireland has a well educated young workforce and is in the eu with ties to the USA and speaks English. It’s not odd that tech companies are there. It’s not shell companies there, it’s tech hubs.

Undearius,
@Undearius@lemmy.ca avatar

I should have clarified that I think Ireland is a tech hotbed for tax reasons, not that the Lemmy instance is there for tax reasons. I’m not trying to discredit the educated workforce in Ireland but I often see the words “taxes” and Ireland together when talking about the large tech companies.

skillissuer,

was any of that expected?

if you set up a shop and the rules are “anything goes”, the people that it will attract are people that were shown the door everywhere else. that’s because unless they are able to set up their own place, they have nowhere else to go. i understand this is motivated by anti-censorship views, but there are beneficial, noncontroversial kinds of censorship. nobody seems to be clutching their pearls when spambots, pedos, impersonators or isis recruitment videos are banned. it’s usually called “functional moderation”

i’m being charitable there and not assuming that it was weirdo instance from the get go. they should have however considered that scenario and maybe set up everything in a place that doesn’t seem to particularly care about content they had, whatever that was

this, along with nazi bar scenario, seems to be a very good argument for swift and preemptive defederation policies

can, (edited )

The day before it went down he posted that it was brought to his attention that animated content was illegal in his country. All of this could have been avoided if he properly researched his country’s laws before inviting all this.

skillissuer,

it’s either autocorrect or one of us is having stroke

PrinceHabib72,

It’s not that the people on vlemmy were “shown the door” everywhere else. It was merely the people who decided they wanted to choose for themselves which doors they would enter, and not be told by an admin they couldn’t enter certain doors. The instance I’m on now isn’t defederated with anything either, and if it ever does, I’ll find a new one that doesn’t. I don’t like being told which parts of the internet I’m not intelligent enough to decide for myself about how I feel. I can curate my own feed by simply blocking communities I don’t like, or by only subscribing to ones I do and browsing the Subscribed feed. I get burggit.moe and lemmygrad.ml and exploding-heads and all the other ones people don’t like, and if I see a community on any of them I don’t like, then it’s MY job to block it from my view, not an admins. I respect those who would like a more curated experience and there are instances for that, but don’t assume everyone who is in support of completely open federation is a pedo, nazi, socialist, fascist, or ANYTHING else. It just means they want to decide for themselves.

Blamemeta,

How is the uptime on feddit? I might switch.

PrinceHabib72,

I have yet to notice downtime, and I browse pretty often. It’s pretty fast, too. I haven’t noticed any major slowdown.

skillissuer,

vlemmy wasn’t shown the door anywhere, but instead vlemmy wasn’t showing the door to anyone either. i can block exploding heads and such, but this only prevents me from seeing their rancid behaviour, it’s still there. for the same reason in fb private groups if you block admins it’s customary to ban you, because everything you do flies under their radar

you might block exploding-heads; but they will influence people that didn’t, and you’ll have no idea. i don’t think it’s practical approach to moderation and community building. exploding-heads were defederated from .world for exact this reason: they would say “oh if this bothers you just block them” but this misses the point completely. they went there to recruit new people and weren’t concerned too much about contributing, instead they saw .world entirely as pool of people yet to be radicalized. if you blocked them as they wanted, that would just decrease their criticism

and that was just a single instance with 30? fuckups to its name when it happened. vlemmy was willingly getting in contact with many more, this is not sustainable. yes, not giving nazis a platform is a good idea, i thought it was already common knowledge

Echinoderm,

It’s not about you feeling like a big kid or feeling over protected. It’s not the subscriber that is left sitting with a server full of illegal material if someone subscribes to that sort of content, it’s the instance owner, and they will be the ones that end up risking prison

If you want federation with everything, then make your own instance which hosts copies of child abuse, terrorist and hate material. But don’t criticise admins for not wanting to risk jail time so you can feel uncensored.

PrinceHabib72,

I… Didn’t criticize them? I’m very confused where your vitriol came from.

Echinoderm,

It was merely the people who decided they wanted to choose for themselves which doors they would enter, and not be told by an admin they couldn’t enter certain doors.

I don’t like being told which parts of the internet I’m not intelligent enough to decide for myself about how I feel.

and if I see a community on any of them I don’t like, then it’s MY job to block it from my view, not an admins.

I can’t see a sensible way to read your comments as anything but critical of admins who choose not to federate with all instances.

My so-called vitriol is because I appreciate that by running an instance, admins are providing a service to me while bearing the brunt of the financial and legal responsibilities that go with that. If I don’t like how they run it, it’s incumbent on me to get out of their house and move into my own rather than complaining.

PrinceHabib72,

Did you miss where I said this?

I respect those who would like a more curated experience and there are instances for that

Bondrewd,

Free speech absolutism kind of works to the extent communism does. It makes you do absolutely lunatic shit.

hamsterkill,

I actually wonder whether he had trouble blocking the instance he intended to, and just shut down vlemmy instead in the end. It’s pretty strange he just disappeared from everything, though.

elscallr, in OotL: What's going on in Hollywood?
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

They’re striking. Collective bargaining negotiations broke down with the studios ostensibly negotiating in bad faith. It started with the Writer’s Guild, and then SAG jumped in after the studios basically told the WGA to go piss up a rope.

argentcorvid,
@argentcorvid@midwest.social avatar

One of the issues that was reported on about the SAG (actor’s union) strike was the studios trying to get actors to agree to be face scanned for CGI in exchangs for a one- time payment with no royalties or residuals and no other rights

Alenalda,

I’m behind the strikers 100% but it would be real nice to be able to collect royalties forever for the product of my labor.

murrrkle,

To be fair there’s product of your labor and then there’s your labor is literally your likeness. We gotta get ahead of AI regulation cause oh man it’s ripe for exploitation of likenesses

GaleFromCali,

Thanks, but what started these strikes in the first place? Was there a key event that started this whole thing?

TheFlopster,
@TheFlopster@lemmy.world avatar

I believe it was a regularly scheduled contract negotiation (because the previous contract was about to expire), and no agreement was reached for the terms of the new contract.

MKBandit,

Streaming doesn’t pay enough residuals. So companies just keep all the money instead of fairly paying the artists

AllonzeeLV, (edited ) in OotL: What's going on in Hollywood?

The media oligarchs are tired of giving crumbs to the actors that make their content and create their wealth.

They would prefer to give aspiring actors a day’s pay to scan their likeness, own that person’s likeness in perpetuity to generate with AI, and that aspiring actor can go find another career or can fuck off and die as far as they’re concerned.

Humanity’s tolerance for encouragement of insatiable, sociopathic greed will be humanity’s end, and given the current climate, it’s coming soon. Insatiable greed is a destructive disease.

We should look at high level millionaires and billionaires the same way we look at practicing pedophiles, as people with a dangerous disorder they lack the capacity to suppress that need to be stopped, restrained, and treated so they don’t continue to harm the rest of the population. Instead half of us deify them, it’s bonkers.

magmaus3, in what is r/place?

r/place was/is an popular reddit event where there’s a canvas where everyone can place a pixel every minute (iirc).

MrJameGumb, in what is r/place?
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a subreddit where people can add pixels to a big blank canvas to make a community image. It’s something Reddit only does every few years. People are using it to protest because it was put up in the middle of Spez actively destroying Reddit to get it ready to sell in the IPO.

This was in fact a stroke of genius on Reddits part because all those protesters who ran to log in and show their discontent did nothing but boost Reddits engagement figures and make it look like all the previous protests failed and that Reddit is more popular than ever.

If you’re really upset about the changes to Reddit the best thing you can do is STOP USING REDDIT. People don’t seem to care though as long as they get to graffiti a swear word onto a digital wall…

chrizbie,
@chrizbie@lemmy.nz avatar

Thanks guys for the explanation, strange, I’d been on Reddit for more than 10 years and I didn’t know about r/place

MrJameGumb, (edited )
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t feel bad about not noticing it, r/place is usually only accessible for around 72 hours. After that it goes away for a few years until someone way up the ladder decides to grace us with it’s presence again lol

YoBuckStopsHere,
@YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

The first time they did it, it was fun. Now it is just bots doing everything.

CeruleanRuin, in what is r/place?
@CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine there’s a big public square and everyone is encouraged to draw on it in with chalk of any color. Except you only get one tiny fragment of chalk every five minutes.

Hard to make anything meaningful, huh?

So people coordinate, usually via discord chat. Someone comes up with a pattern, maps it onto coordinates on this square, and users go out and put down their mark at preselected coordinates, and others mark on top of it, and the most coordinated communities succeed in creating and maintaining coherent images - which are usually ads for their own community. Or flags. Or anime characters. Or something else just as mind-numbingly boring.

Because it’s difficult to maintain any real estate on this square with so many people throwing chalk everywhere, communities build robots to go make their chalk marks for them. You get your chalk piece and you give it to a bot and it goes out and puts it in the proper coordinates. Individuals can still make marks, but they usually only last a few moments before a bot or community horde of zombie people come by and place their marks over it.

And this boring nonsense goes on for a few days until the admins decide arbitrarily that the event is over.

chrizbie,
@chrizbie@lemmy.nz avatar

Lol I can feel your distain and and as I was reading it I also thought to myself “this sounds painfully boring and needlessly technical”

CeruleanRuin,
@CeruleanRuin@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll admit it’s interesting to watch these efforts coalleswue into a mosaic of vaguely coherent digital graffiti, but actually participating is tedious and frustrating as heck.

Froody, in What is happening with "small towns" and some country singer?

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    What makes you think OP is pretending to not know about this?

    Froody,

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  • Cheems,
    @Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

    Dude just block this community and drink some water.

    Electric_Druid,

    Why are you even here?

    zachimusprime44,

    Why the fuck are you even here then?

    Danatronic,

    What is the point of this sub if people just tell you to Google it?

    Froody,

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    Why are you here?

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  • zeppo, (edited ) in What is happening with "small towns" and some country singer?
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    Some dumbass made a country song with the usual horrifyingly cliched sort of lyrics, in this case lines such as

    ”Try that in a small town/ See how far ya make it down the road/ Around here, we take care of our own.”

    “Got a gun that my granddad gave me/ They say one day they’re gonna round up/ Well that shit might fly in the city/ Good luck.”

    The problem is where the video was set, and contents (many modern protests). WP sums it up as

    Accusations of racism prompted a country music channel to pull the video, which is set at the site of an infamous lynching and race riot. But Republicans are embracing Aldean.

    washingtonpost.com/…/jason-aldean-song-video-pull…

    I had no idea btw, if it helps I searched DDG for “small town country music” and then went to the News tab.

    Viking_Hippie,
    VeganSchnitzel,

    Thanks for the summary! My bad, didn’t think “small town country music” would’ve been specific enough to go off, but guess I underestimated the algorithm again. Should’ve at least tried according to some of these responses I guess

    zeppo,
    @zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

    Seemed likely to me that those words would show up in news articles about the issue.

    Viking_Hippie, in What is happening with "small towns" and some country singer?

    Who’s this about? Just a small town girl living in a lonely world? I hear she took the midnight train going anywhere…

    HobbitFoot,

    It’s about a city boy, born and raised in South Detroit. He took the midnight train going anywhere.

    Viking_Hippie,

    As long as neither of them cease their credulity, it’s fine by me 🤷

    JavaTea, in What is happening with "small towns" and some country singer?
    @JavaTea@feddit.nl avatar

    Be kind people.

    There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people.

    Psiczar, in what's up with this whole "X" rebranding?

    With Facebook Threads being the new kid on the block and after all the bad publicity, rebranding Twitter was probably seen as a good PR move.

    punkisundead,

    It feels like Musk believes that its more important for people to talk about Twitter than actually to use it.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Or it would be in a parallel dimension where reactionary panic moves that are also stupid when seen in isolation would be considered good PR 🤷

    jesterraiin, in what's up with this whole "X" rebranding?

    Just Elon Eloning his Elonism to Eloning levels.

    More seriously: Elon decided it’s a good move to rebrand his new toy. Nobody knows for sure what’s going through his head. It’s probably some sort of OCD, or something…

    Lemmylefty,
    @Lemmylefty@lemmy.world avatar

    I want to start a rumor that he was just born a Lon but added the E to make himself look cooler.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Sounds like something he’d do tbh

    NoisyOne57, in what's up with this whole "X" rebranding?

    Musk previously owned an online banking site known as x.com, which would later merge with PayPal, another service founded by Musk, which then became a separate entity with Musk no longer being involved it.

    And when Musk was forced to complete the purchase of Twitter, he announced plans to make Twitter into a “Super app” like China’s WeChat application, which can be used for payments.

    Musk’s hyperfocus on X might also be because when he was in his twenties, everything “cool” was having an X in it, like XForce and stuff like that.

    He also wanted to create his X Corp company to have a single X as its name, but he couldn’t do that because there was an Alphabet company already using that name.

    uniqueid198x,

    Musk didn’t found PayPal. X.com merged with Confinity, another online financial site (founded by Peter Thiel and others). Confinity had already begun development of PayPal at that time. In the resulting company, still called X.com, there was a series of leadership conflicts, with Musk pushing out CEO Bill Harris to become CEO, before himself being replaced by Peter Thiel. It was under Thiel that the company changed it’s name to PayPal, and later went public. By the time there was a company called “PayPal”, Musk was not longer involved with daily operations.

    Plaid_Kaleidoscope,
    @Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world avatar

    Peter thiel did PayPal.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    everything “cool” was having an X in it, like XForce and stuff like that.

    Like that show Wormhole Xtreme

    MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown,

    Indeed

    wmrch,

    I’m a simple man. I see Stargate reference I press little up arrow.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    "Hey, it's what I do"

    STUPIDVIPGUY,

    that doesn’t make it less dumb

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    It feels more 1990s Xtreme! wannabe than anything, but what would I know

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