mightyfoolish,

Lemmy.ml grew too large during the early days of June. They started to recommend people to NOT sign up for lemmy.ml and find another instance. The next instance that stood out was beehaw which rejected signups if they didn’t like your answer as to why you wanted to join. After that, lemmy.world stood out the most.

Xero,
@Xero@infosec.pub avatar

Also because the political leanings of the lemmy.ml mods offended a lot of former redditors, including myself.

0xD,

And why exactly did it do that? Their political stance has no part in the development or the management of the instance.

Yendor,

They delete any criticism of Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

0xD,

Lmao holy shit.

Eldritch,

And Russia is fascist/capitalist these days. The reactionary kneejerk is real.

phoneymouse,

The lemmy devs are hardcore communists

wet_squid,

When I had to choose I thought .world means, it‘s the central, most important place to be. Didn‘t know what the other abbreviations meant. Didn‘t care.

reev,

They’re just top Level Domains (TLDs). It’s like .com, doesn’t mean anything outside of a name usually.

BaroqueInMind,
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar

The other abbreviations are simply website domains. FYI the ".ml" from the mail lemmy dev means Marxist-Leninist, because they are tankies.

Metaright,
@Metaright@kbin.social avatar

How do we know that? Have they said so?

Silviecat44,

ml is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Mali. Introduced 29 September 1993 Intended use Entities connected with Mali Actual use Sees some use in Mali and for some websites about machine learning. Use is relatively rare elsewhere. Registration restrictions Yes, for free domains only

spark947,

By keeping sign-ups open, mostly.

Lemmy.ml, to my understanding, was always meant to be a pilot instance from the devs of lemmy. Beehaw is kind of its own forum. There is also sh.itjust.works, but that has been caught up in some federation drama, and I don’t think people like the name. Lemmy.world has been the right server at the right time to absorb everyone and I guess they have been able to keep up with sign-ups. Kudos to them.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

federation drama

Not really. We had a thedonald community for like 5 hours before it was banned, and a tiny number of people started shouting about how terrible we are because we don’t read the minds of people joining.

Also, we’re trying to run this instance democratically, and the first vote is a pretty easy no-brainer: defederate a hate speech instance. Not really “drama” as much as everyone has an opinion.

You can check out the discussion on the agora, the vast majority of the discussion is very respectful.

EDIT: Discussion I’m talking about is here.

spark947,

I’m talking about on other instances, who are trying to figure out if they are defederating.

Clikes,

I was overwhelmed by the options of instances. Then Reddit is Fun had a pop up message suggesting to go to lemmy.world. I trusted Reddit is Fun so I followed its suggestion.

ryannathans,

Plus it’s easier to say and communicate “lemmy world”

Mr_Blott,

Funny how a lot of us originally found Reddit through watermarks on pics on Ebaum’s World. Maybe worth flooding reddit with pics watermarked lemmy.world

Zippy,

Someone should make a bot that randomly scrapes Reddit main subs to seed articles on here. Just to get more content. I have been doing so manually using old Reddit occasionally.

That being said, even in the last week I been seeing a great deal of more content. Now would like to see more communities.

dodgypast,

I’ve unsubscribed from a couple of communities that did that. They were flooded with content that no one would discuss.

TheButtonJustSpins,

Already available; you can request subs at !requests. The lemmit.online instance is dedicated to replicating content over. It’s awesome.

ryannathans,

Genius

Zippy,

I open today rif accidently and it started to work again. Logged out mind you. Got a weird message with instructions to log back into my Reddit account. Was able to browse Reddit as a guest on the meanwhile. Didn’t want to log back in as fuck Reddit.

Did rif sell to Reddit? Couldn’t blame him if he did but all the same I am leaving. Just can’t see how rif would still work without Reddit owning his servers. Anyone know what is going on?

purplemonkeymad,

I don’t know, but it might be that Reddit is only limiting API keys for authenticated sessions. That way the anonymous requests still work up to the free API rate limits.

zeppo,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit wasn’t interested in buying any of the 3rd party apps. Since you know, apparently they’re so great at making apps that there were a dozen third party ones that people preferred.

flamekhan,

The developer for RIF told me to come here. I figured that I should trust the person that created the app that I’ve used for hundreds of hours.

Quill0,
@Quill0@lemmy.digitalfall.net avatar

My exact reason. Had the popup show.

Then I created my own instance

GoosLife,

Same. Like the parent of a child grown up, RIF has been forced to let us go, but not without influencing our direction lol

The_Jit,

I was already playing around with Lemmy, and after a few weeks I checked back into RIF and saw his post, so I came over to .World.

rimlogger,

Lemmy.ml is run by tankies who brook no criticism of Russia for its conduct of the war in Ukraine. I was on there, saw posts about the war being deleted and users who raise even pointed criticism at the mods/admins for their Russophilia get banned.

Max_UL,
@Max_UL@lemmy.pro avatar

Fun fact: those tankies are also the developers of Lemmy overall… sigh

rimlogger,

To the developers’ credit, it’s not like they actively promote their own views on the war and Russia openly. But they don’t want others to discuss the war on their instance and have moderated such discussions with a heavy hand.

NightOwl,

Yeah, the fact that lemmy.world and many other instances exist with content that the devs might not like is proof that they wrote something where their own personal views don’t affect the independence of each instance to run the way it wants.

Sinnerman,

I mean... forbidding any discussion of unpopular actions taken by Russia is pretty much an example of promoting their own views.

Max_UL,
@Max_UL@lemmy.pro avatar

Yep agreed.

penix,

Shitty people tend to clump together.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The lemmy devs have said they dont bring politics into their dev work and are happy to work with anyone.

Lemmy is also an open source application that can be forked at anytime.

It’s also using the activity pub protocol which means that any application can interact with the entire fediverse.

You can use kbin if you are still uncomfortable with lemmy then you can sign up to a kbin instance and view all the content you would view from a lemmy instance.

Max_UL,
@Max_UL@lemmy.pro avatar

Yeah I’m ok with it for now, and will chalk it up as some guys being young and idealistic with strange idiosyncratic or edgy views they might grow out of.

I’ve seen their statements trying to walk it back and they seem generally very well intentioned, I give it the benefit of doubt for now.

JasonDJ,

This is really seeming to look like “dev team was unclear that they didn’t want politics on their server. They removed comments critical of Russia. Group of people ran with this as evidence they are pro-Russia/Anti-Ukraine. dev team tried to clarify their policies but it’s too late and the PR Shitstorm already happened”.

Tough spot to be in as a “startup” FOSS platform but could totally infer that’s how it is playing out.

Max_UL,
@Max_UL@lemmy.pro avatar

It was all their own words though, not just content on the server, but anyhow no worry.

Silverseren,

Hence why I'm on Kbin. Ernest is so much better as a dev.

ozen,
@ozen@kbin.social avatar

kbin has been my favourite so far

Metaright,
@Metaright@kbin.social avatar

As long as it doesn't influence how they build the platform, them having absurd opinions isn't much of a problem for the users.

ProvokedGamer,
@ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s the whole point of the Fediverse. If their absurd opinions don’t appeal to you, you can block them or defederate their instance and not have them affect you (or your instance if you’re an admin).

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Kbin is an alternative. Totally different software.

JackBruhhh,
@JackBruhhh@lemmy.world avatar

I see no political posts on that instance. Might be that politics are banned on the instance?

rimlogger,

Yeah such posts are banned but if I recall, there was no explicit rule against them until a mod came out and said such posts were against the rules. To the best of my recollection, anyways.

Max_UL,
@Max_UL@lemmy.pro avatar

When I first can to Lemmy there was a good bit of it, I think since then it’s been drowned out by all the less extreme folks.

CylonBunny,
@CylonBunny@lemmy.world avatar

I’m okay with the devs being communists as it means they aren’t likely to sell out to corporate interests!

AFKBRBChocolate,

I signed up on the 12th, after spending a little time comparing with the information I had. My thought process was:

  • I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
  • I thought a larger instance might mean it sticks around longer, but didn’t really want to be on the largest (which .ml was)
  • Beehaw seemed otherwise a good fit, but their policies seemed too restrictive
  • .world seemed to have liberal policies, allowed NSFW, was large but not largest, and was hosted in a country that didn’t worry me
ComradePorkRoll,

Can I ask what worries you about it being hosted on Malaysia?

AFKBRBChocolate,

I’m not any authority, and I could be just ignorant, but my understanding is that the Malaysian government makes liberal use of laws against sedition and that govern communication to silence dissent. There was an artist who has been jailed a couple times this year for political satire. That kind of atmosphere doesn’t seem like a good place to host communities that want free discussion.

ComradePorkRoll,

That’s a pretty valid reason, I’ll have to look into it more as I already created an account on .ml. While I do call myself an anarchist/communist, I don’t zealously jump at the defense of a government without nuancing the situation.

JasonDJ,

Excep .ml isn’t the TLD for Malaysia… .my is. .ml is Mali.

And TLDs have little to do with where stuff is hosted. .it is Italy and .ai is Anguilla, but not always by Italian or Anguillan companies.

ComradePorkRoll,

I knew that .ml stand for “Marxist-Lenninist” and now that I realize the other lem thought .ml meant it’s being hosted in Malaysia I’m cracking up. That’s a fun mishap.

rumckle,

Malaysian police are also asking Interpol to help them investigate a comedian in New York over a joke she made about Malaysia. www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65894721

kat,

They haven’t asked for extradition yet, but it worries me that they could ask for extradition from the US just because a US citizen made a mean joke that hurt their feelings. If they asked, would the US comply? Seems pretty anti-free-speech if they did.

zeppo,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

It’s decidedly not hosted in malaysia. I’m also unclear why that would be a problem though.

Mewtwo,
@Mewtwo@lemmy.world avatar

I love how World and Blahaj are lgbt friendly and anti authoritarianism, unlike .ml.

nosedive,

I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia

Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn’t hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.

AFKBRBChocolate,

Wow, thanks for that, I really thought .ml was Malaysia. While I had some mild concerns about Malaysia, isn’t Mali a shit show as far as human rights? If the servers are in France, that mitigates a lot, but I think I have more concerns about Mali.

nosedive,

The country of Mali has little to do with lemmy.ml, apart from an annual transaction worth 10 USD.

CylonBunny,
@CylonBunny@lemmy.world avatar

Mali has nothing to do with the instance though. Every country has a top level domain, like .CA or .UK etc. Most of them you have to pay to make a website using the domain. Mali is one country that lets anybody use the ML domain for free. That’s the only reason Lemmy.ml uses it, they have nothing to do with Mali else-wise. (Well there is the bit about ML = Marxist Leninist, but that is a bit of a backronym.)

Dogeek,

For me ML stands for Machine Learning. Mali is sitting on a goldmine of a tld, and could turn into Tuvalu

AFKBRBChocolate,

Good to know, thanks

ProvokedGamer,
@ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca avatar

Ya. I’m pretty sure they just took .ml because it was a cheaper domain, but someone’ll have to correct me on that.

ugh,

The admins of .ml are tankies. The letters don’t reference a place, they reference a couple of communist leaders who the admins are fans of. I’m surprised that more people aren’t aware of that on this platform.

iByteABit,

I don’t think it stands for either, I saw somewhere that it stands for Marx-Lenin since the founders are communists

stukvergiet,

Classic communists, making their own tlds and everything

gigachad,

It is indeed a Mali domain, but of course people choose their domains because of their niche community - in case of .ml, it often stands for "Machine Learning". In this case I am pretty sure you are right and it is meant to represent " Marxist/Leninist" in this case, it is known that the instance admins are close to that ideology.

GregorGizeh,

Would you feel better if they were communists and chose something completely neutral instead, like .io?

That’s such an arbitrary thing to be concerned about

iByteABit,

I’m not implying anything, I’m just stating a fact (or at least what I think is a fact)

Gigs,

It’s intended to stand for Marxist - Leninist, is what I heard. I didn’t want to support a tankie thing which is why I went to world.

DarkWasp,
@DarkWasp@lemmy.world avatar

This is pretty much the same thought pattern I had, however I made my account here after Beehaw defederated and have since decided not to use it anymore. Lemmy.world reminds me so much of the older style internet and forums and it’s a breath of fresh air.

lumberjacked,
@lumberjacked@lemmy.world avatar

I left Beehaw because the defederated from instances where half my communities were at. Ended up on Lemmy world because they had my favorites.

jubilationtcornpone,

I started at BeeHaw because they have a lot of cool communities. I didn’t want to write an essay (I’m exaggerating …a little) to sign up for an account so I ended up on sh.itjust.works.

Thafirton,

Haha same. I started at beehaw but am having a hard time manually adding communities that I want to keep in that feed since they aren’t onfederated instances. So I moved to sh.ithust.works and reddthat.

I’ll probably keep beehaw, I like a lot of what it has to offer and it’s cool for it to be a specific corner for me. But one of the others will probably become my default home

Shartacus,

At this point I don’t know how I got here and where I’m going and I’m too afraid to ask

Saturn,
@Saturn@lemmy.world avatar

I think most of it has to do with that lemmy.world has better hardware than other instances. The admin Rudd has a lot of experience running federated services as well. So it may be his first rodeo lemmy-wise but not hosting a federated service with a large user-base.

So when a lot of smaller instances started getting overwhelmed and stopping signups, lemmy.world was going strong without the performance issues that other instances might see.

That along with the fact that NSFW content is allowed makes lemmy.world a good alternative for Reddit refugees looking for something stable with a similar set of rules as well.

I myself joined lemmy.ml at first, then beehaw.org when lemmy.ml asked everyone to spread out, and finally found home on lemmy.world because I didn’t really like how downvotes are disabled on beehaw. Not to mention the defederation that beehaw has done recently. Although I can understand and appreciate why they’ve done that.

Mereo,

Indeed. Even though I’m using the Lemmy.ca instance to distribute the load, I use Ruud’s Mastodon instance.

fidodo,

I’ve signed up for a bunch of them and still haven’t decided where I want to make my main. I know that annoys some people but I love it because it means I get to have a choice! I think I’ll have a Lemmy world account since they’re big, buti also want to find a good smaller community to have slower more meaningful conversations. I hope the Lemmy protocol adds support for account linking some day.

Richard,

I’ve signed up for a bunch of them and still haven’t decided where I want to make my main.

Same story for me, although I keep coming back to Lemmy.world in the first instance, at least for the Lemmy instances (also explored kbin, tildes and squabbles). Mixed feelings about Lemmy.ml as I think there’s virtue being on the instance the devs run as it seems unlikely to go away, although there has been the talks around political views. From the political side, I do hang out more often than not in tech spaces though so I doubt it’d actually impact anything I’d want to engage in discussion about.

Also have an account with Beehaw which was my first but silly as it may seem, the name of that one puts me off a bit. “Lemmy.world” sounds like something I can more easily communicate to a friend verbally, for whatever that is worth.

orivar,

I’ve moved once so far, but it wasn’t as straightforward forward as I’d hoped. Do you know of a simple way to migrate (export/import) communities and settings across instances?

can,

There’s a userscript somewhere.

WhoRoger,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren’t meant to be a general instance.

Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.

SwallowsDick, (edited )

It’s also presented as the default on most apps, I believe

andrewta,

That’s a big one. People tend to go with the default

SwallowsDick,

That’s why the apps on the official stores are so important. Convenience wins.

TurnItOff_OnAgain,

Rule of the defaults. Most people use whatever the default is. That’s why there is always a push to he the default thing. Microsoft pushes edge on their stuff, Google pushes chrome, apps pushes safari, etc.

ProvokedGamer,
@ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s also why Google pays Apple $20 billion annually to be Safari’s default search engine. Most people can’t be bothered to change their defaults/don’t want to after having it as their default for so long.

dukethorion,
@dukethorion@lemmy.one avatar

That’s a problem that will reveal itself later. Decentralization goes away when everyone flocks to one server. Turns into Reddit 2.0

Drunemeton,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.

can,

And the other stuff

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.

Pavidus,

Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.

jaqque,

I joined because lemmy.sdf.org is often inaccessible. And also because lemmy.sdf.org blocked lemmy.world, so why not go straight to the source?

0ddysseus,

Seconded

Filthmontane,

And ml is?

TechnoBabble,

Motherland if I’m not mistaken.

grozzle,

the national tld for Mali, but the lemmy ml owners chose it for a “Marxist-Leninist” reference. no kidding.

fun fact - they* also deny genocides committed by (even nominally) communist regimes.

*a lot of them, and even those who don’t actively, still stick with the goons who do.

sgtlighttree,

Oh dear, and I thought it was somehow related to machine learning/AI stuff

jablaxlgargl,

Do you have a source for that?

Filthmontane,

That’s awesome. I am also a Communist that denies genocides. I guess I better pop on over to lemmy.ml

SojournerWeaver,

The real answer here in the comments. Glad I went with world. Though I only did it because it seemed like more people would gravitate toward thag name than the others.

Riprif,

The top level domain of the Metherlands

Laticauda,

Idk about other people, but I don’t really know how the instances work and the lemmy.world instance name seems the least abstract. Beehaw was confusing because it’s not called lemmy so idk if it’s a different thing or what, and idk what .ml means or stands for. Lemmy.world just looks like it’s the default lemmy instance to me as a dunce who doesn’t know how lemmy works.

siriuslyred,

Fellow Dunce here, exact same thought process for me.

Wabbitsmiles,

Not sure what’s a dunce, but I guess I’m one too as I concur

spectrologist,

Similar for me – but add onto it, when I joined, lemmy.world was the only one of the top 3 most populated instances (with lemmy.ml and beehaw) that had open registration

PagingDoctorLove,

Well put! I’m still very confused about “instances,” and the way people talk about them makes it seem like you need to sign up for each one? But that can’t be right, that would be way too confusing! Right? Lol.

Lemmy.world also seems like the best place to ask questions. Everyone I’ve encountered has been very helpful, and I see a lot of people talking about how positive the community is. So I’m trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride!

pinwurm,
@pinwurm@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine phone companies. An instance is like Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile or any other provider.

If you want to talk to your friends, it doesn’t really matter what instance they’re on.
A Verizon customer can still call a AT&T customer no problem. A Verizon customer doesn’t need to also sign up for AT&T to do that. It all just… works.

People talking about different instances is like people talking about different phone companies. “Verizon’s coverage is better” or “T-Mobile has better support” or that kinda thing.

Thepolish,

All the analogies to mobile providers reminds me of the time when they’re was no interoperability for mms. Sms iirc worked but you better have the same company as a friend if you wanted to send that grainy vga photo you just took with your fancy new razr.

Riprif,

And are usernames unique across instances or can anyone copy anyone else’s username by signing up somewhere else with the same name or just making a new instance?

PagingDoctorLove,

Yes! I have the same exact question.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I see nobody else explained, so I might as well.

Each instance has their own users, communities and rules. A user can subscribe to any community on any instance that’s not blocked. Sometimes it’s important to know the rules of the instance the community is on, because different things are allowed.

If I’m a user on lemmy.srv.eco, for example, I can still subscribe to any lemmy.world community and post/comment/vote just like a lemmy.world user.

The only real downside of being on a smaller instance is that you’ll have to do a bit more work actively subscribing to things. An instance only pulls in a community if at least one user subscribes to it. On a big server, your all is very full of communities as there are more people subscribing to more diverse things. On a smaller instance, you’ll need to do that yourself.

The advantage of being on a smaller instance is that with less load on the server, it’ll work much faster.

Couchman,
@Couchman@lemmy.world avatar

I was introduced to lemmy.world thru RIF. Ive been trying to figure it out ever since

goat,

Hey dude, berserk!

dimlo,

Ml sounds like short for make love to me, and world is pretty cool domain name.

diskmaster23,

Mother Lover.

n3m37h,

I’m on a boat!

TORFdot0, (edited )

Lemmy.ml had sign ups closed. Behaw required a short story or something to get accepted. Lemmy.world was accepting sign-ups wasn’t hosted somewhere shady and had active communities. It was a pretty easy choice. Assuming the admins have a pledge drive or something to host on AWS/GCP so we can get better burst capabilities I’d love to donate.

halo5,

Donations to keep the lemmy.world instance up-and-running can be made through:

https://opencollective.com/mastodonworldor https://patreon.com/mastodonworld

@ruud does good work, and he’s a HELL of a good admin. I’d recommend that we all contribute in order to have a place to gather. I’ve been looking at the various solutions to the Reddit conundrum and, personally, I think that lemmy.world is our best bet at this point…

EDIT: I have no affiliation; I just think that we should pay it back however we can. It costs money to run servers and, even if we just “buy him a coffee,” every little bit helps IMO.

TORFdot0,

@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.

I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.

TORFdot0,

@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.

I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.

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