Data privacy: how to counter the "I have nothing to hide" argument?

I know data privacy is important and I know that big corporations like Meta became powerful enough to even manipulate elections using our data.

But, when I talk to people in general, most seem to not worry because they “have nothing to hide”, and most are only worried about their passwords, banking apps and not much else.

So, why should people worry about data privacy even if they have “nothing to hide”?

unpainted_apple,

My colleague gave me that response. I asked if I could go through his off-facebook activities for fun. “Sure, got nothing to hide” About 5 seconds in he could bare it and asked me to leave him alone. Lol

MooseBoys,

A lot of the rebuttals in this thread are non-sensical. Why would I let someone use my phone for no reason?

When people say they don’t care about privacy, they don’t really mean it. What they mean is they are willing to sacrifice some of it for the sake of convenience, safety, or something else they find valuable. That’s certainly a valid trade-off to make. If you’re trying to convince someone they should care more about privacy, that entirely depends on the person.

Noktpapilio,

I usually reply with “Cool, you won’t mind if I install a camera in your bathroom then”

Thrawne,

Almost a throw away line, but in the original Red Dawn the invading commander issues orders to seize govt records on gun holders as a target.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Cite historical examples of seemingly innocuous and public information falling into the wrong hands.

e.g. The Nazis used demographic records (marriages, births, christenings, etc.) in conquered lands to ID Jews and other “undesirables”.

Platomus,

The couldn’t the person just cite all the times that hasn’t happened?

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

I don’t think so. Examples of it happening demonstrate that it can happen. OTHO, examples of it not happening does not demonstrate that it cannot happen.

Platomus,

Just because it has a chance to happen doesn’t mean it’s an inevitability.

Feels like an example of confirmation bias.

I’m not even saying I agree. I think privacy is important. I’m just playing devil’s advocate for the OPs question.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

It doesn’t have to be inevitable in order to serve as an example of what can happen when even seemingly innocuous information falls into the wrong hands. It’s happened before, and the consequences were horrifying. It will happen again, particularly if people refuse to learn from the examples of history.

Information is knowledge. Knowledge is power. And power in the wrong hands is dangerous.

Platomus,

That feels like a scapegoat argument. That reduces down to “bad things happen when bad people do bad things.”

You can argue against anything when you say that.

"Dentists should be outlawed because some dentists have abused their clients " Isn’t a fair argument either.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

That is not a fair or accurate characterization of what I have been saying.

Platomus,

How could you explain it better for an argument then?

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

That historic examples such as the Nazis, the Japanese-American internment, and the Rwanda genocide should guide us when deciding what sorts of large-scale demographic data harvesting we as a society want to allow in the first place. That the “right to privacy” in this case is not about personal privacy but of collective privacy.

Which is why even people who “have nothing to hide” should care about privacy rights.

Platomus,

That’s just reiterating the same thing without expanding on it.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

This strongly suggests that you already understood me perfectly well, and never needed clarification.

Platomus,

Nowhere did I say I misunderstood.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

If you understood then your previous characterization of what I’ve been saying was willfully dishonest.

Platomus,

Bro. I’m asking you to exlain how so.

You just reiterated something I already understood.

Gahd damn, I thought the Reddit mentality of wanting to always be right would go away with the smaller community of Lemmy.

Reread this thread man. From the beginning.

charonn0, (edited )
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

This is how you characterized what I’ve said:

That feels like a scapegoat argument. That reduces down to “bad things happen when bad people do bad things.”

You can argue against anything when you say that.

"Dentists should be outlawed because some dentists have abused their clients " Isn’t a fair argument either.

Please explain how this bears any resemblance whatsoever to what you have already admitted is what I actually said.

Kissaki,
@Kissaki@feddit.de avatar

You have to put the risks into context with upsides. Dentists serve a verifiable and vast positive. Can you equate that to sharing personal information?

IMO at least not generally, as a generic statement.

cynetri,
@cynetri@midwest.social avatar

And (if they’re American) when they go “well, MY government wouldn’t do that!” counter with how Meta has already, numerous times, gotten people arrested for talking about getting abortions on Facebook

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

The US government used Census Bureau information to identify Japanese-Americans.

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

One I came across a while ago is simple - Curtains. We all close ourselves to the outside world.

atomWood,

I like that comparison. It even allows you to explain that there are different levels of privacy.

Leaving the curtains open at night, while you have a light on, really opens you up to the world. But then opening the curtains a smidge during the day to let the light in at least serves a purpose.

3ntranced,

Just ask them for their phone. Don’t say what for.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I have nothing to hide, just as surely as I am Hollywood superstar Margot Robbie, currently on strike from promoting my new movie [REDACTED] on Lemmy!

NuPNuA,

“Unlock your phone and let me look though then”

BaroquenRecorder,

“You have nothing to hide until the government decides you do.” And by then it’ll be too late to hide it.

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

“It makes your internet faster you dum.”

-Me when someone asks “what all that stuff does?”

mycelium_underground,
@mycelium_underground@lemmy.ml avatar

“I have nothing to hide”

“cool, let me have your credit card number and billing address”

Takumidesh,

Social security number, all of your tax records, banks statements, and purchase histories, your menstrual cycle timings, medical history, all the photos of your children, a copy of your house and car keys, oh and, let me know when you leave your house and when you are going to back…

MossBear,

I think part of the issue is that people in general don’t think very much beyond themselves. To be sure, privacy issues do affect them personally whether they acknowledge it or not, but it also has implications for the sort of society in which we live and what’s permissible for companies and governments to do. That affects everyone. In terms of how to get people to care about things on that level, clever memes is probably more likely to sway people than elaborate persuasive arguments. They’re just more effective at getting ideas into people’s minds when they’d otherwise not think about them at all.

thepianistfroggollum,

Ask them if you can just come into their house at random and start pawing through their underwear drawer.

I mean, it’s underwear. Almost everyone wears it, so what do they have to hide?

Sethayy,

I got nothing to hide in my asshole either, doesn’t mean I want you rifling around through there. Its creepy

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