shadowspirit,
reallynotnick,

Call their bluff, they won’t leave.

Kahlenar,

They literally won’t. They’ll set their rates at “profitable” numbers and leave their computers on, just like everywhere else.

But if the apparatus of the people (government) backs down then it’ll be another total failure of government.

RagingNerdoholic,

Good fucking riddance.

ilikekeyboards,

Pretty sure that would benefit General Motors and the Petrol giants.

Fewer ways of transportation? More people buying cars! Vroom vroom goes the planet!

Fiivemacs,

Ok bye! Nobody needs overpriced services that underpay all employees.

ProfessorProteus,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t keep up with Uber news, but do they still not consider their drivers to be actual employees, but rather 1099 workers? Either way that company can go to hell.

Lyft too if they have the same attitude.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

Good. If business plan relies on exploiting workers, then it’s a garbage business plan & deserves to fail.

tron,

While I think this should pass, don’t hold your breath. Mayor Frey will probably veto it. He’s a very moderate, business friendly Democrat and our governor also vetoed a similar bill from the state legislature earlier this year. Right or wrong, they are concerned that any disruption of Uber/Lyft services would be extremely detrimental to people who depend on them. Public transportation in MN is really bad and this is one of the major ways people get around.

archomrade,

Right or wrong, they are concerned that any disruption of Uber/Lyft services would be extremely detrimental to people who depend on them. Public transportation in MN is really bad and this is one of the major ways people get around.

Having come from Iowa, the twin cities public transit is more than adequate for most commuters, and I strongly disagree with it being “really bad”. I’m honestly aghast at the suggestion that people might use Uber of Lyft with enough regularity to impact day-to-day commuting. My wife elects to use the public buses into downtown from the suburbs out of convenience, even though her work provides downtown parking if she wanted it. Not saying it’ll have NO impact, but frankly I don’t think it’ll have much of one.

quindraco,

That’s a weird reaction. Why not just ignore the bill entirely? It’s not like a municipality has any viable enforcement mechanism against what amounts to a smartphone app.

Cleverdawny,

They can easily start fining Lyft and Uber.

cdf12345,

That’s a weird takeaway from this.

Govt: we believe that companies that employ people in our community should have to pay the established legal minimum wage.

Companies: we are only able to profit by paying non livable wages.

Lemmy user: yes company, keep exploiting your workers and breaking the laws all businesses have to follow, I mean they can’t really catch you.

reddig33,

“Govt: we believe that companies that employ people in our community should have to pay the established legal minimum wage.”

…Unless they are waiters or waitresses.

thepianistfroggollum,

Waiters and waitresses still get paid minimum wage (not tipped minimum) if their tips and wages are less than minimum wage.

Well, they’re supposed to at least.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Supposed to is the important part there, wage theft is depressingly common.

thepianistfroggollum,

Definitely true, which is why I included that line.

But, the truth is that if you’re not doing well enough as a server to hit minimum wage in tips, you’re probably going to get let go anyways. It’s stupid easy to get minimum wage in tips.

TheYear2525,

I’ll just do the rest of the thread, since it’s the same every time:

They actually do have to pay minimum wage if you don’t make at least that in tips.

Yeah, but if you try to get them to do it, they’ll fire you!

Being unwilling to stick up for your rights is a different claim entirely

Must be nice being privileged, asshole!

Must suck being too cowardly to stick up for yourself!

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iopq,

Lemmy so efficient, even the flame threads are prefilled for you

Brawndo,

That is a weird takeaway from this.

Government: We believe that you need to pay your workers more because we feel like it's not enough.

Companies: The workers agreed to the pay when they signed on. If you make us pay them more, we cannot afford to pay the workers without raising our rates to levels that people don't want to pay for.

Government: You will pay them more money.

Companies: We can't afford to do that so we will be pulling out of this area and now they will make exactly $0 and now people have fewer transportation options.

Government: We did it, we successfully raised people's earnings to $0! pats self on back for a job well done

cdf12345,

How is this any different than a fast food chain illegally paying someone under minimum wage? Then getting shut down for not acting legally?

If you can follow the laws, you don’t exist.

Everyone else has to play by the labor laws rules. If you can’t afford it, go out of business.

deur,

Stupid take, incredibly dumb.

Burn_The_Right,

Found the conservative!

thepianistfroggollum,

The problem with your scenario is that you’re assuming an increase in payroll expenses will have enough of an affect on the company’s profit margin for them to go negative.

This is almost never the case, and if your business can’t survive without paying slave wages, then your business doesn’t deserve to survive.

The truth is that companies don’t want to raise wages because they’re on a quest to hoard as much wealth as possible. Just look. The country is in a recession and corpos are reporting record profits.

steltek,

It’s at least worth pointing out that Uber in particular broke several laws to establish themselves in various markets and never suffered any real punishment.

Ertebolle,

Sure they do, they can fine them and if they don't comply they can go to state court to get it enforced. Individuals may be able to flout overdue tolls or traffic tickets or whatever for a while, but it's extremely easy to impose a fine on a public corporation.

Saneless,

If every business in Ohio left that cried about some laws there wouldn’t be any left

They never pass up profit, even if it’s less

STUPIDVIPGUY,

GTFO of Minneapolis if you can’t pay your employees you don’t deserve to do business here

Speculater,

Someone else will backfill the need.

steltek,

Conveniently, biking will be a good alternative again once the bike lane isn’t full of illegally parked rideshare cars.

(Not from MN but Ubers are a plague for safe city biking where I am)

Aesculapius,
@Aesculapius@kbin.social avatar

Good! Providing a cheap service at the cost of the staff doing the work is not acceptable.

This is all just grandstanding anyway. They may leave, but likely they will just increase their rates.

TheBest,

Exactly. I envision them threatening to leave, but ultimately not taking the revue hit by raising prices for the end users.

I don’t agree with profits over everything. I anticipate the public narrative blaming the drivers or politicians for them exiting the market, but in my opinion its their own corporate greed thats pushing them out. This is unfair and people shouldn’t be vilified for standing up for workers rights.

VentraSqwal,

It’s like when Amazon threatened to leave NY when AOC was campaigning for higher minimum wage over there or whatever it was. I forget the exact details, but the point is that it ended up being a bluff and of course they stayed.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no. People might have to use regular taxis.

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Or maybe just take a walk, use public transit, ride a bike, or use some other sort of https://lemmy.world/c/micromobility!

andrewta,

Public transport in Minneapolis/St. Paul sucks

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

Coincidence?

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

What public transport

_haha_oh_wow_,
@_haha_oh_wow_@kbin.social avatar

The one in your heart?

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

don’t threaten me with a good time

SeaJ,

Considering they are not really any cheaper than taxis, no biggie.

SheeEttin,

They’re much nicer, though. That’s why they’ve been successful.

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