at what he likely will be able to afford, he can pay her a thousand per month and he’ll only be paying until the entire galaxy has made a full rotation, a full 100.000 years.
I get the point, but this 1.2 billion is just ridiculous.
Yes, this guy is an asshole, yes he needs to be punished, yes he needs to get punched in the dick for all I care but… In reality, worst case, she will likely suffer no more negative effects of this after 5 years whereas this dude can effectively kill himself because even if he wins 20 lotteries in a row, he still won’t be able to get rid of this one. Punishment doesn’t fit the crime here.
As a german, I always find amusing when americans are scared of not being able to find a job because they have nude photos online. Meanwhile I have practically seen all of my colleagues/family naked either at the job showers, sauna or nudist parks and beaches.
No the point is the choice to be seen nude. Plenty of people in the US are quite comfortable being seen nude, but you’re correct that most people don’t want that. I’m pretty sure if you took a camera into a sauna in Germany, and posted the pictures online, the subjects of your photos would be upset about it.
German here too. I have no idea why, but I’d find that so incredibly weird. I guess I grew up in a very prude family. I’d love to be more open towards nudity because why the fuck not, there’s nothing inherently sexual or weird about naked people, but I really struggle with that
While the ex-boyfriend does deserve strict punishment for sure, $1.2 billion dollars is absurd and it’s annoying to see revenge porn get more punishment than corrupt businessmen that have ruined many more lives.
The problem is not the he got a laughably high fine, it’s that the others don’t. I think something in the hundreds of thousands would be more appropriate for a private individual. I expect an appeal to reign that in some, if filed.
This is effectively making him pay for it, quite literally, for the rest of his life. Imo that sounds like a more severe punishment than if he were actually rich enough to pay all at once and just end it early.
I mean, the guy clear doesn’t have or will ever have $1.2 Billion or anything even close. So clear he won’t actually be paying almost all of this. It’s like threatening to take something away you don’t have in the firstplace?
Although he may not be able to pay 1.2 bil in damages, he surely can and will give away a lot of his paycheck to her. It’s like alimony turned up to eleven.
And that is it? Like you don’t go to prison for failing to pay your fines?
So he basically got sentenced to living on minimum wage for life? That doesn’t sound that bad and certainly makes the 1.2 billion number quite pointless.
From what I understand he now just has to live at like the existential minimum. Sure that suck … but there is plenty of people are already living on that and they didn’t do anything. How is that fair?
Also, if he actually just accepts his faith now and only earns enough money to just get by with as little as possible, he couldn’t pay anything at all.
What is wrong with prison? I thought you Americans loved putting people on there, why not this guy?
You seriously see nothing wrong with forcing people into poverty as the only punishment when you have actual people living in poverty? How do you not see how fucked up that is?
Like, what if he was already dead poor? What would be the punishment then?
Also, if that really is the only punishemnt … that basically just means the middle class get 1 free crime before they are downgraded to the lowest poor tier.
He’s also now infamous just like he threatened to make his ex. Every time anyone Googles him, this is what will come up. It is kind of fitting in that way.
As for why not prison, it’s hard to put people in jail for something like this. I assume that’s the reason why this went to civil court rather than the criminal court.
Man fuck these comments. He explicitly said he wanted to ruin the rest of her life. He intentionally posted them with her full name and address, endangering her. And to ruin her chance at getting/keeping a job. Dude does deserve to have his wages garnished for the rest of his life, at least there's a cap on UNLIKE WHAT HE TRIED TO DO TO HER!
Most of the disgusting comments are at least being criticized directly. Can’t silence the fuckheads, but you can appreciate other people dunking on them, at least
Dude does deserve to have his wages garnished for the rest of his life
I agree.
However, if he made 100k a year and had to pay all of that, his life would have to last 12 million years. Just seems like some of the maths here is a bit off. But maybe I just don’t understand the American justice system.
I mean we do multiple life sentences or life + so many years so I don't see why the same logic wouldn't apply when the penalty is monetary. It's a super high number to ensure he's paying the rest of his life, even if he suddenly comes into a bunch of money. It's intended as a warning.
I mean how much money can you put on the price of someone's life, safety, or missed future potential earnings? I think it was just a huge number to "ruin the rest of his life" as he attempted to do.
For example, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. The coffee was so hot it melted that lady's skin together. And this was an ongoing issue that McDonald's had been warned of several times and didn't listen. So while the lady was just trying to get her medical costs covered, the jury awarded an additional $2.7m in punitive damages because McDonald's didn't listen. Punitive damages are literally money as punishment.
It’s a super high number to ensure he’s paying the rest of his life, even if he suddenly comes into a bunch of money. It’s intended as a warning.
Yes, I get that. Still I find it a very strange, even macabre. I made the point in a couple of other comments, but got no useful replies so far.
It seems to me this guy was basically convicted to living at “minimum wage” or at least some minimum that can’t be taken from him, so he can cover his basic needs.
So he is convicted to being poor. Nothing else. But, like there is actual poor people with a very similar standard of living, that did nothing wrong. It just doesn’t seem fair. How shitty must it be, as a poor person, that your neighbour is there only because he was convited to have your shitty live?
Also, what if he was already super poor before that and he won’t come into any fortune. What money are you even gonna take from him? Does that mean if you’re already poor you can just publish revengeporn, because what are they gonna take from you?
Like, if you’re poor … what is the “warning”? That they make sure you gonna be poor forever? Chances are that would be the case anyway.
Also, what incentive does this guy now have to actually contribute to society by doing anything more than the minimum he needs to afford?
I don't disagree. Income inequality is an overarching issue in the US. As is charging monetary damages that will never be paid out. My mom was injured in a car accident by someone driving under the influence, and she had to cover all her medical bills out of pocket despite winning in court because the dude wasn't even working and had no money to garnish.
I was more talking about how it fits in with the current system, as flawed as it may be. I don't have a good solution aside from overhauling the massive income inequality in this country. People working minimum wage jobs (which are usually jobs we need for society to function!) should not be living the same lifestyle as this dude.
So why no Prison for this dude? Like, I don’t want to sound like the typical anti-US European, but you send so many people to prison! The most in the world, by capita.
He deserves a couple of years and she deserves a reasonable amount of money that this guy can actually cough up. And then maybe things can move on.
Then again, from popular media I’m made to believe that US prisons are actually quite horrid, so maybe you don’t deserve that easily.
I just have the cynical feeling this guy actually got off lightly and the big number is just there to make for big media coverage with no real meaning.
Would the situation be any materially different if he had been convicted for $100.000, short of winning the lottery or inheriting a large sum? The fact that he made it his mission to ruin an ex’s life then didn’t show up to court tells me he’s not exactly the kind to have a legal high-paying job. Regardless of the exact monetary amount the consequences would have been the exact same, the difference is purely symbolic.
The American Justice System is broken, yes, but this particular case is hardly the best example of it. As an outsider looking in, I find it more troubling that you still have the death penalty, the whole “plead guilty or don’t get fair representation from your public defender” thing, over-incarceration, for-profit prisons, etc.
How shitty must it be, as a poor person, that your neighbour is there only because he was convited to have your shitty live?
Speaking as a poor person who learned why he is poor like me: fuck this guy. He deserved it. Literally tried to ruin her life and you expect us to feel bad he got punished for it? Like please.
They may have well awarded 150 billion dollars worth of damages. There’s no way it’ll ever be paid so what’s the goal here? Showcase an astronomical amount as a flex?
The point is not really the money. The point is the headline and the fact that there are remedies for when you can’t pay a judgement. Like others said, his wages will be garnished forever. And this is one of the largest civil judgements ever. That plus the salacious nature means that anytime this guy’s name is searched for, it will be beside this. It won’t leave him.
Until we get better laws for things like revenge porn where there are actual criminal penalties, this is probably the best we can do.
Oh for fucks sakes. We have people who were wrongly imprisoned and spent decades in jail and they get a couple of hundred Gs and this lady is awarded $1.2B because someone saw her hoo-ha. We really have fucked up morals. The award amount is so obnoxious that I’m almost glad she’ll never see a dime of it. This is just a mockery of justice.
I think it’s an absurd ruling as well, but I don’t feel bad for the douchebag in question. I don’t really understand how they came up with the numbers. 1 billion in punitive damages? Based on what? Crazy.
But I’m fine with the guy being financially ruined for it. He deserves that much.
He posted her real name and address along with those videos and pics of her, which is basically opening her up to being attacked. He also threatened her job prospects and threatened to continue harassing her for the rest of her life. I agree that there should be more paid out to wrongly imprisoned people, but this was more than just having her hoo-ha shown.
That doesn’t mean this case is no big deal. Poor woman.
I do agree that the large amount is silly because the guy is probably not a billionaire. Hopefully they will increase punishments for corporations and rich people-- oh wait, they won’t. That’s fucked up, but not related to this case
You can call out the hypocrisy without minimizing her suffering. “They saw your bits, so what” is a ridiculous response to having your private sex videos shared with everyone you know
TBF, I wouldn’t be surprised if a large percentage of people would of considered doing what he did, a “dick move” or “petty” but not a serious crime. This serves as a wake up call.
Hardly - he has an SSN. Any job that pays taxes he’ll be garnished. Even if he manages to hide his identity with a fake ssn, his life as it was is ruined. Definitely a form of justice considering he literally was trying to ruin her life through these actions.
Yeah. Sadly, the quote “If you owe the bank a thousand dollars, it’s your problem; if you owe them a billion, it’s their problem” applies here too. Hopefully she bleeds him dry and maybe some prison time too.
I wouldn't say he is sentenced to destitution. Wage garnishment is capped at 25% of disposable income. And you keep a minimum of 217.5 per week (30 hours of minimum wage a week).
A 25% pay cut certainly hurts but depending on his income he could still have a decent life.
The amount is ridiculous but even a more reasonable sentence around 500k-5mil would probably not change anything for his situation. Most people wouldn't pay that off in their lifetime at 25% of income.
Iirc the 25% cap really only ends up applying if you have more than one active garnishment. Individual garnishments are generally 10% of gross. Maybe there are exceptions where one can go up to the full 25% of disposable, but it’s rarely the case.
I’m hoping he’s a US citizen so he won’t be able to avoid paying US taxes anywhere he goes without also getting a new identity and going into permanent hiding. As long as his life is destroyed far more comprehensively than his attempt to destroy hers, I’m happy.
Well done that jury. This is not just about a very large settlement, it’s a very newsworthy settlement. It’s impossible to measure the impact on crimes that don’t happen but I reckon there will be a fair few potential perpetrators of this sort of crime who might just manage to get a fucking grip because of this. And a fair few victims who find a way to exact an entirely justified revenge on those who fail to grow the fuck up anyway.
well if he was to leave the US and never return there’s very little risk in not paying the bills. it’s likely little would happen if you came back to visit for the holidays, either
I’m not going to enforce it. It’s entirely possible that the US givt does not enforce it despite requiring it. But they usually only ignore taxes for very rich people, who can dodge them anyway, so I’d expect them to enforce it?
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