BeautifulMind,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

At this point, I say that if we’re going to fund the displacement of Palestinians we had better damned well be prepared to receive them as refugees.

kent_eh,

Today’s republican party: Always looking for new lows to sink to.

profdc9,

The republicans are not really governing: they are pandering. There’s no way such a measure could become law with the Democratic majority in the Senate. Even if such a measure became law, the Supreme Court would have to completely redefine due process for this to remain law, however, the Supreme Court did decide in favor of internment camps for Japanese American citizens, so I supposed this can not be ruled out.

Whoresradish,

Because of the Trumps presidency a lot of laws got changed that I would not have imagined possible. You don’t give the republicans enough credit for how much they can and will fuck up this country. The supreme court will have no trouble twisting the meaning of laws abd words to fit their agenda because they are not using laws in good faith.

thisisawayoflife,

Inb4 all the progressive voters who think long term enough to say “I’m not voting for Biden in 24”! 😂😂

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

You meant short-term?

thisisawayoflife,

That is the implication of the chosen language. It was intended to mock those individuals predictable responses.

Gimpydude,

I’ll vote for Biden in '24 but why the fuck can’t we have real, viable candidates anymore?

UFODivebomb,

No. You can only choose between the geriatric wannabe Nazi. And the geriatric pseudo individual controlled by some aggregate of donators.

There is absolutely nobody else that could possibly be chosen.

/s

Except the wannabe Nazi part. It may be weekend at Bernie 's but at least it’s not idiot Hitler.

Asafum,

Primaries and old people, “way too fucking expensive to run for office,” and a sprinkle of “good people generally don’t seek positions of power.”

afraid_of_zombies,

That is pretty low even for the Christian “moral” majority

Illuminostro,

Sounds exactly like them to me.

“There’s no hate like Christian love.”

spider, (edited )

“moral” majority

They are neither.

bemenaker,

That’s the point

Nobody,

This is the problem with Democratic voters turning on Biden over Gaza. The Republican stance is that all Palestinians are Hamas, and they should be either killed or exiled. “Not calling for a ceasefire quickly enough” isn’t a thing on the right, and it never will be.

Zippit,

The only thing those voters ask from Biden is to represent them too in this conflict. He doesn’t, so putting the blame on them if he loses the elections, is not fair.

Also he made it clear he doesn’t care about their voices, so all he has to do is replace those votes with Jewish voters I guess? Muslims and Jews make up 1% each of the entire US population (census 2020), so it’ll straighten itself out.

homura1650,

US Jews aren’t that closely alligned to Israel; particularly if you are talking about the current Israeli leadership (which a significant portion of Israelis also aren’t alligned with). Further, the preferences of US Jews is pretty corralated to their political party; where Jewish Republicans are far more pro Israel than Jewish democrats.

pewresearch.org/…/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-…

The above survey is old, but I don’t think the story has fundamentally changed.

Across all US Jews (as of the time the survey was conducted)

40% rate Netenyahus leadership as good or excellent (25% of Democratic Jews, 80% of Republican Jews)

34% Strongly oppose the BDS (anti Israel Boycott, Divest, Sanctions) movement. (28% Democratic Jews, 54% Republican Jews)

33% Thought that Israel was making a sincere effort to peace. (20% Democratic Jews, 66% Republican Jews)

32% Thought that God gave Israel to the Jews. (22% Democratic Jews, 60% Republican Jews).

When people talk about the “Jewish” position for Israel in thr context of US politics, they are really talking about the Republican position.

Zippit,

Thanks that’s insightful.

Illuminostro,

Forget to change accounts, bud?

Zippit,

Also, biden’s biggest problems right now are that more black and Latino voters are moving to the republican side. The polling today was really worrying.

phoenixz,

What latinonor black person would ever vote republican?

More to the point, why is the US so chokeful with people voting against their own vest interests?

dragonfly4933,

Immigrants shockingly often vote conservative.

www.pewresearch.org/religion/…/florida/

I am not sure what these results mean exactly. Perhaps the third generation is some specific type versus the second.

douglasg14b,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

The result of successful disinformation campaigns coupled with subpar education and indoctrination?

kromem,

You’d be surprised.

I recommend the following to get a sense for what’s going on with Latino conservatives:

fivethirtyeight.com/…/why-the-gops-grievance-poli…

bemenaker,

Latinos are very religious in general. That leads to them having very conservative views, and easily voting for republicans. Really odd with most republicans wanting to deport all of them, even naturally born ones, but they have that lean.

ILikeBoobies,

Kanye, Ice Cube, and presumably Lil’Wayne/Kodak Black because Trump pardoned them

And they influence others

Veneroso,

It’s way too early to believe any polls. What demographic still have landlines and answer the call from unknown numbers?

White old people who watch Fox News on cable.

youtu.be/tBs2tgfVRpE?si=pMnBMvmjKmsV-N8F

dx1,

“Lesser of two evils” is sure slipping more and more towards “evil”, isn’t it.

kromem,

That’s…the entire point of the phrase.

Are you just realizing this?

Boy are you in for a surprise when you find out that “cutting off your nose to spite your face” is slipping more and more towards the face not having a nose anymore.

dx1,

That’s an odd response to what I wrote…what I said is that the two choices are becoming more and more evil, not that they are evil in the first place. Which is not how that phrase has typically been used (to justify selecting the lesser of the two evils).

Which, side note, may make sense in the context of, there are actually only two choices. But what we do is collectively lock ourselves into those two choices and then choose between them, when there are not only other parties and independent candidates we could support, but entirely separate political systems we could move to.

kromem,

The entire point is selecting the lesser of two evils.

If you choose to eat strawberry ice cream instead of dog poop, that’s not selecting the lesser of two evils.

If you choose to eat bugs instead of dog poop, that’s where you’d refer to it as the lesser of two evils.

Having an objectively good option and an objectively terrible one isn’t choosing the lesser of two evils.

Having a terrible one and a slightly less terrible one is.

You are correct that we shouldn’t need to be choosing between the lesser of two evils, but that phrase only really applies when both options suck.

Lols,

maybe he should do what his voters want him to lol

mightyfoolish,

Has there been an election in the last 2 days since they decided this?

aircooledJenkins,

Ryan Zinke is a close minded, selfish asshole.

I’m ashamed he represents Montana in Congress.

IchNichtenLichten,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

Wild one but hear me out, we deport all the Republicans to Israel.

FuglyDuck,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

We can do that? lets do it!

Shardikprime,

Deport the leftists to Venezuea/Russia and I think people will agree

tastysnacks,

I thought Republicans are the ones who love Russia and Putin?

ieatpillowtags,

It’s schrodingers Russia, it’s only bad if democrat

Lemminary,

Do you just sit around and get high and think of the most inane communities to moderate or is that a natural talent? Kind of a serious question

KnowledgeableNip,

Lead paint and gasoline in the 60’s.

eskimofry,

Why? Because left == communism? Yo the communists balk at that suggestion if you ever wander over to hexbear or lemmygrad

masquenox,

Can we start the deportations with this one?

bemenaker,

Since when has Russia ever been a leftist state, oh right, never. It was an authoritarian state during the USSR that called itself communist. Now it is a “democratic” authoritarian state. Sweden which is a socialist democracy is far closer to socialism than the USSR ever was, and it’s a wonderful country. I had members on my team that lived there.

Kedly,

Yeah these fucks never threaten to send us to the Nordic Countries, because most of us would go in a heartbeat

airportline,
@airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

No because they would settle the West Bank and further the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

So deport them to Gaza?

Natanael,

Deport them to the country they really want to be, north Korea

goferking0,

There’s also a high probability they’d kill both sides to trigger the rapture/out of racism

Illuminostro,

Idaho is closer. And close the borders.

morphballganon,

They’d still get to vote there, though.

StalinistTransition,

also democrats: lets send weapons to the fascists in israel to help their genocide

America is a one party state, but in typical american extravagance they have two of them

Pons_Aelius,

Internally in the US there is a fairly large policy difference between D and R.

When it comes to foreign policy, you are correct. There is no difference between them.

StalinistTransition,

although you are correct about foreign policy i’d like to differ on the internal policy

Internally it seems no different either, the Reps forward racism and extortion, the dems dont do anything to stop it and in fact keep anything from undoing the republican’s changes

they’re really quite the same, the dems just have a blm sticker on as they increase funding for the militarized police state

Feathercrown,

Even if that were true (it’s not) those are still two very different choices

iyaerP,

On this issue yes, on other issues, no. See: Republicans wanting to cut all support to Ukraine so that Daddy Vladdy can win his war.

Don’t forget that the 2016 DNC hack was accompanied by an equal hack of the RNC, it’s just that the Republican info was saved as kompromat where the Democratic info was released in the short term to damage them and help Trump win the election so Putin could have his puppet in the White House.

StalinistTransition,

On this issue yes, on other issues, no. See: Republicans wanting to cut all support to Ukraine so that Daddy Vladdy can win his war.

you crazies think the republicans support putin? are you fucking deranged?

once again americans lean on the good ol reliable of “THOSE FUCKIN RUSSIANS” whenever they fuck up. This is extremely pathetic, your politics are that of a child.

Orbituary,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

Moscow Mitch. Cheeto Mussolini. Graham Cracker.

Those are but three. Yes, they support Russian propaganda and policies. The GOP are feckless, self-serving cock-whistles. Sounds like you are, too.

StalinistTransition,

Moscow Mitch. Cheeto Mussolini. Graham Cracker.

those are terrible names, except maybe moscow mitch that one has potential

and who said i support putin, the bastard is a neoliberal cuck for oligarchs that rape the people of the post soviet world.

Oh baby, then all of america is a putin stooge, they’re the ones that put him in office! The russian federation is a monstrosity of america’s own hand. You would have been better off leaving the east alone. You americans started this war, these are all america’s monsters.

Again though, america pulls the strings, only an absolute ideological cuck would think something as stupid as (don’t laugh) AMERICA BEING CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA

Putin stooge im dying

if anything the republicans would only want russian allies to end the world in a war with china.

SoylentBlake,

Google “Republicans 4th of July Moscow”

Our nations birthday and where are all these traitorous fucks? Taking orders from Putin.

And no. America did not put Putin in power. He made a power play on Yeltsin and had the presidency handed to him. Being the former head of the KGB, he knows how to press people to get what he wants. America also did not start the Ukrainian war, that started when Putin invaded in 2014 and stole Crimea. It can end today, Putin just had to go home. America should’ve bombed his personal mansion(s) for Crimea too, as we swore to defend Ukraine against an aggressive Russia when Ukraine gave up their nukes but Obama’s a bitch.

If you really believe your astroturfing you haven’t paid any attention to American party politics in, at least, the last 10 years. I know, cuz I do, almost religiously. Some people follow sports, some people like celebrities. I read, in this order, my cities, my counties, my states, then national, and finally international geo-politik. Political science/economics/philosophy are what I’m all about and not a fucking word of anything youve said has even an ounce of coherency to it.

SoylentBlake,

More accurately it’s Putin supports the Republicans, and he’s financing the far right in every other western nation as well. World’s richest man and all, Putin owns them.

Feathercrown,

Nuh uh

BigMacHole,

Republicans: *repeat Russian propaganda, spend major US holidays in Russia, are played on Russia state TV, try to defund Ukraine.*You: obviously they don’t support Russia!

Pons_Aelius,

Counterpoint:

Obama expanded the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, massively increased the drone strikes and continued the support for Saudi Arabia (the country that financed 9/11 and the nationality of the majority of those involved).

When it comes the US foreign policy, neither side is the good guy.

StalinistTransition,

The US is an imperialist murder machine, i don’t really care if some say they support my right to live or not. They’ll just kill me in the water riots like anyone else.

SARGEx117,

“this entire country’s inhabitants can get fucked because their government arbitrarily decides to bomb people and won’t listen when the people say stop, I will tell you that not all of them want me dead but I don’t care because the apocalypse is coming”

Uhhhh… Cool?

cynar,

It’s even more horrifying. America does have 2 parties, it’s just they’ve collectively dragged the overton window so far right that the “left” party is still to the right of most countries (extreme) “right” parties.

Similar results, but require very different fixes.

StalinistTransition,

thats kind of what i said, but the difference between the parties is minuscule.

cynar,

Watching, as an outsider, there’s not. That fact is truly horrifying. The democrats are roughly aligned with the UK conservative party. Shitty but tolerable. The republicans are way off in the sticks, with no comparison.

By analogy, democrats are like being shot in the gut with a high power paintball gun. The republicans are like being shot with a high caliber revolver. Both involve getting shot, both are unpleasant, but one is still FAR worse than the other.

SARGEx117, (edited )

It’s a shit sandwich.

You can have one scoop or three, but you have to eat it, and if you don’t choose, one gets picked by whoever is in charge of the cafeteria.

And sure, it might just be one scoop…

but it’s still a shit sandwich.

Be mad all you want but your votes won’t change the fact that one option is shittier than the other.

cynar,

Unfortunately if you don’t choose 1 then you will likely end up with even more.

The issue is that trying not to play, just plays into the hands of the extremists.

I watched something similar play out with Brexit. It was less a shit sandwich and more a firehouse of diarrhea shoved down our collective throat. It’s been less than pleasant. The people who were disinterested and didn’t vote made a huge difference. They didn’t want a shit sandwich, so got the fire hose with the rest of us.

SARGEx117,

I never once suggested not playing. I’m not sure why everyone seems to think that.

Literally all I said is they’re both shitty options but one is clearly more shitty.

cynar,

The “both sides are the same” is a concern troll phrase. It’s almost always used by people whose views align extremely well with the republican party. It’s generally used as “both are the same, so why bother voting” though wrapped in more words.

Basically your sounding off with a right wing dog whistle, and people are reacting to it.

SARGEx117,

If that’s people’s take then I suggest reading comprehension classes. I’m done being polite to idiots. The republican party can remove itself from the planet in whatever way it sees fit, I’m not picky. And if people can’t grasp that I’m saying the republican party is vastly shittier, then we’ll I guess I’m done trying to explain.

Be mad, I guess.

cynar,

Just remember communication is a 2 way street. Others don’t have the context you do. Also, not everyone was raised in the same culture as you, or even using the same language.

If one person appears to be an idiot, then it could happily be true. If everyone seems to be an idiot, it’s worth a proverbial look in the mirror, the issue might be your side of things.

SARGEx117,

You make a good point.

dragonflyteaparty,

No it’s not. One isn’t the greatest, sure. But the other actively wants to make the US a Christian theocracy.

SARGEx117,

Yes, and they’re the ones with more scoops of shit.

KnowledgeableNip,

So the plan is to sit and pout and get forced fed an extra big heaping spoonful through inaction?

I don’t kink shame but maybe don’t blend your coprophagia with your politics.

SARGEx117,

Who said sit and do nothing?

Who said don’t vote?

All I said is they’re both shitty options, and one is clearly more shitty.

KnowledgeableNip,

May have misunderstood your intended message, my bad.

frunch,

It’s not though

Illuminostro,

There is no real “Left” in American politics. You have Eisenhower Republicans, and then you have Nazis. Choose.

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Gotta love whataboutism

jpreston2005,

Republicans: draft yet another racist bill aimed at hurting minorities and refugees

This guy: Fuckin democrats

Lemminary,

Tbf, I don’t expect much from someone who names themselves after Stalin and thinks they have sensible political opinions

Klear,

Banned Banned (Community)

Love to see it.

TWeaK,

Gotta wedge those issues.

bloopernova,
@bloopernova@programming.dev avatar

Gotta communicate to their base that it’s really ok to stab 6 year olds dozens of times if they are of Palestinian heritage.

CosmicTurtle,

Gotta communicate to their base that it’s really ok to stab 6 year olds dozens of times if they look like they are of Palestinian heritage.

FTFY

As if they care if you can tell the difference.

bloopernova,
@bloopernova@programming.dev avatar

True that.

A 6 year old. I just can’t wrap my head around it. The landlord played with the kid. Built him a fucking treehouse.

Oh and he pleaded not guilty. Not. Guilty. He actually looked his lawyer in the eye and said that.

Illuminostro,

“HE WAS BROWN, OK?! WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?”

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