Seditious conspiracy comes with a max 20 years sentence (for one charge). Most people that day were caught up in the events as they unfolded without thinking through their actions and understanding what they were doing, to various degrees. They didn’t wake up that day to start a coup but they did follow along with it, thus they were guilty but given leniency and their sentences were greatly reduced to reflect that. Those people got their 1-3 years for partaking.
Unlike those individuals this guy didn’t just wake up knowing a coup would happen that day, he actually organized it. Through his direction actions and that of his co-conspirators the events of January 6th unfolded thanks to his efforts. Him and his co-conspirators who organized and created this coup are indirectly responsible for the violence that followed that day. So his sentencing wasn’t lenient because of his leadership role coupled with the violence that occured he was given a stronger sentence.
In the off chance you know - The fucker who planted shitty bombs in the important rooms - is he considered an opportunist or part of the group? Is the insanity of almost-bombing the entirety of Congress considered part of the “coup attempt”?
I don’t remember most details. I only remember bombs were found, but they weren’t very good bombs.
I imagine they would have to be part of the conspiracy to have planted them when they did otherwise it would be a really big coincidence. Also I am not 100% sure of everything that happened but it looks like they were planted at the DNC and RNC HQ’s so I don’t think they would have affected Congress. Also, from looking at some information from the FBI it looks like these devices were never intended to go off but instead possibly used for diversions.
It’s also possible they just never had a chance to use them as things didn’t go according to their plans that day.
Stand back and pick up the soap, nutty. I hope they send him to wherever they lock up the Bloods and Crips gang members they arrest, maybe he can explain to them how he’s not a racist.
What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.
It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.
The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.
I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.
I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.
Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.
It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.
While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/
Maybe it’s the bubble I’m in, but I’ve seen the opposite in the news. Between climate, school shootings, minimum wage, student loan forgiveness, abortion rights, and marijuana legalization, one party at least acts progressive, while the other actively tries to block change. I’m not sure which conservative talking points are resonating with the majority of young people.
That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.
Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.
I didn’t vote when it was Hillary or Tbag. I hated both. But I’ll keep voting to protect against him happening again. It’s exactly what the dems are counting on, and it’s unfortunately working on me.
Still waiting to see who I’ll vote for in primaries, though. My vote only counts there in my state.
How about we get better candidates from both mainstream parties if they actually want swing voters, rather than painting their opposition as a bunch of shitbags. (Mind you, both parties are shitbags who force unpopular policies).
Ideally that would be in the case, but in reality with FPTP your vote for Green has the same effect as a vote for Trump. I'm much farther left than the Dems, but until we have a revolution that's just how it is.
I ask because the republicans viewed her as a threat from the time she was first lady (she wanted universal healthcare - which she almost got, but the rightwing defeated her by talking about a republican vision/plan for an individual mandate, which was basically obamacare, she talked about women’s rights, she was pulling her husband to the left on some issues, etc). They knew she had the type of balls to run for president and the Hillary hate propaganda machine has been running strong for over 20+ years, because they were scared she would win. That’s why I’m wondering what got you to hate her - what tactic of their hate machine do you think worked on you?
Edit - and I hope you understand conservatives would destroy the internet as it is, and they have been trying
It wasn’t any tactic they used. I read an article where she talked about policy she wanted implemented during her first term that I thought showed a basic misunderstanding of the internet. Unfortunately, I can’t remember what it was to share. But I didn’t think Trump stood any chance of winning so I withheld my vote and have regretted that ever since.
I’m not saying it won’t be close. My parents who voted for him complain about how often they get asked to donate to his campaign slash legal fund. I don’t think that’s a great look if it’s about grocery money.
I remember 2016. Bernie bros felt maybe rightfully so that he got shafted in the primary. Many didn’t turn out. Trump as obvious of a con man as he was to us, was a successful business man to many centrist voters. I think that illusion has mostly faded. On top of that people on the right were programmed to hate Hillary since the 90s. The vitriol for Trump now is the best shot Biden has, and I think it’s enough.
Historically, people who attempt to overthrow their government get death. Hell, they still execute Guy Fawkes symbolically every year. And all we do is put them up in prison for 20 years? We’ve gone soft.
I do, insurrection is the only crime I believe should merit the death penalty. Nothing else is even close to how dangerous that is. A murderer may kill a couple of dozen people at most, if someone overthrows the government, that could lead to death for millions and a shifting of history for decades if not centuries. That should be the only capital crime.
Guys losing 1/3 of his adult life, and won’t get out of prison before his 60s. I’m extremely anti-j6, but 22 years seems like a nice hefty sentance to me
Waiting for Trump to be all “When we retake what’s rightfully ours, I’ll make sure those who were wrongly imprisoned by Crooked Joe Biden are exonerated as the patriots they are!”
My understanding was that the informant bit didn’t really help him out because he stopped being an informant and then the January 6th riots happened.
So he’d stopped supplying them with information before he then committed treason. So it isn’t as if they just weren’t appreciative of the information supplied, the information supplied had nothing to do with why he was arrested.
Interesting. I thought that he had got himself arrested on minor charges before the 6th, to have an excuse not to be there. I assumed that was encouraged by the FBI. Sounds like he was hedging his bets, and lost it all anyway. Either way, I’m laughing at him!
Supposedly it’s a lower sentence than the sentencing guidelines allow (according to others in this thread anyway.) So maybe it did count.
That said, Chairman of the Proud Boys? There’s a limit to what “I was cooperating with the FBI the whole time” can buy you if you’re the reason the crimes are being committed.
Blows my mind that despite no other action being taken to prevent the US Capitol attack, someone somewhere pulled a string to nab Tarrio on possession of an extended mag (which he had sold to another attendee) and hold him through 1/6. I thought the whole thing might be called off after that, but even so some agent of chaos cut the head off of the operation with one swift stroke - apparently doing so in defiance of the larger state security apparatus. They still tried to carry out the tunnel assassination plan according to the investigation records. How did so many points of contact simply get defused without violence or arrest? What the hell actually happened behind the scenes of all of this?
Pretty sure he livestreamed stealing a flag from a historic church and then burning it on their steps… Then he came back to DC and kept announcing where he was on Twitter.
The gun magazine he just had on him, and because he’s a dumbass he said he only had it to sell to someone.
You make it out to be a brilliant police sting, when it was the bare minimum of competence.
Pretty sure he livestreamed stealing a flag from a historic church and then burning it on their steps…
And yet he wasn’t arrested then or for that reason, according to the reporting on the day of the arrest. That charge was added after he was booked.
The gun magazine he just had on him
This was specifically cited as the reason he was picked up on 1/4 according to the article that I first read about it from. I doubt he was wearing it visibly strapped to him without a rifle for it, but I guess that could have been the case.
You make it out to be a brilliant police sting
I think it’s more likely a career bootlicker didn’t like their boss and screwed over 1/6, than police having ever done anything worth calling brilliant.
Sure - the right wing militias (and Roger Stone) had formed a plan to trap the congress members in the tunnels that connect the federal buildings in DC so that they could kill them. The Oath Keepers were also involved in this plan, which was revealed as evidence in various court proceedings. The OK and PB trials were extremely damning.
Even without Tarrio present, the Proud Boys were involved in preventing police from sealing off various tunnel entrances. Some militia individuals entered the tunnels in accordance with those same plans. The tunnels were also occupied by military personnel at that time. So there were various groups of individuals at various locations interacting with security forces (‘points of contact’) involved in compromising the security of the congress members, yet the only blood shed was the AF lady who tried crawling through the broken window in the door to the chamber.
That’s not a technicality. His life is in no danger from police whatsoever. BLM is about the police’s response to black people and how little their lives are valued.
Yeah, nice try. Your snark doesn’t make you any less of a racist when you are tarring an entire movement, an entire race of people, with the actions of one or two people.
Add comment