The fact that they have it on this blatant of a propaganda poster means that unions work.
And going through union for what you need is much more effective and quicker than letting a supervisor/manager drag their feet and kick the ball around, and that’s what makes union dues worth it.
The fact that they have it on this blatant of a propaganda poster means that unions work.
Not necessarily.
A poster this blatant means unions are bad for management.
It doesn’t prove that unions aren’t bad for both workers and management alike. Business isn’t a zero sum game. To show that something helps workers, you need to demonstrate that it helps workers.
Which is to say, this poster is a bad argument for unions. The success of the writers strike, on the other hand, is a good argument of how unions protect workers from the bad deals management offers.
They suck at propaganda because the claims are unverifiable lies? That’s not really the point of propaganda. Did it scare a number of employees into voting no on a union? If yes, then they propaganda’d just fine.
I’m not sure how you can spin to be convincing through your arguments… It’s a pretty indefensible position intellectually
This is actually part of a pretty valid strategy. The trick is to flood them with the conclusion - they don’t need to be able to recite talking points, they just need to think “a union could be troublesome”. I’d also spread stories about Union busting (not with a paper trail!) And have dozens of these posters with different, unmemorable arguments
If you convince someone “unions are bad because they have problems with corruption”, they can be sat down, shown the numbers, the transparency measures, and how members could democratically boot out leadership if things go wrong. Their concern is dispelled, and if they accept the argument they’re solidly on team union and distrustful of management.
If you flood them with weak arguments that make sense on the surface but fall apart if you think about them, they’re left with the impression of an argument against unions. They aren’t going to remember it, and if they do it’ll sound like it couldn’t be right to say it out loud, but they felt that way. And they’re smart, so they must have been convinced by a better argument they just can’t remember clearly.
This is what subliminal messaging actually looks like, this shit is evil
People love to vote against themselves. At my last Union BBQ we had the local, anti Union conservative politician show up to shake hands. I saw so many of my union brothers taking photos with him, since like half of them are conservative voters.
Why the fuck a union worker would vote for anti Union, pro corporation conservatives, I don’t know. But they do.
The contract the article is referring to JWCC which was a multi award contract. All of the vendors will essentially compete for the workloads under that contract throughout the entire contract.
It was created to replace JEDI which was single award and got so bogged down in legal challenges they gave up and replaced it with JWCC.
Wait… are they saying that I could have sent my employees to the Union instead of endless discussions about next year’s pto distribution? Could you not have said that sooner?!
This is also technically true - except your union is going to collectively bargain a binding contract which gets you all those things, and prevents you from being exploited or the employer from randomly changing rules to exploit you.
You have no guarantees on pay, benefits or work rules without unions either. The company can change those at any time or never change them at all.
At least a union will fight for those things on your behalf. A company has no incentive to do so and will actively oppose such things if it hurts their bottom line even slightly.
Correct. Benefits can and do get cut frequently without unions. Benefits cannot be cut in a union under contract, and if they try to cut them on the next contract you have the power to collectively bargain and strike if they do not come to the table and bargain in good faith. The recent WGA strike is an excellent example of all of that.
My pay and benefits were hard fought for and won by my union, including back pay through arbitration when we got stiffed on pay for a particular part of our job for a few years.
When I have a problem, I go to my supervisor. Usually things get fixed. If they don't want to fix it, I go to my union rep and things usually get fixed fast. If they don't, I go to my union grievance officer and things definitely get fixed fast. The last thing my supervisor wants to do is deal with the union rep, let alone the grievance officer, so having those 2 backing me up goes a VERY LONG WAY over just dealing with my supervisor by myself.
Don't believe the propaganda from people with a vested interest against your rights as an employee...
100 percent true. Going to the union is the last thing I want any of my people to do. It just complicates things.
Fortunately, I and my fellow supervisors are all union members too and we all know and are on good terms with the union officers down at the hall, so even if someone does go straight to them, it’s usually worked out with a phone call. The key is to be fair and not be a dick.
I mean, it’s not many companies that don’t try to put up a fight against this. I don’t think this is anything particularly unusual. Why is this infuriating? Would you expect them to not do this? That would be /mildlyshocking
dues were paying a couple lawyers to make sure company followed the law and own rules. mgmt is usually jealous of union pay. except upper mgmt(profit sharing) typically union will give better advice in any disputes.
Yeah, the whole point is having a legally binding contract that sets wages, hours, and working conditions. Also the “going through your union instead of your manager” is super dumb. It’s like saying, “why talk to your lawyer when you can just confess to the police?”
No guarantee as in “theoretically, we could fold up our entire business instead of bothering to negotiate”. They won’t, of course, but it’s not liably false (IANAL) because there’s a valid weird hypothetical.
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