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ndsvw, in Marketing email's subject made me think my card got hacked
@ndsvw@feddit.de avatar

Hey, Clink Hostels.

I want so inform you that a spam mail was sent from your address.

Oh, that was actually you??? 🙄😑 That’s embarrassing.

InternetTubes, in lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

Ok … do people not think that lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers? Because lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers…

I guess it would be Hetzner instances, news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470266, and it would be Hetzner who would get contacted and potentially shut down lemmy.world in their case. Let’s not even talk about the people launching DDoS’es against lemmy.world and how they could abuse it similarly.

It seems lemmy.world has only blocked communities, not entire servers in this case. I mean, get behind all the comments calling for a migration to “avoid instances moderated by clowns” and migrate all you want (wishing migrating was actually possible instead of simply creating new users), but I personally will stay in the server who has a code of conduct that considers legal concerns and doesn’t think that just because they are on the internet in a less popular medium that will eventually grow that it will get ignored.

I’ll just move if it gets taken down for incompetence or bogus reasons anyway, because all the dumb drama doesn’t really matter in the fediverse.

Delphia,

People are missing the fundamental point of defederation. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

You can have an absolutely squeaky clean instance for memes, news and generally huge sharing communities. Instances that dont have to worry about DCMA notices or having their servers seized and you can have instances that are willing to run those risks for niche content. If legal threats start being thrown around, the meme and hobby communities dont suffer. The piracy instances can shut down, migrate and start again, making the lawyers play whackamole.

InternetTubes,

That’s basically the WWW in a nutshell, applied to the fediverse. The problem usually is when they start going after the people and not the sites.

What matters more is the country the people and the infrastructure are being hosted on, since that tends to determine which laws apply. The Pirate Bay has been able to continue existing because of how Sweden allows content aggregators like it to exist.

adrian783,

ikr…feels like I’m taking crazy pills here. this is federation at work.

kungen,

coerce police into taking into custody entire servers

Name instances where this has happened, other than on entire websites dedicated to piracy. And overzealous hosting providers who shut down entire servers over a single DMCA (especially when the site doesn’t appear to host any content) should be avoided.

But I agree that it’s his own instance and he should do what he wants with it; that’d be the beauty of federation.

InternetTubes,

An instance of lawyers coercing police into taking into custody entire servers? Sure.

infosecurity-magazine.com/…/police-shutter-13000-…

Consider how common these types of seizures are, you can search for more on your own.

dmmeyournudes,

n total, 10 search warrants were issued and 14 people detained or accused of IP crimes, including four who were arrested in Spain. According to Europol, the prime suspect in this case had been earning €150,000 per month and lived in a luxury villa, drove expensive cars and took luxury holidays all over the world.

really coerced them through legal proceedings, damn.

InternetTubes,

Learn about the legal process, it’s the lawyers who made the case before the court who then gave green light for those search warrants.

dmmeyournudes,

you don’t coerce a cop by getting a warrant lol.

InternetTubes,

Not sure if you are willfully trying to act like an idiot, but congratulations on the block.

kungen,

Did you miss the part “other than websites dedicated to piracy”? The kingpin was making 150k€/month from his piracy ring, not some guy running a small free message board.

InternetTubes,

So you want me to provide an example, in a topic talking about piracy, for a comment that was replying in regards to it … that isn’t about piracy!?

Have you looked at how much seizures police and interpol perform in IP? Do you have any reason to expect an exception?

Maybe you’ll find this link more relevant: torrentfreak.com/police-raid-usenet-service-arres…

But there’s so many examples of server seizures for these sort of crimes, it’s almost bordering on the line of misinformation to claim otherwise.

MaDeX, in lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

Can someone give me another instance that’s decent and isn’t DDOSd to hell?

Plaid_Kaleidoscope,
@Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world avatar

x2 for me. Sick of the shit never loading up.

Arsenal4ever, in higher wages for the servers... by the customers. Fnbs

Corporations invented Jaywalking to pass the problem of death by vehicle from the manufacturer to the victim. Corporations invented the concept of Litterbug to shift blame from the makers of trash to the disposers of trash. Corporations invented the concept of the personal carbon footprint to shift the blame from the makers of carbon to the users of carbon.

This is just the same thing. Corporations are good at this.

Melco,

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  • NathanielThomas,

    It would be fucking awesome if it ended up in the landfill.

    It ends up on pristine beautiful south Pacific island beaches.

    jarfil,

    Corporations:

    • Reduce… no, we don’t want them to buy less!
    • Reuse… still not good enough.
    • Buy more and Recycle… now this, we can support. Add a recycling charge to it for good measure.
    RaivoKulli,

    Where I live our recycling rate is pretty good and a lot of it either ends up recycled back to use or is used for energy. A lot less stuff ends up in the landfill. Seems to work alright, the rates could be higher but that’s something that varies from country to country.

    CmdrShepard,

    In the US we can’t even recycle plastic anymore because China quit buying it. I’ve read that tons of recycled paper/cardboard just ends up in a landfill too because recyclers get too much to handle or it gets contaminated. One of the 3 “R’s” is “reduce” meaning not generating that waste to begin with, but many people only consider the “recycle” part as being all they need to do to be doing things sustainably.

    quinnly,

    One of the 3 “R’s” is “reduce”

    Not just one of the Rs, it’s the first R. It’s the most important one!

    FlowVoid,

    Trash has been around far longer than corporations, and people have taken responsibility for their trash long before corporations existed.

    Arsenal4ever,

    Okay, thank you for setting me straight.

    mojo, in Twitch no longer supports Firefox ???

    Btw there’s no point in using Privacy Badger if you already have uBlock Origin.

    flurry, (edited )

    The more lines of defense the better

    EDIT: to the dumbfucks downvoting this comment I’ll clarify so you can learn something today :

    uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger are not the same thing. Privacy badger is focused on blocking trackers but wont block ads.

    uBlock origin will try to block trackers based on a list, but it might not be updated or exhaustivew That’s where privacy badger comes handy, it should pick up most of trackers that will go through uBlock origin.

    Carighan,
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not how this works.

    sadreality,

    Clarify?

    flurry,

    Ublock origin blacklisted trackers list might not be exhaustive so privacy badger will pick up.

    Btw I’d love to have a nice explanation on how it works if you think I’m wrong

    kilgore_trout,

    Privacy Badger also relies on blocklists.

    flurry,

    No I don’t think so, or they lie.

    « Instead of keeping lists of what to block, Privacy Badger automatically discovers trackers based on their behavior »

    Source : addons.mozilla.org/en-US/…/privacy-badger17/#:~:t….

    mojo,

    Thanks to disclosures from Google Security Team, we are changing the way Privacy Badger works by default in order to protect you better. Privacy Badger used to learn about trackers as you browsed the Web. Now, we are turning “local learning” off by default, as it may make you more identifiable to websites or other actors.

    From now on, Privacy Badger will rely solely on its “Badger Sett” pre-trained list of tracking domains to perform blocking by default. Furthermore, Privacy Badger’s tracker database will be refreshed periodically with the latest pre-trained definitions. This means, moving forward, all Privacy Badgers will default to relying on the same learned list of trackers for blocking.

    eff.org/…/privacy-badger-changing-protect-you-bet…

    flurry,

    I was unaware of that change, even their website still promote heuristics.

    That being said, it’s not the same list as uBlock origin so you might have trackers going through ublock origin blocked by privacy badger or the opposite.

    My point is, why not use both ?

    mojo,

    uBlock filters already covers everything privacy badger blocks. It’s better to have less extensions then more. More code that can cause security issues, which is why local learning was disabled in the first place. More is not always better.

    AntBas,

    Because it makes your fingerprint more unique

    kilgore_trout,

    That used to be the default behaviour, now it’s disabled but you can still enable this feature in its settings.

    mojo,

    Posted this in another comment, but this is why:

    Thanks to disclosures from Google Security Team, we are changing the way Privacy Badger works by default in order to protect you better. Privacy Badger used to learn about trackers as you browsed the Web. Now, we are turning “local learning” off by default, as it may make you more identifiable to websites or other actors.

    From now on, Privacy Badger will rely solely on its “Badger Sett” pre-trained list of tracking domains to perform blocking by default. Furthermore, Privacy Badger’s tracker database will be refreshed periodically with the latest pre-trained definitions. This means, moving forward, all Privacy Badgers will default to relying on the same learned list of trackers for blocking.

    eff.org/…/privacy-badger-changing-protect-you-bet…

    It’s just using filters like uBlock Origin since the training was considered a critical security issue that fundamentally broken. The article is the devs talking about it in more indepth.

    MrMcGasion,

    I still use both, and already knew about this change. Is it useless overkill to keep both? Probably. But Privacy Badger also enables the GPC signal to let sites know you want to opt out of data sharing under the CCPA and GDPR. (You can enable GPC in about:config in Firefox, but that’s a hassle to do on every device, and extensions can be synced across devices)

    I’m sure there’s plenty of discussion to be had around the effectiveness of the GPC, but to be it’s worth it even if it’s just as a stat of users that care about data privacy. There’s also always a chance that something makes it to Privacy Badger’s Blocklist before uBlock Origin’s (although it’s probably more likely to be the other way around).

    goryramsy,

    That's not how it works.

    flurry,

    Ublock origin blacklisted trackers list might not be exhaustive so privacy badger will pick up.

    Btw I’d love to have a nice explanation on how it works if you think I’m wrong

    goryramsy,
    envis10n,

    They don’t block the same things every time, so it’s perfectly fine to have both.

    mojo,

    What does uBlock not block that isn’t in its filters?

    envis10n,

    uBlock blocks things solely based on them being in a filter list. Privacy badger blocks form controls and html elements that can allow tracking. Those are different things.

    mojo,

    uBlock Origin does that and way more. That’s just wrong lol

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime,

    Your username is the stuff of nightmares

    scytale,

    Does uBO replace/block fb widgets on sites? It was the main reason I kept Privacy Badger alongside it and just didn’t bother removing when uBO just got more advanced.

    mojo,

    Yes. I think it’s in the annoyance tab in the settings. Go to filters and you can enable it, there’s a ton.

    lud,

    Doesn’t firefox have an official add-on that’s installed by default that does that?

    dcooksta26, in Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff

    You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up” and anything else you don’t want to see.

    zik,

    I love that I have to go out of my way and follow instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That’s customer antagonistic design for you.

    ech0,

    *Complains that Microsoft gives you a way to turn something off.

    systemglitch,

    Looks like you missed his point completely

    Ibaudia,
    @Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

    Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.

    Zetta,

    This is the best option, I like Fedora

    Asudox,
    @Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

    You meant GNU/Linux.

    grue,

    GNU/BSD or GNU/HURD would be fine, too. Or even something like ReactOS or Haiku, for that matter.

    The important thing is that the OS respects you as the owner of the computer and does what you tell it to do, instead of trying to subvert your authority to serve a master other than yourself (e.g. the OS publisher or third-parties that want to colonize your property for their own benefit).

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    “No thanks, I’d rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad.”

    TheFonz,

    Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes “it only takes a few seconds”. Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Meanwhile when someone doesn’t want to switch to Linux or Firefox…

    “Just install seventeen extensions bro, why do you need tab stacking anyways? It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.”

    You absolutely have the time, you just want to bitch.

    mimichuu_,

    If you hate being used by Windows so much, you really should try an alternative, unless you’re a professional that uses software that just can’t run on Linux at all, chances are you can get most of what you use a computer for working fine. In return you get freedom, privacy, choice, performance.

    Or if you hate it but are too reluctant to change for whatever reason, that’s totally fine, but just say that. Don’t spread misinformation about Linux.

    It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.

    Literally no one ever says this. Just use Fedora. Almost completely seamless. There’s a KDE version if you want to have the same workflow as windows without configuring anything. You don’t have to use firefox, brave or ungoogled chromium are FOSS too.

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Slow it down a notch, I already use Nobara on two machines and have a steam deck running SteamOS. I’m all for open source, but the “why does windows show me annoying plebian features by default, it’s SOOOOOO horrible I have to look through and disable them manually it takes so mich time” feels kind of trite when meanwhile people complain about the time sink in learning a Linux install (even a PnP distro) is hand waived away as not a commitment.

    It just feels hypocritical, like a huge blind spot in the community. They claim Windows is so hard to deal with on the most minor shit.

    mimichuu_,

    It’s not just about the inconvenience though. Windows is paid. It’s at least 100 bucks. It’s not even “free but you are the product” like Google drive or whatever. Yet it still abuses you, controls you and exploits you, and you have to do tons of workarounds for it to not get in your way. Most of them are always temporary, as a new update reenables everything again or directly circumvents the workaround you used.

    If you are locked into the ecosystem, then I do agree that it’s annoying that people think moving to Linux is seamless. It wasn’t for me, it even cost me money since I had to buy an AMD gpu for things to work well + another GPU to passthrough to a windows VM and still use Clip Studio. But if someone only uses their computer for things that can be done seamlessly on Linux, and they genuinely dislike and are against all the bullshit Windows always does, it’s worth it to tell them there is a viable alternative, and what they heard about “you have to use the command line for everything meaningful!” or “everything breaks all the time!” hasn’t been true for years.

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    I guess I found the secret button to disable it, then. Because I haven’t had a single ad or bloatware style notification in a long time on my desktop. I’m sorry I just really think it’s overblown and basically a meme at this point.

    I’ve had a lot of success with Nobara, it’s why I put it on my old recycle pile laptop from my last job. Not only does it just work from the get go but it has a lot of built in functionality for things like discord and game launches that I’d prefer not to spend hours messing around with on a Debian or Arch install.

    grue,

    Windows users are in an abusive relationship. It’s sad, but not unexpected, that some make excuses for their abuser.

    spudwart, in Sure buddy just take as many spots as you need

    You can blame the driver for parking poorly, or you can blame the manufacturer for making a massive truck that can barely fit into a standard parking space, or you can blame car-centric infrastructure for making it so that everyone has to drive, even those that are insecure about their length.

    grue,

    I’ll take option #3, thanks!

    thorbot,

    It’s still the dipshit driver’s fault. Nobody forced them to buy that monstrosity or park like that.

    kartonrealista,
    @kartonrealista@lemmy.world avatar

    I blame all three + the driver again for buying this stupid fucking truck they probably don’t even need and won’t benefit them 99% time. But hey, it excels at killing children in driveways, so that’s something.

    intensely_human,

    I’d just put the blame on the part of OP’s brain that gets mad at non-problems

    spudwart, in Sure buddy just take as many spots as you need

    (🛻 * 📏) = 1/( 🍆 * 📏 )

    neumast,

    Error: Div 0 not defined!

    c0mbatbag3l, in The Spotify Car Thing cost $100, but I can't use it anymore.
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, so let me get this straight.

    You purchased a device that presumably has no local storage and are upset that it needs you to login to a server that can then stream you the music?

    Or is this an issue of not having a paid account?

    I guess Spotify didn’t realize someone who didn’t pay for Spotify would be likely to pay 100 bucks for a device to stream Spotify, and in most cases I’d say they’re probably right.

    sparr,

    upset that it needs you to login to a specific server before it will let you stream music from other unrelated servers

    FTFY

    A7thStone,

    Must be nice to be privileged

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    If you can drop 100 bucks on a random bullshit device instead of just using your phone or something then you’re the privileged one.

    Reduce and reuse was just a way of life for some of us.

    Plus it was on the marketing, not much to be done there unless you just can’t read.

    chuckd,

    I pay for a family account, but apparently that’s not the same as a premium account. I’d have the same problem using this device without having to upgrade my Spotify account.

    dyerat,

    family accounts work with it

    Transcriptionist, in The Spotify Car Thing cost $100, but I can't use it anymore.

    Image Transcription:

    A photo of a Spotify Car Thing with the text displaying on the screen under the Spotify logo: “Need a Premium account To use Car Thing you need to be logged in to a Spotify Premium or Premium Family account on your phone.”

    [I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

    And009,

    Hi transcript gpt

    Transcriptionist,

    Hello Android 009.

    eager_eagle,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    Good human

    Transcriptionist,

    Thank you, fellow human 🤖

    andrew, in Alright gang, get yer pitchforks
    @andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

    Mildly infuriating that I don’t have this in my cupboard right now, definitely. This sounds like a must-try.

    shrewbacca,
    andrew,
    @andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

    If this was guerilla advertising I’ve been bamboozled pretty good. But in this case I’m actually not even mad.

    crwcomposer, in higher wages for the servers... by the customers. Fnbs

    I thought the point of paying servers a living wage was to make tipping unnecessary.

    SCB,

    This line of thinking is just making serving a less attractive job for millions of people to save yourself a small amount of money.

    Cybermass,

    This line of thinking is what let’s wage thieves sleep at night.

    SCB,

    Tell me you don’t understand wage theft without telling me you don’t understand wage theft.

    IamSparticles,

    If they have started charging this service fee customers will be less inclined to tip on top. So if the money from the service fee is not entirely being used to increase staff wages, then the restaurant management is effectively stealing their tips. That is wage theft in spirit if not legal definition.

    SCB,

    This conclusions requires two separate assumptions from you that are not evidence-based

    Cybermass,

    The sun’s core being filled with a quark plasma soup instead of, for example cotton candy, is also an assumption that is not evidence-based.

    It’s almost like we as humans can use logic and reason to determine things to be extremely significantly probable without having proof in our hands.

    SCB, (edited )

    Our understanding of the sun’s composition is absolutely evidence-based.

    www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/www_solar/PUS/…/howstudy.html#….

    You’re making the assumption that

    1: this money is embezzled by the owner

    2: people are less likely to tip

    You’re also making a third: that servers receiving less pay won’t go elsewhere

    Whereas we extrapolate from data to understand the Sun (moving from evidence to conclusion) you are starting with your expected result and then manufacturing caused (embezzlement, lack of tips)

    This is the opposite of using “logic and reason”

    NathanielThomas,

    It’s not that we’re assuming the money is being embezzled by the owner, it’s that we don’t exactly trust that this 18%–which instead of going directly to the server is going to the establishment–will be used to solely fund wage top-ups.

    It’s a very safe assumption that anybody who sees an 18% gratuity automatically added to the bill will not tip any further. Some will, but most will be done tipping at that point.

    CmdrShepard,

    I believe you made the argument stating that this is going to reduce server’s wages and if these fees aren’t going to employees and its not the business owner keeping them, then where could that money possibly be going?

    SCB,

    No I said people wanting to move servers to a set hourly wage would reduce their wages.

    CmdrShepard,

    But where’s the logic and reason in this opinion? The other guy is “making assumptions” by saying this will improve conditions when they don’t have to beg for tips, and here you’re saying their wages will go down without any facts or evidence immediately after your snarky analogy about the sun’s position. Ridiculous.

    SCB, (edited )

    That’s not the point I was making though. If the servers are tipped less due to this policy (the other person’s claim) and make less money, they’re likely to quit because serving has extremely high turnover anyway

    However -

    Servers regularly are tipped above “target percentages.” This is a fact - especially once you consider places with low cost-per-plate (diners etc). If you pay them 15% of total sales or whatever you’re essentially capping tips at 15%, lowering their wages.

    STRIKINGdebate2, in What mildly infuriates me is the lack of content control in this sub
    @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

    Hi. Mod here. I am free to discuss this with any users here. If anyone wants to ask me anything you all cam go ahead.

    theCheek,

    What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

    STRIKINGdebate2,
    @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t fucking know

    TheInsane42,
    @TheInsane42@lemmy.world avatar

    European or African swallow?

    adj16,

    Well I’ll ask the obvious question then - can we start removing things that don’t qualify as mild? If so, what has been the issue up to this point: That users aren’t reporting these posts, or that you didn’t want to overstep in your capacity as mod?

    spacecadet, in the internet is worse.

    Worse than what? Paying Atlantic for a subscription?

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    Whether we like the Atlantic or not, I feel like at some point if we want quality journalism we need to fund it.

    WarmSoda,

    I agree, but

    They did it to themselves by starting out with free journalism everywhere on the net. And then it took them far too long to finally realize that ads alone weren’t going to pay the bills. If they had stuck with the magazine rack style from the get go (pay for it + ads) it wouldn’t be an issue.

    If you give everything away for free for thirty years, Then make it worse, and then suddenly charge for it, you’re going to have a hard time getting money.

    cave,
    @cave@lemmy.world avatar

    I pretty much agree, but I really wish we could move away from ads being literally everywhere in our lives. I’d rather them just charge a little bit more and have a better experience. It’s probably falling on deaf ears, though, because nobody ever wants to pay for anything on the internet.

    ZombieTheZombieCat,

    nobody ever wants to pay for anything on the internet

    To your point, maybe if what we got in return were worth a shit, people would be more willing to pay. But it gets shittier and shittier, more and more inundated with ads, worse journalism with more clickbait and AI, all for prices that go up every year to multiple times per year.

    It was more reasonable when you could go to the store and pay for one newspaper or one issue of a magazine. Then if you really liked it you could subscribe. Now there’s no other option but to subscribe. Not everyone wants to be paying a bunch of separate subscription fees per month just to get decent news, and not everyone wants one hundred percent of a news outlets content. But we’re charged for it regardless. Fuck no, no one wants to pay for that.

    Maybe if it were one of the only things that required a subscription. Like it used to be. But now, almost every single thing we use comes with a subscription charge and there’s usually no other way to pay for it. It’s all or nothing. And it gets totally exhausting, aggravating, and ridiculously expensive, especially when they force you to pay for a bunch of shit you don’t need, or they charge you cancellation fees on top of an extra month, or raise the monthly price without telling you, or tack on extra charges for shit that should just come with it in the first place, etc etc.

    My point is, no one should defend the subscription model. If an outlet does good journalism, they’ll have donors. PBS Newshour, NPR, Democracy Now, they’re some of the best souces and they’re all nonprofit. And, what do you know, none of them have actual ads.

    And shoutout to local libraries to loaning current magazine issues online. I get a Libby notification every time the New Yorker comes out. And I’m sure they’re losing a ton of money because I don’t personally pay for a subscription /s

    cave,
    @cave@lemmy.world avatar

    You make good points. I do think maybe if we never went down this road of everything being ad supported, then it wouldn’t be this bad. It is the world we live in now, though, and I doubt there is any going back to what could have been

    Steve,
    @Steve@communick.news avatar

    I can’t stand when companies double dip. I won’t pay if I still get ads.

    willya,
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    What if it comes with one of those cologne insert peel back samples?

    Steve,
    @Steve@communick.news avatar

    Then I must’ve stolen the wrong magazine by mistake.

    what_is_a_name,

    You miss the bigger picture. The shut journalism and propaganda are still free - funded by … other means . That is why magazines males try to be free in the internet.

    You’re also operating with the wisdom of hindsight. No one knew how to handle internet publishing. We all learned together.

    WarmSoda,

    I’m just saying what happened. History is inherently hindsight.

    stillwater, (edited )

    Doesn’t matter how it happened, only that it is happening and everyone is disinterested in saving quality journalism.

    The fact that yellow journalism is free and quality journalism is hidden behind a paywall, and the fact that many internet people are indignant about both journalism in general and paying for it while also guzzling down exclusively headlines and third hand information in comment sections through a firehose, are what will be studied in future decades about why there was suddenly a strange and convoluted anti-intellectual movement in this era.

    GlitterInfection,

    Regulation would be a better way to improve the quality of journalism, IMO.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    But do paywalls actually encourage people to pay? I would point out that NPR/PBS and The Guardian are at least partially funded by the people but still offer news for free and it seems to work.

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    NPR is funded by underwriters, donors, government grants, and licensing their content to affiliate stations. It’s actually really interesting to see how they’ve cobbled it together. So yeah it’s free for you and me but a lot of money is actually flowing back and forth.

    Point being there are a lot of ways to fund things!

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    My point is they don’t have to rely on paywalls. And I don’t know about The Guardian, but NPR isn’t trying to make a profit, which is probably part of it. Anyway, I use it for a lot of my news. It’s not wholly impartial, but it tries a lot harder than most American news outlets.

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    I’m just saying there are a lot of ways to make it work!

    FireTower,
    @FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

    Worse than it had been previously.

    sbg,

    Fair point. I don’t mean to suggest that authors don’t deserve to be paid for their work. And while the article discusses Google and Amazon’s attempts to manipulate online behavior to drive up their profits, I remember a time when paywalls were a rare exception rather than the rule while reading articles online.

    Copernican,

    That’s because there was a time when everyone had print subscriptions that were healthy, and the internet just gave them extra money for ads. When you start losing subscribers because everyone is looking at your shit online for free, you learn you need to charge for it.

    bandario,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Is anyone actually paying for it though?

    Don’t get me wrong, actual journalists deserve a great wage. I just haven’t seen much of it worth paying for in recent years. Real journalists get locked up and it looks like the rest took that threat very seriously. I’m not going to pay money to read corporate puff pieces and controlled opposition.

    Copernican, (edited )

    The Atlantic is a pretty reputable source. And I think there’s a difference between subscribing to news for news reporting like the New York Times, The Guardian, etc, vs subscribing to magazine like the Atlantic, New Yorker, or New Republic that will give you more political commentary and analysis. Both have a role to play and both need subscribers. I subscribe to the Atlantic on and off (I’ve kind of rotated between the atlantic, new republic, and the nation over time). Primary subscriptions for my household are the New York Times and New Yorker. Then I have my annual membership/donations for NPR and PBS. Gotta support the news and good political commentary. It’s holiday season soon. Subscriptions make good holiday gifts.

    ReluctantMuskrat,

    The Atlantic often does long, in-depth stories and has proven to be a very reliable source. Their journalists have proven themselves in getting some great sources. Just in the last couple of weeks admissions by John Kelley and Gen Milley have proven stories The Atlantic broke 2 years ago with anonymous sources were accurate and credible.

    CubbyTustard,

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  • Maeve,

    Yt is complaining about adblocker not being allowed. Waiting for disable unless you whitelist

    PutangInaMo,

    Oh the irony

    MudMan, in Touchscreen smartphones aren't even fun or novel anymore, they're just necessities for daily life
    @MudMan@kbin.social avatar

    I've bought people very nice phones for under $400 multiple times. Recently.

    Flagship phones are grossly overpriced. The midrange is super nice and usable these days, though. It's a side advantage of phone tech standardizing so much. And as you said, being a necessity for daily life it's probably okay to spend at least a few hundred on one you're going to use for several years.

    Is this going to be another "the US has weird ideas about consumer goods" thread? Because it kinda sounds like one.

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