Plus if you drop anything in the bathroom and the lid is up it’s ending up in the toilet, learned that one morning when I was about to brush my teeth, that’s when I became a dedicated kid closer
I’m in sales myself and have always admired people that can close with such young markets. Your TEDx “Never Speak First” on power dynamic sales with preverbal toddlers was riveting, what other tricks have you learned to adapt with new generations?
“By the way, I’m not too sure if this deal will last until after your afternoon nappies, so you should probably think about when you’re gonna pick this up! I mean, what a waste it would be, right? Remember Mr. Sprinklemuffins?”
The short comment I posted should be classified as a quip.
What it actually insinuated is there is a very short list of operating and maintenance procedures for toilets. If you are to the point of closing the lid to contain odors, some of those basic steps might be getting missed. Hence, the quip.
Actually it doesn’t, flushing with the lid closed can leave the particles in the air for up to around 11minutes longer as they exit the side of the toilet with more velocity and pressure. It’s not a sealed system.
Yeah, I’m aware that toilet lids are not an airtight system, I’ve seen them. It still does slow down airflow enough for most of the poop to settle instead of spreading to your whole house.
No it actually does not, it increases the spread and creates a pressure build up compared to being open, you are initially adding volume into the toilet when you flush with the lid closed this pressure build up is greater and spreada the particles further. You are essentially creating a shit nozzle on the sides of your toilet. All the lid does is help the particles become bigger so there are fewer visible particles but they are bigger and travel further, while remaining airborne longer due to their velocity.
That probably means your parents didn’t put it down in the house you grew up in. You would have worked out it was always closed every time you walk in.
So you were never going to learn at home, you did well to work that out at 25
Not how it works, sorry to tell you. In fact, putting the lid down means you are keeping those particles airborne for another 11 minutes or so due to increased pressure with the lid down.
Do you have a source? I googled it and every site listed said you should close the lid. The only one that didn’t was the New York Post, which is a famously inaccurate and overly contrarian news source.
People usually see the initial drop of visible particles to mean closing the lid is better but it just causes the mist to aerosol more into nano particles when the lid is closed. I don’t have the study itself handy at the moment, let me dig a bit more but I did find this article which was referencing similar findings. Let me try and find the paper itself though, but in the meantime here is a small except about the study from a site that was promoting the conference where it was presented at:
Nice way to conviently omit the next fucking bit of the article like Google does 🙄
However, use of the lid also increased the diameter and concentration of the bacteria in these droplets.
It was also found that airborne microdroplets were detected for 16 minutes after flushing the toilet with the lid down, 11 minutes longer than when the toilet was flushed with the lid up. The researchers suggest that this could be due to particles being re-aerosolised from surfaces rather than being created by the turbulence of the toilet flushing. Alternatively, the researchers suggest that airborne particles could stick together, or agglomerate, which would cause them to remain airborne for longer.
I.e droplets with more bacteria lingering around longer in the air and traveling further. The biggest risk with bacterial contamination is concentration, which this literally tells you is increased by putting down the lid as well as spreading further with a longer time airborne. But go on showing your lack of comprehension.
I’d say this is still up for debate. From the papers I skimmed it might be better to close the lid and open the windows. I discussed this in another comment here: feddit.de/comment/5298414
Lid up when flushing means the particles stay in the air for less time vs closing the lid. Closed lid creates more pressure, and the particles will also travel farther.
Only downside is when you’re at a friend’s place and realize too late that they don’t have such an awesome amenity. You end up being the toilet slamming asshole, yet again.
Mythbusters found it makes virtually no difference, and lid down can actually make particles go further due to the pressure forcing them through a smaller gap.
They also, for some reason, last about 11minutes longer in the air when closed. The studies are misleading because they say there are fewer visible particles, but the bacteria count remains the same.
Yes, I followed the ones posted. None of them say the opposite, they all leave out the results from the lidded flushes. And someone else posted a paper that showed that although lid closed produced fewer particles, they were larger, and lasted longer, so flushing lid closed was not particularly more hygienic.
I’m not sure how this qualifies as being any better, I read this one previously and found it to be lacking in actual data information. It makes claims but literally anyone can write whatever they want on the Internet. It’s not enough data and not clear on how they actually measured or how many measurements they took
Although Mythbusters is not a peer reviewed scientific source, they do employ reasonable standards of experimentation.
And the first source you posted is particularly interesting, with similar conclusions to what I remember from Mythbusters; that lids reduce the total number of particles found, but that the particles produced from lid use last longer and are larger. So a lid closed situation can;t really be said to be more hygienic.
Unfortunately on a cursory skimming of the other articles none of them seem compare toilets with lid down to lid up, they all seem to look at lidless toilets only. Thus, they can;t really speak to the topic of lid use being more hygienic without the direct comparison.
The meme is making it look like seat down is presumptuous, which it is not. It has the least effort vs hygiene trade-off, since sitting to pee is much more hygienic.
I agree, and I propose a second reason: it is too easy (for my dumb self, at least) to not realize the seat is up, try to sit down, and go for an unexpected swim
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