Chessmasterrex,

I’m surprised anyone there knows that the UP of Michigan exists. It’s a sparcely populated area with low crime. Hunting, fishing, snowmobiling and drinking.

mechoman444,

Mackinac Island!

Karyoplasma,

So it’s basically Canada?

BeanGoblin,
@BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah but with pasties

Pulptastic,

Yeah they don’t deserve this shade lol. Smoked fish, nature tourism, and yooper sensibility.

draz,

Pretty sure the UP is catching a stray bullet fired at the rest of Michigan lol

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

So…Michigan as usual.

angrymouse,

From a south american perspective, one color, “hates me”

aidan,

Many areas in the US are plurality Hispanic

angrymouse,

Two areas then.

Knightfox,

I’ll say that it’s more like one political party, not the whole group. I honestly don’t think most USA Americans (trying to be specific) think much about South America generally. In general the average person here doesn’t know much about South America, they may know about a certain dictator or problem. They might think of certain areas like Buenos Aires, Rio De Janeiro, or Bogato because these places appear in the media (like Fast and the Furious or the Rundown). In general the average person will never go to one of these places but sees it as mysterious, potentially exciting, but also potentially dangerous place (to be fair they also look at places like NYC and Las Angeles the same way).

Disdain for South Americans mostly comes from the idea that you might want to immigrate and

ih1.redbubble.net/…/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,…

It’s entirely grounded in racism, fear of change and fear of the unknown. The other group really doesn’t care too much and would be open to immigration as long as you’re not a bad person. Unfortunately our politics have made it so that the smaller group has too much say in these things.

Vorticity,

I’d just like to point out that some European countries have higher rates of incest than the US.

Cousin marriage is also illegal in much of the US while it is legal in much of Europe.

In fact, if this is to be believed (not a clue how accurate this is), Spain, Portugal, and Italy (as well as Canada and Mexico) have higher rates of incest than any single state in the United States.

angrymouse,

I like this kind of statistics, but it is counting only investigated cases? In this cases is common that developed countries with more women’s freedom would appear higher in statistics. If you see only official cases you will see that Sweden has a higher rape by inhabitant than India, Bangladesh, Yemen and Brazil. This is probably not true, and is possible to happen because women are more prone to report rape in Sweden than in these other countries.

…wikimedia.org/…/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_popula…

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

This is totally believable, but Europeans don’t think that America is more incestuous than Europe. They think that that part of America is more incestuous than the rest of America.

sparky678348,

I’m curious if that’s based on truth or just yeehaw gottem

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Good question but I do know that there are a few towns in Vermont populated by solely one family making me quite surprised it’s Alabama that is the incest state and not Vermont I’d gladly take the title of desolate maple state over I fucked my mom state

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

I always heard the “US has more laws against cousin marriage” as “we had to introduce full on laws because y’all wouldn’t stop fucking your cousins!”

foo,

Specially the incest states

aidan,

Except Alabama has lower rates of incest than many of those countries.

Ookami38,

That doesn’t matter. The comparison is Alabama:rest of the USA, not Alabama:Europe

aidan,

True, I do think it’s weird they chose Louisiana for the incest part, but I guess that’s just their geography skill

Ookami38,

I mean, yeah, they boiled down all of the SE to Florida and incest lol. I don’t think the map is supposed to be exactly accurate. And they’re not THAT far from Alabama all considered.

ivanover,

where can I find the notion about Italy, Portugal etc in the link you provided?

Clbull,

I’m surprised it’s criminalized in Texas and Kansas…

mechoman444,

I knew there was something funny about those Canadians.

Aceticon,

Being Portuguese, I can assure you that we’re not doing it with our sisters, though I can’t really say how much marrying with cousins is going on (whilst I don’t know a single person who has done it, I haven’t exactly researched the matter).

IdleSheep,
@IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s mostly cousins and mostly in villages. It was somewhat common (as in, it wouldn’t be seen as completely out of left field) to marry your cousin some decades ago. I know a few seniors who either married their cousin or know someone who did. However it’s definitely an older generation thing, I’ve never heard of someone younger than 40 doing it, and I doubt it’s that common these days.

conno02,
@conno02@lemmy.world avatar

incest needs to span further upward i think, but other than that it’s a surprisingly accurate depiction of the US lolol

Anticorp,

They think Seattle is full of cowboys?

Speculater,

The dancing kind, but yeah.

Sludge,
@Sludge@sh.itjust.works avatar

Maybe not two step, but the Sturgill Simpson kind

speaker_hat,

Seattle sounds cowboy-like

Paradachshund, (edited )

As a born Seattlite, all I can say is this town ain’t big enough for the two of us pardner.

Anticorp,

Yeah that’s real good, cause law just don’t go around here, lawdawg.

averagedrunk,

I’m retired.

Carlo,
Senuf,

For me Seattle will always mean grunge and I’m stuck in the 90s.

arken,

Seattle: Jimi Hendrix, grunge, rain

Anticorp,

Coffee and more rain. Although it’s beautiful and warm right now, shockingly.

Lemjukes,

I mean thats what happens when you murder or drive out all the original inhabitants. Then you get to start your own history, that was the point, right guys?

fsxylo,

I’d change Florida to Disney World because that’s the main reason anyone would get a passport to go to Florida.

Anticorp,

Not to see Gator World?

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Sad gator noises

dangblingus,

Put some respek on the peninsula! It’s gorgeous up there!

RaoulDook,

Florida is the Penisula and it has gator

hungryphrog,

Penisula?

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

No, but yes.

wizenheimer,

They put Detroit in the wrong spot

DragonTypeWyvern,

And yet there’s nothing else in the UP, besides cold, and you will note it is a dark blue.

superfes,

Not entirely inaccurate…

thefluffiest,

And where do the religious nuts go?

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Yes.

Muffi,

They bring the incest, of course

Anticorp,

Cowboy, incest, and gator.

cmbabul,

On this map, they’re all over New York too

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

Don't you know that the entire west coast is just Los Angeles?

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

Las Vegas, LA

troglodytis,

Reno is further west than LA

Edit:oops

Earthwormjim91,

No, not even close.

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

Las Vegas, Pacific Ocean

balderdash9,
EternalNicodemus,
@EternalNicodemus@lemmy.world avatar

What comparison is that lmao

caesar_salad83, (edited )

yeah, but for example: Luxembourg - the last grand duchy in the world, one of four institutional seats of the european union, capital city is an UNESCO world heritage site, has a 1000 years of history.

Idaho - potatoes. wait… maybe it’s Iowa? or Ohio?

edit: really seems like people can’t take a joke, lmao

DragonTypeWyvern,

No one under a monarchy has actual pride in their people and country, why should we care that the city was founded from a royal whorehouse by people we’re also descended from anyways?

Nolegjoe,

The fuck are you talking about?

DragonTypeWyvern,

Something bootlickers can never understand.

PP_BOY_, (edited )
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Idaho - potatoes. wait… maybe it’s Iowa? or Ohio?

Idaho and Iowa and Ohio all had rich histories going back tens of thousands of years before Europeans destroyed them lmao. You’re just upset they don’t have 1,000s of years of white history.

Also it’s funny you mentioned Ohio in your comment because the Ohio Mounds became a UNESCO heritage site like a month ago

rimjob_rainer, (edited )

Oh, so you know all that history? And how much of that culture is still prevalent? And how much impact did it have on the rest of the world?

Those Mounds are barely 1000 years old. Ireland has similar structures and they are about 4000 years older.

But who cares anyway, in the end the history of America is bound to the history of Europe because the majority are descendants of Europeans while the natives were suppressed and eradicated.

PP_BOY_, (edited )
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I studied pre-Columbian America for five years in University so yes I absolutely know that history lol.

“All” that history? There’s no such thing. But it doesn’t help that the majority of it was burned down or killed by colonizers a few hundred years ago.

And how much of that culture is still prevalent? And how much impact did it have on the rest of the world?

You are literally proving my point about Europeans destroying American history

rimjob_rainer,

Studying 5 years of primitive history? What are you going to do with it?

aidan,

Tenochtitlan was the capital of an empire of 5 million people that only fell apart in 1521 because of disease brought by colonists. What are you going to do with the history of which Hapsburg married which cousin?

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus, shut the fuck up. We get it, you don’t think any culture other than your white European culture is worth studying.

rimjob_rainer, (edited )

white

Why are Americans so obsessed with race?

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Because we’re literally talking about the native people’s of the Americas and their cultures, who happen to be not white and colonialism was spurred on in part due racism.

Hem and haw as much as you like but race and racism plays a large part in how and why contemporary America exists today.

aidan,

Poland - borscht and poverty. wait… Maybe it’s Ukraine? or Belarus?

Sweden - vikings? wait… Maybe it’s Norway? or Denmark?

Germany - Fascists? wait… Maybe it’s Italy? or Hungary?

France - bread? wait… Maybe it’s Netherlands? or Germany?

Yes, it’s easy to trivialize something you know nothing about. Now maybe it’s not interesting to you, but to the horror of history YouTubers- everywhere has history, and the history of some random inbred monarchs isn’t exactly relevant or interesting to everyone.

cashews_best_nut,

Poland - borscht and poverty. wait… Maybe it’s Ukraine? or Belarus?

I’d say pierogi is more synonymous with Poland. Also it’s economy is one of the greatest successes of a post Warsaw nation. It out performs the former East Germany in several metrics.

Sweden - vikings? wait… Maybe it’s Norway? or Denmark?

All three produced Vikings. Though the ones that harassed England were mostly Danish Vikings with some arriving from Norway and Sweden later on.

Germany - Fascists? wait… Maybe it’s Italy? or Hungary?

Germany and Italy both had fascism. Italy invented it during WWI.

France - bread? wait… Maybe it’s Netherlands? or Germany?

And Baguettes and croissants and frig legs! Germany does have some…interesting bread varieties.

the history of some random inbred monarchs isn’t exactly relevant or interesting to everyone.

European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs. The language you speak, the political system you use all came from Europe. Your insults come across like a teenager ranting at his parents that he’s smarter than them.

aidan,

And Baguettes and croissants and frig legs! Germany does have some…interesting bread varieties.

Baguettes and croissants are also bread…

Your insults come across like a teenager ranting at his parents that he’s smarter than them.

I think you don’t understand what I said. I am not insulting Europe, I am European. I am criticizing your closeminded perspective on what you don’t know about.

European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs.

Of course, and the history of every US state is a lot more than just potatoes.

European history is a lot more than just some inbred monarchs.

If you’re talking about the US, a constitutional bicameral presidential republic, with three branches and a judiciary of your peers, was first done in the US. In fact most modern constitutions are inspired by the American constitution.

cashews_best_nut,

If you’re talking about the US, a constitutional bicameral presidential republic, with three branches and a judiciary of your peers, was first done in the US. In fact most modern constitutions are inspired by the American constitution.

  • Republic - Greece and Rome.
  • Democracy - Greece
  • Judiciary & Jury - Saxon/England
  • Common Law Legal System - Saxon/England
  • Principles of the Enlightenment that inspired the Founding Fathers - Germany, France, Italy and England

More countries have used the Canadian constitution than the US as their framework.

aidan,

Yes, amazingly, literally everything is inspired and influenced by things in the past, since the US founders were influenced largely by European cultures they were influenced by Europe. But of course, all those European cultures were even more significantly influenced by Levant cultures. Why learn European history that was just savages a few thousand years ago when you could learn Levant cultures?

WhiteHawk,

Pretty bad comparison

  • size is irrelevant
  • american states are provinces, not countries. how many americans know the provinces of Germany?
  • identifying states when most of them are just rectangles is damn annoying
III,

It’s a fairly reasonable comparison.

Just trying to throw away the concept of size is probably the most unfair thing here. You are trying to change the conversation so your argument appears valuable. Then you kind of piss that attempt at goal post moving by claiming that while size is irrelevant, somehow shape is. What a strange move.

You make a good point on the US state vs Country comparison, I think that certainly plays a much larger part than size or even population. But if you wanted to argue that point, rather than dismiss relevant concepts or inserting ridiculous ones - you could rebut with a question like “can you name the subjects of the Russian Federation?” Or, if you are in a fighting mood (which…clearly), you could just respond that American exceptionalism has them overvaluing the relevance of US States on the global scale.

WhiteHawk,

The shape thing wasn’t really meant to be taken seriously…

You’re the one being defensive here, so I won’t bother arguing with someone that starts out as hostile as that

III,

Haha, hostile. I merely pointed out your failed points then suggested a better means of sharing your valid point - going as far as agreeing with you… that’s hostile? Yeah, okay.

WhiteHawk,

That’s not the part that was hostile, but if you can’t see that yourself, I won’t be able to help you either

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Germany might be the worst European country for your example. I’m sure most Americans could name at least a few German provinces just from German prevalence in Western culture. France or Italy? No way.

US states also have considerably more autonomy than most of their European counterparts. It’s not at all an exaggeration to say US states operate as their own nations while the federal government mostly just handles international matters.

identifying states when most of them are just rectangles is damn annoying

This is true. Even as an American I doubt I could properly name all the Midwest and New England states on my first try.

Taringano,

I’m not American but I do live in Europe and I only know Bavaria as a province of Germany.

Can’t compare all the 50 states to full blown countries as most of them have low population. California though has like 60 million people, so everyone should know that one (and people do, it’s movies)

PP_BOY_, (edited )
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like the majority of Americans could name at least Bavaria, Saxony, or Hamburg if asked.

24 US states have populations of over 5 million, ten of which being over 10 million. Like you said, states like California, Texas, Florida, and New York all have populations in the tens of millions. It isn’t like they’re all just hollow areas of land

Solemn,

I think you’re really overestimating how much most Americans think about Germany. The first result on Google says only 20% of Americans can name all 50 of our own states, and a shockingly large amount of Americans really don’t know anything about the world outside of 100 miles of where they were born.

I’m betting we’re gonna run into a selection bias issue here, but can you name any Chinese provinces? Or Argentinian ones? I’d guess most Americans think about China more than Germany these days, and couldn’t name any Chinese provinces besides the major cities at most, and even then I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew none of those. Germany really doesn’t come up in conversation any more than Argentina, other than many a few more people coming back from vacation in Germany.

I’m admittedly terrible at European geography, but I’m not exactly ashamed of not being able to name all the countries in Europe, since it’s generally not relevant information for me. I’m sure I’ll learn more about it when I plan to travel there.

Knightfox,

From the US: I know those names, I didn’t know they were provinces. I thought they were cities to be honest.

Perfide,

Can’t compare all the 50 states to full blown countries as most of them have low population.

Sure you can. The least populated US state(Wyoming) has about 50,000 more people than the least populated EU country(Malta). Every single state absolutely can be comparable to at the very least small countries. California alone has one of the highest GDPs in the world.

MonkderZweite,

It’s not at all an exaggeration to say US states operate as their own nations while the federal government mostly just handles international matters.

Part of the problem, yes.

paddirn,

To be fair, the incest is probably a bit more widespread than that. Also, potentially more popular in Appalachia than around that area. I think eastern Kentucky/West Virginia has the highest rates of inbreeding than any other part of the country, at least that’s what some other guy on the internet commented, so that’s a fairly trustworthy source.

DragonTypeWyvern,

You should look up Kentucky Blue People.

sachamato,

I always assumed that the cowboy area was bigger!

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

Everything’s bigger in cowboy area

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