MechanicalJester,

No caffeine or stimulants after noon. A considerable percentage shouldn’t have it after 10 am frankly.

Try this: 1 week of no caffeine and no chocolate At least 20 minutes of exercise - can be split upper day Finish eating dinner and snacks by 7pm No gaming or stimulating entertainment 30-60 minutes before bed. Manage noise, light and other triggers.

Smart watches or similar are good for watching your sleep quality.

pensivepangolin,

To the people downvoting this: why?

It seems like pretty common sense advice to me.

SeducingCamel,

Because they drink caffeine all day, snack all night, and browse on their phone for 2 hours in bed every day

thecrotch,

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  • Demographics,

    Goddamn what a fucking reddit comment chain.

    rchive,

    Because it puts some responsibility back on the individual and makes it harder for people to blame “modern society” or capitalism or something for their problems.

    Meowoem,

    I imagine because it’s trite and largely debunked pseudoscience from that weirdly Puritanical natural health ideology.

    Some people can’t regulate insulin, some people can’t digest lactose, some people have neurological structures that inhibit motivation, some people have gastric complexities that cause pain and discomfort with bowel movements, some people are prone to migraines… And yes some people have genuine conditions that affect their sleep which requires medical intervention.

    The childish notion that medication is bad and people who use it simply aren’t taking responsibility for their lives is not only stupid it’s hurtful and dangerous.

    Stop trying to bully people out of getting the help they need just because you personally don’t need it.

    pensivepangolin,

    I don’t think the comment to which I replied denied that some people have medical problems preventing sound sleep. As a matter of fact, I am someone who deals with chronic insomnia, and wouldn’t tell someone suffering therefrom it’s in their head.

    Nor does the comment I replied to suggest people shouldn’t take their medications for various physiological or psychological ailments. It seems to just be a post of common sense tips to the average person without complicating medical conditions and for whom these tips would make some difference.

    Not everything failing to explicitly carve out exceptions for every single minority case is an attack on them!

    Meowoem,

    This whole meme is suggesting that sleep aids are a terrible curse on modern life and a lot of posters are agreeing and blaming people taking them - seriously go and look at how many comments say that people don’t sleep because they’re not willing to do work or take responsibility for their health.

    I’m not even sightly exaggerating when I say that this kind of ‘don’t get your mental health condition treated because medicine is for losers’ mentally totally ruined a huge chunk of my life. ‘it just turns you into a zombie’, ‘you just need to learn to cope without it’, "exercise and diet are real medicine’ it might sound like happy well meaning advice ‘they’re over medicating to make money and hurting people’ might have some truth to it even, the problem is it builds a culture where people avoid seeking help for conditions that could be helped and this can have hugely detrimental effects on people.

    pensivepangolin,

    Oh, I think I see what’s going on here. I think you’re answering me as though I’m talking about the actual post. But I’m talking specifically about the comment to which my initial comment is a reply. I think we’re talking about two different things!

    I wouldn’t argue that you’re wrong that discouraging people from seeking medical attention or treatment is dangerous to their health! I do think medication is overprescribed in America, but I don’t think that it’s a blanket statement that should be used to discourage seeking medical care.

    I hope this clarifies thing a little!

    PP_BOY_,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    You mean I have to take responsibility for my physical health?

    afraid_of_zombies,

    What are you supposed to do? The noise and distractions are constant. Besides the only time I can get any household work done is after the kids go to bed.

    IMALlama,

    People really underestimate the amount of time kids take. You may think you know, but it’s a whole other thing to live it. Wake up to kids, get kids situated for the day, work, get the kids, feed the kids, play with the kids and take them to activities, bathe the kids, put the kids to sleep. Any time for anything for you/your spouse/the house happens after they’re asleep. Sure, you can take them to the store but that causes headache. Sure, you can do housework with them around but if you’re home alone with them they’re more likely to be actively undoing anything you just did the next room over than to anything else.

    Kids are a lot of fun, but they’re also a lot of work.

    moog,

    I sleep without any of that idk what you’re on about

    Exusia,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed. Don’t need any meds to get me through my day. Man I can’t imagine having to stretch my already tight budget even further for a regular perscription.

    moog,

    Exactly I don’t have the money to pay a subscription fee for sleeping

    NABDad,

    Just gonna throw this out here:

    Sleep with Me Podcast

    Bedtime stories that bore you to sleep. It doesn’t work for everyone, but it changed my life.

    Anticorp,

    “Literally everyone”

    You keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Sotuanduso,

    Figuratively everyone.

    Shapillon,

    I don’t get why it grinds everyone gears. Isn’t it just an hyperbole? (y’know like for the hypersoups ¯_(ツ)_/¯ )

    Anticorp,

    What bothered me about it was that they’re stating it’s everyone doing these things, but I think it’s probably a small minority.

    LifeInMultipleChoice,

    Someone sourced a couple higher in the comments. Their info showed 2% of the populous doing what “literally everyone” is doing. The other stat they included was 80% of the populous had never used a sleep aid in their life. So the talk of it being hyperbole is even a stretch.

    Saying literally everyone in the U.S. is a cigarette smoker would be more accurate. (Not accurate)

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    It is hyperbole, but the problem is that it’s using a word that was supposed to specify that something was not hyperbole as hyperbole, rendering it useless.

    ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

    the problem is that it’s using a word that was supposed to specify that something was not hyperbole as hyperbole, rendering it useless.

    … Or… Because it’s a word specifically meant to indicate it is not hyperbolic, using it in that way is literally the superlative hyperbole.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    At the cost of the word’s intended use, unfortunately. RIP literally. It literally died.

    Classy,

    Now you have to hit literally in the chest with an adrenaline shot to bring lividity into its decaying body.

    quite literally

    actually literally

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    A good point, I haven’t seen “quite literally” used to mean “figuratively.” Perhaps there’s some usefulness to be had yet.

    ImFresh3x,

    People, including many famous authors, have been using literally this way for hundreds of years.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, but its use to mean its opposite didn’t become widespread until the past decade or so.

    ricecake,

    People have been complaining about it longer than a decade, so you’re way off there.

    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

    Tldr: common use in the “figurative” sense for since the 1800s.

    ImFresh3x,

    Incorrect. People have been using it the way you are complaining about for hundreds of years. It’s a new phenomenon that people complain about it being used the way you disapprove of. I’d attribute the recent complaints to lack of literary exposure and anti intellectualism in recent years.

    JackbyDev,

    rendering it useless

    Another example of hyperbole.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay, rendering it far less useful.

    ricecake,

    Except some of the earliest uses of the word “literally” that didn’t pertain to letters and glyps we in the form of hyperbole.
    Literal as factual and literal as exaggeration both about the same age and precedent, and have been used long enough that it’s just part of the English language at this point.
    May as well complain about how “discreet” and “indiscreet” are opposites, but “flammable” and “inflammable” are the same.

    people.sc.fsu.edu/~jburkardt/fun/…/autoanto.html

    English is a language of contradictions and massively confusing syntax. News at 11.

    seliaste,
    @seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Is that a LinksTheSun reference

    Shapillon,

    It might’ve been where I got it from :p

    It wasn’t conscious but I used to watch what he did awhile back.

    theragu40,

    I think because it’s a pretty gross mischaracterization of the demographic? Usually hyperbole is used for effect to more emphatically illustrate a generally true or accepted point.

    The number of Americans who use nightly sleep aids is extremely low. Like, a vast vast majority of people never take them. I don’t know anyone who regularly takes them, and honestly I don’t know many who take them even occasionally.

    So this meme uses hyperbole to drive home the idea that Americans have a pill problem regarding sleep aids and no one in Europe does. I have no idea how the numbers shake out in Europe but I can say in America it is not as characterized. So it’s less hyperbole (exaggeration of a fact) and more like a lie.

    Shapillon,

    Ok so I did a quick search and:

    • 2% of americans declare using sleeping aids daily.
    • 18% declare using some some

    So yeah the amount of people “litteraly using medication to sleep every night” ia quite low. The use amongst the population is still generally high so I wouldn’t directly classify that hyperbole as a lie. (but I’m not claiming I’m right on that it’s a feelings calculation).

    I’m also pretty sure these numbers are underreported for example because of the stigma around using “recreational drugs” as an illegal mean to self medicate.

    Also it’s nice for you to have nobody (that you know of ofc) struggling to sleep.

    Where I’d personally feel more nitpicky about that meme is the opposition with Europe. I don’t think we sleep much better. A lot of people around me (and myself included) heavily rely on sedation in one form or another to have any semblance of sleep. Although there might be some selection bias since alot of folks I know are handicaped in one way or another so we don’t tend to have the best physical and psychic health ^^’

    theragu40,

    Appreciate you finding numbers when I didn’t go to that effort. It makes me wonder if numbers are pretty similar globally. 2% having chronic insomnia doesn’t sound completely out of line to me.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Not literally literally, figuratively literally.

    JackbyDev,

    Hyperbole: A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

    Meowoem,

    Yeah but there has to be some reality to it, sleep for a year makes sense because you’re saying ‘I’m super tired and I could sleep for a real long time’ all of which is true, this is saying ‘a majority of people in place A do this thing that is unknown in place B’ which isn’t even close to an approximation of reality.

    LemmyIsFantastic,

    The stories and shit people come up with over a meme is crazy.

    “Americans are often over medicated”, “we are addicted to coffee”, and other imaginative crap to support meme based evidence 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    pensivepangolin,

    I mean….I think Americans are a tad overmedicated

    troglodytis,

    I just lay down. Ain’t got time for all that other stuff

    Obi,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    All I usually need is a random YouTube video essay.

    bella,

    Got some channel recommendations? I’m about scraping the bottom of the barrel, even the home feed is only recommending videos I’ve already watched

    Alb,

    EmpLemon is always great, Alt Shift X has some fun ones on sci fi too, but Id guess u know both already, still might as well mention them on the low chance u dont

    Forester,

    Posy

    Not many videos but good

    Uncle_Bagel,

    SEA is my go to. It’s all astronomy documentaries and are amazing while also being a snooze fest. He has an entire video of just videos to sleep too!

    Rediphile,

    The really good ones you actually don’t want, because it will keep you awake.

    Shard,

    Here are some I enjoy. All have a good voice, not overly expressively and no sudden change in background tracks. No sudden screaming/explosions/anything that will wake you.

    John Michael Godier Science/Speculative Scifi, Low Soothing voice, even has a sleep playlist.

    Issac Arthur Sci-Fi, Calm voice, Good background track, Long Videos

    Darth Gandalf Fantasy, Soothing Voice

    Forgotten Weapons Firearms, Historical and Mechanical overviews and indepth discussions. I recommend you skip the shooting range stuff if you’re trying to sleep.

    Cool Worlds Science & Astronomy. Great Narrative Voice, Calm background tracks.

    North02 Science, Anthropology & Natural history. Soothing Voice, nice selection of long videos.

    Natural World Facts Deep Sea biology, excellent soothing narrations, very good soothing background tracks.

    Skkorm,

    Fuck Europe, they pretend like they have everything figured out while racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia run rampant in basically every country besides, what, one Scandinavian country kind of? Italy literally has a blackface festival ffs.

    Europe needs to sit the fuck down.

    teichflamme,

    Blackface is a very American thing that lots of people in Europe don’t give a shit about

    Knightfox,

    I’m curious what your point is, are you saying black face is only racist in the US?

    teichflamme,

    Essentially yes. The application of paint to one’s face by itself isn’t a racist act.

    For some reason it’s seen as the epitome of racism in the US, but that’s a cultural thing.

    Knightfox,

    Simply applying paint to your face isn’t racist, but if you’re doing so to impersonate a different racial group it’s definitely a racially insensitive thing. You might have no malice in doing so, but by virtue it is a form of mockery.

    teichflamme,

    It’s not a form of mockery, that’s just the US cultural interpretation of it.

    If I put on an iron man suit I’m not mocking iron man. If anything I’m giving him credit for being a cool dude.

    Context matters.

    Knightfox,

    I’m not sure how to tell you this, but it is racist and if you think your example is proof to the contrary you really don’t understand.

    Black face originates from a racist depiction of black people and while it may not get the criticism it does in the US, it’s still racist.

    A big part of why racism against blacks is such a big topic in the US is because there are so many more than in Europe. There is estimated to only be ~10 million Black Europeans of African descent, while the US has ~42 million. Just because you don’t know someone that it offends doesn’t mean it isn’t racist.

    This is the exact same argument I heard growing up in the Southern US. I had something like 10 black people at my school and some of them had confederate flags on their cars. The Confederate flag was considered a symbol of Southern heritage to us, with no malice behind it, furthermore it didn’t seem to offend anyone. All the same it is still racist to fly a Confederate flag.

    To help out here is an article that talks about the subject www.cnn.com/2019/11/30/europe/…/index.html

    teichflamme,

    So your evidence is an American written article about why something perceived as racist in America is racist anywhere?

    You’ve gone full circle, dude.

    big part of why racism against blacks is such a big topic in the US is because there are so many more than in Europe

    You know it might also have something to do with that tiny thing about the southern states and slavery and so on.

    Let’s just agree to disagree, you are missing my point entirely and keep doing so.

    Knightfox, (edited )

    So your evidence is an American written article about why something perceived as racist in America is racist anywhere?

    So your first rebuttal is going to attack my source when you originally referenced Marvel Comics…

    You know it might also have something to do with that tiny thing about the southern states and slavery and so on.

    Your next rebuttal is a strawman attack which does nothing to refute the rest of my argument

    Let’s just agree to disagree, you are missing my point entirely and keep doing so.

    And then finally you just back out of the discussion. You really showed me.

    If you want, here is an article by Al Jazeera (www.aljazeera.com/…/the-netherlands-black-pete)

    Here is one from the Netherlands branch of Humanity in Action (humanityinaction.org/…/black-pete-analyzing-a-rac…)

    Here is one that is from the US, but includes quotes and comments from afro-spaniards (theblackwallsttimes.com/…/european-peoples-obsess…)

    Here is one from Afrofeminas, a Spanish anti-racism group (afrofeminas.com/…/4-razones-porque-los-pajes-negr…)

    Yeah, the US had a lot of slavery and it’s been an ever-present spectre of our history, but it’s also made us acutely aware of racism. I’ve now given you 5 different links with 2 of them coming from Black sources saying they feel like the practice is racist. One of the sources even includes the Dutch Prime Minister changing his opinion about Black Pete celebrations noting that it was offensive to others.

    Even if it were just black people in the US who say it’s offensive, isn’t that enough? Surely you’re not making the argument that it’s only offensive if it’s done in the US, but totally not racist if done outside of the US?

    If you want to continue strawman attacking the character of people in the US, or the US’s past, rather than having meaningful debate that’s on you, but as it stands I’ve pointed out multiple sources that say it’s racist or at least offensive to an racial group.

    teichflamme,

    Look man, even if I provide you with 5 opinion pieces about it that say it’s okay would it change your mind?

    Do you think black Pete or Belgium are the only ones with traditions like that?

    What’s offensive or not is upon the people to decide and blacks in the US do not speak for the rest of the world.

    You know there’s also black people nit offended by some or all of these traditions. What now?

    Being especially racist also doesn’t make a country experts on racism. If it were the case the US wouldn’t be as racially divided as it still is. I’d argue it’s way, way worse then most first world countries to be honest.

    Knightfox, (edited )

    Look man, even if I provide you with 5 opinion pieces about it that say it’s okay would it change your mind?

    Sure, if they are meaningfully compelling, but if you just have some guy saying, “It’s my tradition,” it’s hardly compelling. Saying something is tradition is an argument which Americans have seen for a long time as a defense of racist stuff, especially systemic and institutional racism.

    What’s offensive or not is upon the people to decide and blacks in the US do not speak for the rest of the world.

    Agreed, but that’s also why I included examples of black people from other countries giving their opinions. The Afrofeminas article talks at length about it, I had to have the page translated into English so my quote may not be 100% accurate.

    in several publications from the late 19th and early 20th centuries, both from Alcoy and other places, the characters carrying the scales are described as “slaves”… “Therefore It is evident that from the beginning of the parade the victims of slavery are being mocked and enslaved black people were being represented in a grotesque way.”

    In an environment like the city of Alcoy, with a migrant population that normally occupies the lowest socioeconomic level and that numerically is approximately 10%, (the black-skinned population is barely 1%) it is difficult for racialized people to have the desire to raise his voice to complain about the parade. Furthermore, they will have witnessed the virulent reactions that the mere idea of ​​not painting the pages provokes in the citizens of Alcoy.

    It’s not fun for us. I know that this really matters little in this society where black face in general, and the Alcoy pages in particular, are a clear manifestation of the disturbing relationships between white fun, black domination and ridicule that come from the times of slavery.

    Here is another article (english.elpais.com/…/1513600440_342120.html)

    Alcoy’s pajes are by no means the only Spanish tradition to attract criticism. Be it the re-enactment of wars between the black-painted Moors and white Christians, the frequent choice of non-black performers for the role of King Balthazar in the Three Kings parades that take place across the country, or even the Spanish-made sweets Conguitos – Little Congolese, there are many examples of Spain’s naivety to the representation of black people.

    Here is an article talking about everyday racism faced by black Spaniards (english.elpais.com/…/1484151919_267996.html)

    "Los Conguitos [a popular brand of chocolate] is a very crude representation of us: a black guy with a loincloth and a spear,” says Bermúdez.

    The Spanish media has not helped to change the collective image of black people, argues Napi, insisting that instead “they have helped perpetuate the stereotypes.” Black people are often associated with illegal immigration or crime. Advertisements also tend to exclude the black community.

    “The racism in Spain is structural,” says Gerehou.

    For Macedo, racism lies in the small details and daily obstacles. For example, one of her professors asked: “What’s a girl as black as you doing in university? Perhaps you should look for a husband because you shouldn’t be here.’”


    You know there’s also black people not offended by some or all of these traditions. What now?

    I spoke about this earlier, you’re literally making the same argument that racists in the US have been making for over 100 years. Just because some black people don’t think it’s racist doesn’t suddenly make it not offensive.

    It’s like if you said that a black person said it was ok to use the N-word so it must not be racist?

    Being especially racist also doesn’t make a country experts on racism. If it were the case the US wouldn’t be as racially divided as it still is. I’d argue it’s way, way worse then most first world countries to be honest.

    I would argue that racism has been a more central subject in the US in the last 100 years, but a quick study will show that discrimination has been a major part of European history. Whether discriminating against Romani persons, Jewish persons, Sub-Saharan African persons, Muslims, and more. Hell, the American colonists literally brought it over from Europe, we learned it from Europe.

    There is a whole Wikipedia article talking about the history of racism in Europe and it’s not as old and forgotten as you might think (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Europe).

    EDIT: I would also add that we have already established that there is a higher percentage of black people in the US than in Europe. Another article I included cites the opinion of black Europeans that they can’t speak out about racism because they are so little represented. So it’s not that Europe isn’t as racist as the US, but very possible that it just doesn’t get spoken about as much.

    drolex,

    We certainly have self-deprecation figured out, yes. And racism. I think we invented it. 💯👌💪

    drcabbage,

    I get it, America does suck, but it becomes exhausting consistently being told how much America sucks.

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Does crying yourself to sleep every night count as “taking something?”

    Maggoty,

    Yes. It’s an endorphin release.

    ArmokGoB,

    The trick is to force yourself to go to sleep at a reasonable time every night. Some people have actual problems that this won’t solve, but it does wonders for most.

    BigBananaDealer,

    my body refuses to feel well rested unless i sleep until 11 at least. no matter what time i go to bed

    Rediphile,

    Just change the time on your watch back a few hours so what used to be 11am is now 7am (to you at least).

    BigBananaDealer,

    not possible anymore since i work 2nd shift. dont even get home til midnight

    mcmoor,

    I’ve heard that forcing yourself to wake up in the entire afternoon (from 5am!) do wonders to make you desperately want to sleep at 9pm.

    Kase,

    Force yourself to go to sleep? How do I learn this power? I mean I can go to bed at the same time every night, if that’s what you mean, but sleep is a different story lol

    ArmokGoB,

    Sleep every other day for a month like what I had to do when I switched from college to a 8-5 full time job.

    Kase,

    Oof, congrats on surviving that lol

    Meowoem,

    The trick diabetics need is to force yourself to regulate insulin. Are they fucking stupid or something? Just digest the sugars like a normal person! I can do it so why can’t they? Lazy and feckless!

    Surp,
    @Surp@lemmy.world avatar

    Aw see this is the kinda love we need. Thanks Europe! Can you help us? 😭

    khannie,
    @khannie@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s gonna be OK, friend. It’s gonna be OK.

    GiovaMC,

    There, there…

    m3t00,
    @m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

    Mmm brains Mmm

    thecrotch,

    I took a poll of indigenous cultures around the world and judging by my results no, the Europeans are not interested in helping

    CryptidBestiary,

    I don’t need any sleeping aid to go to sleep at night. My secret is that I’m always tired.

    ComradeWeebelo,

    Ahh yes, a kindred soul.

    Classy,

    Having a very physical job is my secret. Constant running around to grab stuff, lots of math in my head, running a saw for hours. My fiance says I fall asleep within 5 minutes

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I found an amazing cure for my insomnia. It’s called ‘being in your late 40s.’

    khannie,
    @khannie@lemmy.world avatar

    Like seriously my forties have been the worst I’ve ever slept. Thirties definitely my best sleeping decade so far from a restfulness perspective. Glad you’re rocking it though. Gives me hope.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Once I hit 45, I started going to bed at 8.

    BeardedBlaze,
    @BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world avatar

    Ironically, I developed insomnia right after turning 40… Went on a 6 straight days of no sleep couple of weeks ago. Thank goodness I’m also laid off…

    Kase,

    F

    klemptor,

    My forties have brought night sweats. If I don’t set the AC to 63° I wake up just absolutely drenched in sweat, it’s awful.

    watchdogreset,

    Please talk of this to your physician, if you are healthy and have night sweats it could hide something bad. Happened recently with a friend. Could be nothing at all but better safe than sorry. Take care ;)

    klemptor,

    Thanks but I already know what it is - perimenopause!

    Texas_Hangover,

    Yeah, but what about the heartburn?

    schema,

    Losing weight helped me a lot.

    Gabu,

    Stop eating American food, works 9/10 times.

    grandkaiser,

    instructions unclear, Turkish gyro still gave me heartburn (but it was worth it)

    oatscoop,

    … are you from one of those cultures that doesn’t use spices?

    Gabu,

    I’m from one of those cultures that doesn’t stop using spices. A quick reminder that the poison authorized by your FDA as “food safe” doesn’t count as a spice.

    Maggoty,

    Well when you have to work your entire waking existence…

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