I have no problems saying excuse me in a loud clear voice and blasting right through the center of those conversations. Being a performer at the local Renaissance festival for 30 years teaches you how to blow right through crowds with people in the way.
Ok I’ll bite. Fully reclining my seat shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person slamming their knees into the back of my seat preventing me from fully reclining should be more looked down on. The reason is that reclining doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but pushing your knees into someone else’s seat absolutely does.
All passengers have the same and equal freedom to recline their seat if they choose, except for the people in the emergency exit rows of course. It’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy the ticket. If that interferes with the knees of the person behind me that’s not my problem. The designers of the seats should ensure that fully reclining the seat doesn’t reduce knee room for the person behind me. The airline constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my comfort on a flight I paid for (just like everyone else did) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the airline’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough knee room in a regular seat with the person in front of you fully reclined, then you’re literally too big for that seat. You should buy a “comfort plus” ticket. The airline should force you to do so.
I'm 6'5". I'd love to hear your suggestions for what I should do with my legs when you recline your seat. Do you think I can just take them off? Am I supposed to sit sideways with my legs in the lap of the person next to me? Am I supposed to do Yoga for a year before I get on a plane, so I can spread my knees out 180 degrees from each other and you can lay your head on my dick?
I'm not "slamming my knees into the back of your seat". They simply exist where you're trying to be, and the fundamental properties of matter are causing them to collide. You can be as pissed about your comfort as you want to be, but it's not going to change my knees into ethereal ghost knees so your seat can lean back.
Probably best you instead get seats with more leg room rather than blaming it on people leaning their seats back. Just like larger people should be buying two seats per airline rules, it’s just easier to either get an exit row seat or pay extra for a row with more room.
People of all sizes are entitled to use the facilities they paid for equally. The airline should provide a solution for you, not the other passengers. You should patronize airlines that fulfill your needs and not patronize the ones that don’t. I actually like the ultra low cost carriers that have solved this by simply not allowing the seats to be reclined.
Unless it’s 9pm on an overnight flight you shouldn’t be reclining you seat.
Anyone reclining their seat to take a nap on a 2-3 hour flight is a dick, because the nap is not necessary. It’s just preventing the person behind from being able to use the table tray or read or watch their movie or work on their project in their laptop because their already limited space becomes unusable.
It also does absolutely jack shit in terms of comfort or sleep. People are obsessed with their half centimeter of recline for the same reason they are obsessed with cutting through side streets to avoid a single stoplight - because it is a petulant display of pointless sovereignty for miserable henpecked assholes.
You clearly don’t have many health problems. Not reclining the seat makes my arthritis flare up so bad I can barely walk, due to many airlines making their seats pretty much vertical. And if it didn’t make things more comfortable then why in the world would people even bother leaning their seats back at all? Have you ever considered maybe you’re the outlier here?
there is a difference between something being the airlines responsibility, and you still having some form of etiquette and thought for others when said airline wont fix the issue.
just because it shouldn’t be your problem doesn’t mean it isn’t. absolute individualism is a curse
If we acquiesce and make up for the airline’s failures by taking matters into our own hands, that just enables the airline to continue to not fix the issue. It’s the same thing as tipping at restaurants. We have to tip because the staff don’t get paid enough otherwise. The restaurant is passing off their shortcomings to the customers. The system only works because we agree to participate in it.
“but what about MY comfort” says the insufferable assholes who make everyone less comfortable by reclining on a plane. Like they’re the only ones uncomfortable on a plane and they’re the only ones smart enough to figure it out.
No, you aren’t the smart one who figured it out and everyone else are NPCs, you aren’t the main character, you’re the asshole of the story.
So the seat is there and it can be reclined but I’m not allowed to recline it because… courtesy? What if there just happens to be nobody sitting behind me? Should I still not recline as a gesture of solidarity to the people who feel social pressure not to recline? The airline is at fault if we’re going through these mental calculations. Every passenger should feel free and unencumbered to use 100% of the facilities on the plane they paid for. The airline should ensure it. They’ve failed to keep their passengers comfortable if they don’t. The blame for that shouldn’t be passed to other passengers.
Yes, airlines literally have failed to keep customers comfortable, that’s the entire point. Zero people are comfortable on that flight, and everyone knows that when someone reclines back into them it becomes even less comfortable. You aren’t making your experience better, you’re making someone else’s worse. The airline failed by making seats uncomfortable, and you’re making a bad situation worse for the person behind you.
Just because you can do things does not mean that you aren’t an asshole for doing those things. You’re allowed to block aisles in a grocery store, to go slower than the speed limit, to buy the last two packages of cookies when you know the person next to you also wants one, you’re allowed to do lot’s of things in life. It doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole for doing it. (In fact the entitled attitude you have without a care for anyone else kinda really drives home that you are)
Enjoy getting kicked repeatedly then. If you don't like it it's not the person kicking you who is responsible you can talk to the airline if you don't like it.
Actually you’re right, it’s that person’s prerogative to try to make themselves as comfortable as possible with the resources they’ve been given. They shouldn’t care about my comfort just as I do not care about theirs.
Ok I’ll bite. Blocking the whole aisle at the grocery store shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person rudely interrupting my conversation should be more looked down on. The reason is that having a conversation doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but interrupting us and walking in front of us absolutely does.
All shoppers have the same and equal freedom to have a conversation if they choose, except for the people without friends of course. If that interferes with the shopping of the person trying to get by me that’s not my problem. The designers of the grocery stores should ensure that the aisles are wider so they can get by me. The grocery store constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my conversation when I’m buying groceries (just like everyone else) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the grocery store’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough room to get by in a regular row, then you’re literally too big for that store. You should go fuck yourself. The grocery should force you to do so.
It’s hilarious that you’re downvoted because asking them to move has never failed in my experience. Given I’m in the Midwest and there’s the whole “Midwestern sensibility” stereotype, but I don’t think anyone here is different from anywhere else.
Most people who do this either don’t think about the fact they’re blocking the whole aisle or they don’t realize you want through. A simple excuse me will let them know
Where I am we’d just say excuse me and they would move. However the point is that people are so in their own world they don’t think about others not being able to get by.
Praise Satan for grocery delivery and pickup. No more memorizing a store or searching for an hour for that one little thing. No more women getting creeped out for no other reason than you’re a man in a grocery store. As if, beach - no one wants to fuck you.
No kidding. If you think you’re creeping out women by being “a man in a grocery store” there’s something off about either your behaviour or your perception of the world.
Store associates (and their little stock search devices) exist so you don’t have to memorize the store or search for an hour. Just ask them a question, that’s literally their edit: our job.
This is a pretty bitter and antisocial meme. God forbid that people enjoy a normal social life and live in a community where they have the opportunity to encounter people they care about and connect with them. Do you really prefer an impersonal and anonymous public life?
I think it’s more the inconveniencing of everyone around them.
If they meet each other in the aisle and decide to go off into a more open area or out of the way corner to continue their conversation, far fewer people would take issue.
Instead, often, two people will block an entire aisle, oblivious to everyone around them. Hence the meme.
That book was written before the internet existed, all he did was go outside and blow up silly little social situations into crises.
If internet neckbeards added anything, it was pretending like they actually ventured outside to experience these situations from the safety of the comment sections so they could justify their petty little Two Minute Hate sessions.
You're totally right, that makes me feel so much better about having to wait idly for the next 19 minutes rather than get my shopping done. They're not in my way, they're connecting! I should try to connect with them, too!
Wow, they left. Why don't they want to connect anymore?
Such a weird take. Just say excuse me or I need to get through. Very easy. People aren’t mind readers and they aren’t purposely trying to make your life harder.
Seriously what the hell is going on in this thread. Think everyone should take a deep breath and realize that we all make mistakes and inconvenience each other sometimes, but most of us will also correct our mistake if it’s brought to our attention
but most of us will also correct our mistake if it’s brought to our attention
Most of us will literally never make that "mistake" because we're aware that other people exist, even when nobody's standing next to us screaming "HEY, I EXIST! CAN YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT PLEASE?"
People aren’t mind readers and they aren’t purposely trying to make your life harder.
Oh, now I get it. They just don't even notice or acknowledge the existence of other people unless someone reminds them that such mythical beings exist.
Yeah, you're right, I'm much more sympathetic to them now. They're not mean, they're just amazingly self-centered and oblivious!
Hey man if you want to read every interaction in the worst possible light that’s on you. I think most people aren’t some narcissistic machine invented to inflict maximum social damage to poor little 6’5" guys.
Hey man if you want to read every interaction in the worst possible light that’s on you.
Please suggest to me a better way to read an interaction in which someone in a very crowded public place just happens to forget that the possibility exists that another human might also need to get down that aisle. "Oopsie doodle! I forgot I was surrounded by a hundred people who would really rather get this chore done as fast as possible! Again! Silly me!"
Give me a charitable interpretation of that person who doesn't take even a split second to consider anyone else in their environment without having to be verbally admonished.
“Sometimes I get really excited when I see a friend and don’t realize I’m blocking the way.” That’s how people think. No malice. I hope this helps you see another way to read a slight inconvenience instead of Ultra Gigachad Malice Narcissist Blocker 5000.
This is totally bouncing off of me. How can a person, in a public space, surrounded at all times by other people, just forget they exist for any amount of time, for any reason? They're fucking everywhere. They're breathing, they're talking, their cart wheels are squeaking, the footsteps from their rubber-soled shoes are echoing off the hard tile floors, how do your senses just stop registering any of that?
I’m glad you are very considerate and have never made a mistake when excited about something before. Good for you friend.
I'm serious, though. How do you make that "mistake"? How do you get so excited that you completely tunnel-vision out the simultaneous existence of hundreds of people? That's absolutely in no way neurotypical.
“Oh hey, my friend is in this aisle, and I don’t see anybody else here, so no harm in talking.”
Not their fault if after that they’re too distracted talking to notice someone walk past the aisle, looking in to see that it’s blocked, and choosing to go around instead of saying “excuse me.”
Yes, I am incredibly unfriendly when I'm trying to get my shit done. I want to be out of that place as fast as fucking possible. I don't want to linger, I don't want to chat, and I sure as fuck have never in my life been so distracted that a hundred other moving, talking people just vanished completely from my awareness. Is that some kind of ADHD thing? Some manifestation of executive dysfunction, like always being late and never letting anyone else talk in a conversation if they can't actively shout over you?
It’s interesting that you see someone having a talk and not being a 100 % aware of their surroundings at that moment as “self-centred”. Believing that everyone all the time should be aware of you and move out of the way for you in a hurry so you aren’t inconvenienced for even a second also comes off as quite self-centred.
It's not just me. If I was literally the only other person in the store, sure, I could understand that, they thought they were alone, they weren't expecting to encounter anyone else.
How the fuck do you just stop being aware of an entire seething mass of other humans flowing around you?
It's fine to meet people and talk in stores. I do get OP's annoyance in some people's lack of spatial awareness though, that they might be blocking access to something people wanna buy or even blocking the entire fucking aisle. Usually a polite 'excuse me' does the trick but some people actively pick a fight upon hearing that phrase.
Usually a polite ‘excuse me’ does the trick but some people actively pick a fight upon hearing that phrase.
Win-win situation. Either they step aside and apologize (only ever had this one happen), or they get rude and I get to unload all my pent up rage on some unsuspecting civilian without feeling bad about it. Like free therapy
Walk around if you’re to shy to speak up, you socially handicapped looser. How can you live a single happy day if that’s already enough to ruin one for you?
Or people could not be unaware jackasses and not stand in the fucking isle blocking other people. You think that would be a pretty simple concept but you people sure don’t seem to understand it
Who the fuck is talking about guns? This is just about people who can’t be bother to step to the side while having a discussion with their friends. I don’t care if you want to have a 20 minute chat in the isle at the super market, but be aware of your surroundings, don’t block the traffic and move to the side if you’re in front of something that another shopper needs.
It’s totally fine to talk in the store… Also why do you care about their kids. Just ask them to step aside if they’re in your way. They’re rude if they don’t accommodate you then, but otherwise this seems fine??
Nobody’s point is that the store should be a place of ecclesiastical silence. They’re saying it’s annoying when people block the aisle to have a conversation that benefits no one but them.
It’s cool that you ran into your friend at the store! While you and your friend talk in a place that doesn’t inconvenience everyone else, no one cares, and no memes get made about it.
The point is they should get out of their way on their own instead of taking up the whole aisle.
It’s the same as when you’re walking in a busy city, don’t stop to talk/figure out where you are/take photos right where you are, kindly move to the side of the sidewalk to allow others to pass. Being aware means you shouldn’t need people to tell you when you’re in the way, you should make the effort of taking two steps to get out of people’s way before it’s ever an issue.
this is secretly a meme about how mothers are slowly isolated from their friends by a society that expects them to be full-time caretakers and nothing but—to the point that they apparently need an excuse to spend an hour chatting about their life with their peers
Interesting take. I didn’t even consider that perspective.
Now I feel bad for being mad at them for taking time off my life to deal with their inconsiderate behavior.
We need to cripple the housing market and all move in together. 'Member the big buildings in Dredd? That’d be cool, except no to all the drugs and pollution.
Jesus wasn’t a 100% easy to manage child. Remember that time he stayed behind when Mary and Joseph were heading home from a festival, and they searched for him for several days? (Luke 2:41-49)
Naw, very big truth to this one. Sorry not sorry, happens at least every other visit. Many times will involve a dense husband but almost always older women.
ahhh hello, friend I haven’t seen in a while, let us talk for about an hour about life while totally impeding our progress in our current work because our discussion is a lot more important and engaging than whatever work we were supposed to be doing.
moments like these is why I sometimes I wish I could shut someone’s mouth immediately.
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