Drbreen,

Before anyone can make a claim, the higher fortitude shall remain paid. Once all has it seen in the night, a high token must be reached.

ieightpi,

Lol I love this take

phoenixz,

Not controversial, just plain true. This university sports thing from the US is crazy

baseless_discourse, (edited )

On the other hand if most of your school’s money is in some investment firm, instead of invested in the wellbeing and learning of your employees and students. And you have a investor as the person with the highest salary.

Then your “school” is more of a financial institution than a school. And probably should be taxed as such.

Looking at you, Harvard: reuters.com/…/harvard-posts-investment-gain-fisca…

mindbleach,

Exceptions will be made if having a behind-the-scenes money fountain means tuition is basically free.

Still looking at you, Harvard.

g0d0fm15ch13f,
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

The idea though is that a good sports team will draw eyes to the university as a whole. Texas, California, Tennessee, Florida… All these programs have vastly overpaid coaches it’s true. But as a result you get free advertising as fans wear the team colors all over town.

Also shameless plug for our college football community !cfb

mriormro,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

All the advertising your institution should need is the research coming out of it.

Intermural sports are fine but if that’s mostly what your university is known for then, as the post mentions, you’re not really a university.

g0d0fm15ch13f,
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

And how do you propose to pay for this world class research in a world where federal university funding is constantly hamstrung by conservatives and skyrocketing tuition costs still can’t cover it? If I had the ability to charge 100,000 people 20 bucks (actually way more) a week, that’ll certainly create a dent (not to mention apparel revenue and TV contracts). Sports departments are net positive revenue for an institution, and when they aren’t they get cut. Again I fully believe that coaches are overpaid, but it’s not for no reason.

paholg,

Do you have a source that sports are a net financial positive for schools?

Here’s an article about students being charged thousands of dollars each per year for sports programs: nbcnews.com/…/hidden-figures-college-students-may…

Here’s an article showing that only 25/65 Division I schools had a net positive revenue from sports: bestcolleges.com/…/do-college-sports-make-money/, with those losing money losing a lot more than the ones making money.

Another: pbs.org/…/analysis-who-is-winning-in-the-high-rev…

Just search for “college sports net revenue” and I’d be surprised if you find much, if anything, that agrees with you.

g0d0fm15ch13f, (edited )
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

www.statesman.com/story/sports/…/70322362007/

Literally the first link I clicked shows for the 2021-2022 year these universities listed bring in somewhere between 1 and 20 million

sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Here is the referenced list where you can check all D1 universities for this year.

Edit: And with TV deals being restructured I wouldn’t be surprised if the SEC/B1G start bringing in even more.

Double Edit: And regardless, alumni donations for academics increase relative to that teams performance (specifically championship appearances/wins) gceps.princeton.edu/wp-content/…/162rosen.pdf

paholg,

Yeah, the few at the top bring in revenue, but most don’t. Speculating on future revenue is not helpful.

If you’d read the links I shared, you’d see the revenue figures include alumni donations, and they’re still a net negative for the majority of schools.

ryathal,

Universities lose money on sports in net because of title IX. Football/basketball subsidize every other athletic program at a university.

Also reports generally don’t include donations as sports revenue, but a significant chunk are absolutely related to the athletic program.

g0d0fm15ch13f,
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

Title 9 is the definition of great idea but terrible execution. It has caused tons of men’s non revenue programs to fold in the past few decades. Notably, as a swimmer, the University of Iowa no longer has a men’s swim team, and they literally invented butterfly.

ryathal,

There’s really not a good solution. Non-revenue sports are always going to be facing cuts. If you limited to having similar sport offerings, then it’s probably only basketball, baseball/softball, and football/something that are offered, and even baseball is limited to a handful of universities.

If you limit scholarships like the current system, because football has so many scholarships, there needs to be 4-5 women’s sports to be balanced. If you add some rules to force offering a men’s team for each women’s team, then it’s a huge benefit for the men even if there aren’t scholarships available.

greencactus, (edited )

I think the concept of a sports coach at an university is inteeresting in general. At Europe and the colleges here it doesn’t really matter which sports team your institution has as long as it offers good education. It is always interesting to see that for whatever reason it can be different.

Edit: typo

jawa21,

I agree with the sentiment here, but there are incredibly good schools with high profile/high earning teams.

tacosanonymous,

Same. At my Uni, zero tuition dollars go to boys’ football or basketball.

Karlos_Cantana,
@Karlos_Cantana@kbin.social avatar

But the teams don't get the money, just the school and the coaches.

jawa21,

That true. But the coaches? The coaches make insane money.

ook_the_librarian,

The post never said that the side hustle was subpar. I did undergrad at a middling university and a mediocre sports, and I did grad school at a good school with a top tier basketball team.

To me, it seems the point of the post is that it is telling that there is a correlation. A well-funded university has a well-funded sports team. It sometimes feels the other way around with a well-funded sports team providing a well-funded school. Advocates of college sports actually tout that as feature.

It is so deeply rooted in our culture that I don’t even wear my alma mater hoodie because I don’t follow basketball. Sports is the only reason why anyone would that apparel, I guess.

dudinax,

And if the two highest paid public servants in your state are the University football coach and the State football coach, what sort of government is it?

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Ball is government. Ball is life.

nonfuinoncuro,

What happened to Shrek? Does he play ball?

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Egg, not ball. Balls are round.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

eggs are malformed balls

ColeSloth,

Nerd jealous of the jock that brings more money into the college.

ModsAreCopsACAB,

You must be a bit confused from all those concussions in your football games. Leave education to people who can at least read.

sarchar,

It’s perfectly possible to have a great sporting franchise and a great education at the same school. As they say, porque no los dos? This comment is clearly bitter towards sports for no reason.

gamermanh,

The OP never said that the education wasn’t good, only that it was the side hustle

Like the other guy said: work on reading comprehension, you sound like an ex football player from HS who took one too many shots to the head and is now perma angry when he doesn’t understand basic sentences in English anymore

rescue_toaster,

User you are replying to wasn’t replying to OP?

Maybe my reading comprehension is bad, but it seemed obvious to me user was replying to a specific comment seeing how it was a reply to that nerd comment instead of OP and post used the phrase “this comment”.

ColeSloth,

Never played and tested out at college level for reading in 5th grade. I’m just not bitter or delusional about “for profit” colleges paying the people who make them the most, the most money. Look at the Florida Gators. They spend like $12 million a year on coaching for a program that gets $40 million in profits to the school. No professor is going to bring in that. No professor is going to help a college that much. A profitable sports team brings in more money for a college than anyone else.

nonfuinoncuro,

/r/iamverysmart

lugal,

If money is the metric, it’s all downhill from there.

FierroGamer,

Just so you know, the complaint isn’t towards the coach, rather the institution.

tastysnacks,

Its a bad theory. The university near me loses money on sport. Like 1-2m a year. The coach is the highest paid, of course. The annual budget of the universal is 900m. Sports is small potatoes compared to everything else.

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