I went to a takeout place once where they ask you out loud about if you want to add a tip and I said no. It’s the most awkward thing to say out loud. At least when they ask about donating to save animals or whatever the animal isn’t right there staring you down
For real. I place an order, you hand me food. I am not paying extra because you typed an order in your computer and you handed me food. And they still look at you like you kicked a kitten at some places.
In Seattle, it’s pretty obvious if they’re going to ask for a tip so you can plan for it. They’re actually outgoing and nice to you, lol. I know that trick!
Yeah, people thinking they can end tipping culture on an individual basis are lying to either us or themselves. It’s like thinking your personal commitment to recycling is going to fix climate change. Tipping sucks but the fix is going to have to be systemic, through legislation almost certainly. When you individually refuse to tip you aren’t hurting the culture or the business, just the individual who provided you a service.
I agree with that. If you go to a tipping restaurant and just don’t tip you aren’t actually attacking the culture because A) The culture is driven top down by the business. and B) The business isn’t running on tips. When you pay the bill minus a tip, the business still got every dime they were intending to. They have no incentive to change.
So even if you don’t agree with me that this is a systemic issue that requires a systemic solution, you have to not give tipping businesses money at all if you want to even have a hope of making an impact on an individual level.
The other side if that is why should I tip you for putting cookies in a box. Or putting my take out food in a bag. Why should I pay 20 percent added on top because their manager doesn’t want to pay them and instead puts the expectation on me the customer.
Like, I get it for if you are serving me food, refilling my drinks etc, but these people need to get real.
I could do that, or I could just keep hitting “No tip” when I know they literally did nothing but hand me the thing I ordered across a counter.
For the sake of argument I could boldly reach across the counter, grab my order and walk out. Would that be cheating the clerk out of money? If that interaction is required and it costs money I’d be the one that felt cheated. That’s in the realm of Ticketmaster convenience fees
Yeah but it’s not like I can easily go to places that don’t require tips though. It can often cost more to go to a place that doesn’t tip than the value of the tip.
So you actually like the tipping system because it allows you to get a meal cheaper at the expense of the person who just served you? Because the way you say this it doesn’t seem like you actually want tipping to go away since it’d make your meals more expensive.
It can often cost more to go to a place that doesn’t tip than the value of the tip.
Sure sounds like your ideal situations is to go to tipping places but not tip to save yourself money at the expense of a working person. Go eat at McDonalds, they don’t do tips.
I don’t think a lot of these places “expect” tips. It’s just that they’re all using the same e-commerce kiosks now, and it’s a standard thing with a tipping screen everywhere you go.
I’m a generous tipper when it comes to bars, restaurants, or food delivery, but if it’s something that nobody tipped for 5 years ago, I ain’t tipping for it now just because there’s a kiosk in my face.
What do you mean charge 20%? How sure is the consumer to be that that 20% goes to the employees?
Are they just tacking on 20% because they realize they can get that extra fee for no reason? It’s bullshit and predatory. People are looking at prices to judge where they want to/can afford to eat at and this behavior makes the business look cheaper at first glance.
No, fuck that shit. No tipping and no “service fee” bullshit. Just give us normal, straight prices on the menu. If you cannot afford to pay your staff at the prices for the meals, raise the prices.
I’ve seen places that even write on the menu “to pay our employees a living wage” or similar to justify the fee. Which again, is fucking bullshit! A businesses inability to price its product is no reason for me to deal with fees.
My point is that if someone leaves a 20% tip, that goes to the server and whoever they need to tip out like bartender and busboys. But it goes directly to them. When a business implements a service fee, that direct line to the service worker goes away. If I’m told there is a 20% fee to pay staff, I expect it to go directly to staff.
I’m all for dropping tips and paying living wages. But a “service fee” isn’t the way to do it. Just raise the damn prices.
A mandatory 20% fee is just the business saying that everyone has to tip 20%, and trust us that it actually goes to the servers/staff. There is functionally no difference culture-wise between giving consumers the choice to tip 20% and mandating a 20% service fee. It’s the same as the “gratuity added to parties over 8.”
I occasionally go to a liquor store where the till asks if you want to tip, and it’s the most ridiculous thing ever because it’s a small store and the clerk isn’t helping you find shit.
In this specific instance, not much more, because I live in one of the few states where the minimum wage is the same for tipped and untipped workers (although gig drivers are still getting screwed here).
I have no problem tipping wait staff or bartenders for the service, but I’ll be damned if the cashier at my local Chinese restaurant is getting a tip because they handed me a bag of carryout food I ordered online… tipping has definitely gotten out of control.
With this little change, you might think you’re supplementing their minimum wage pay, but the owner can lower their pay to the “federal tipped minimum” in some states. You basically just make it cheaper for the owner in the long run (they’re probably sold on this by the Point Of Sale software company), and the workers can get little or no extra money.
I feel you on that, but I’m in California so that’s not the case here. I think owners/companies are just able to pitch counter help to job hunters as $x/hr plus tips, and people feel compelled to tip when prompted on the screen while the counter person stares them down.
Tip functionality is a business decision that comes from the top. The Devs have no say in whether a feature is included or not, and dislike it as much as you do.
If you’re serving me alcohol (or something similar) at a bar, you get $1 per drink. If you’re taking my order at a table and bringing me food, you get 15%. That’s it.
if I have time, I will Google the starting pay at whatever place and see if they are paid above minimum wage or paid that ridiculous $2 an hour that wait staff get since they also get tips.
This is really hard for me but I have had to put my foot down in recent times. It still makes me uncomfortable but I just can’t support this anymore. If I’m sitting down at a restaurant with a server I tip 20 - 25% but I’m tired of tipping for takeout and I absolutely refuse to give extra when checking out at a store.
That’s the golden number for me, but only if I eat in the damn place, not takeout. I also tip gas station employees only when they calibrate my tires or wipe my windows.
Tips have crept up because cost of living has crept up but minimum wage has not. People can’t live on 2.25 plus tips and 7.25 if you don’t make enough tips to be more than 7.25. It’s just insultingly low wages and impossible to live off of
Tip value sure, but tip percentage? I mean think about it, the price of the food will go up, so the percent of that elevated food price will also go up. Like, if I bought a $20 meal and tipped 15%, that’s a $3. But if because of inflation or whatever, the $20 meal increases its price to $40, a 15% tip is now $6. The tip has gone up, but the percentage has remained the same.
So why are tips now going up to 21, 23, 25, hell I’ve seen a tablet that suggested 30%? (We all know the answer why, I’m being rherorical.)
As funnystuff stated in the other reply, since food prices have gone up, tip amounts have gone up as well.
The two main reasons I see that tip percentages have crept up is the social pressure to not be the one that tips “poorly” and that automated prompt with suggested tips.
Those end up in a feedback loop. If you’re standing next to someone and the tip options are 15, 18, and 20 percent, there is a social pressure not to tip the lowest amount. It’s the same where if there are 3 wines on the menu, the cheap, the reasonable, and the expensive. Most people won’t buy the cheapest option. The cheapest option is there to pressure you into the middle one. Well, now that they have that, why not slowly increase the suggested amount to 18, 20, 22. Or like we are seeing in a lot of places now. 20, 25, and 30.
What sucks is that there are no repurcussions for businesses that suggest these larger percentages. Nor are there any for businesses that traditionally are not tipped to display the screen as well. Not until we either pass legislation to regulate tipping prompts or collectively refuse to purchase services from these businesses.
I understand what you’re saying, and agree it’s impossible to live on minimum wage in a big chunk of the country. However, tips are already pegged to inflation. If food gets twice as expensive, your 20% also doubles. For folks like Teachers, they might be lucky to get a 1 or 2% cost of living adjustment each year. That’s waaaaaaaaaay below inflation, and just falls further and further behind, like the base minimum wage.
We’re talking percentages. There’s no reason why the percentages should have crept up when cost of living has gone up considering prices have risen along with the rest of cost of living.
Fuck it. 15 percent tops for me. This 20-25% for a tip? Fuck that.
Of course it’s the employers responsibility to provide good wages, I never said otherwise. All I said is the minimum wage of literally $2 if you’re tipped is ridiculous
Same. It gets a little skewed towards higher % at lower dollar amounts though. I might have a $8 meal with a water and leave $2. It’s worth more than $1 and I’m not messing with change.
This is my policy if it’s a sit-down restaurant with servers making minimum wage… I absolutely refuse to tip fast food. Because I work in fast food, and over time I’ve seen wages get more and more skewed towards dependence on tips. It’s insane. Just give us a living wage, is that too much to ask of this capitalist meat grinder?
Same. The point of a tip is to tip the waiter, not anyone else. Tipping someone who’s taking my order at the counter just seems weird. Same with tipping in a mobile order app.
Not tipping at all is seen as rude in the US culture.
Besides, there’s a difference between below average service and absolutely horrible service. For example, there was one time years ago at a restaurant where my family went out to eat. First, our waiter got my mom’s order wrong. Then, when she mentioned it to our waiter, he picked up the incorrect item off the plate with his hands. I’m sure there’s more that I’m forgetting as it was years ago, but I think our entire meal (five people) ended up being comped. We were not happy.
Honestly I dont use percentages unless the meal is insanely expensive. I never tip at something as simple as a coffee shop or quick-dine-and-go thing (unless I’m a regular). Otherwise they get 5, 10, or 20 depending on service and food (regardless of total meal cost). My favorite places always get a little extra (5 -> 7, 10-> 15, 20 -> 25)
I don’t go to coffee shops but I wouldn’t tip there either. I don’t think I should be responsible for paying employees a living wage. Charge me appropriately for the item and pay your fucking employees.
I agree that’s how it should be, but how things should be doesn’t pay the bills. Don’t take your anger out on the employees. Those are the only people you’re hurting.
First of all, I don’t go to coffee shops which is what we were talking about so the point is moot. Second, the fact that you seem to think it is the customer in the wrong and not the employers shows just how brain washed you are by corporations. People have been unionizing and striking across the country for living wages and that is the answer, not shaming the customer. Wake up.
Jesus fucking christ my dude. Not going to coffee shops is a valid option, but since you apparently haven’t noticed there are not yet living wages in most of the country. Either don’t use the services or tip until there are. Have some goddamn class solidarity and don’t force people to work for your benefit for poverty wages until things get better. Don’t pretend your greed is socialism.
It’s the tipped employees who don’t realize they are getting fucked and maybe their clients shouldn’t be the people expected to fill the shortfalls of their paychecks instead of, you know, their boss. It’s not the people who work regular jobs themselves where they are not tipped.
Source: Working the first tipped job I have ever worked and motherfucker these people are entitled. Delivering pizza to poor people living off of disability and judging them for not tipping. It makes me fucking furious. I live in a state with one of the highest minimum wages in the country, it’s not like these people are being paid $2.13 an hour. Depending on the day they can make $30+ an hour when you include tips. They’re so fucking angry and shitty and petty when people don’t tip. It’s like, I guess fuck anyone who just wanted some comfort food in the middle of their shitty lives and it’s not their fault your boss doesn’t pay you better. I have previously only worked jobs where I was never tipped but still had customers acting entitled. People who demand or expect tips on top of the highest minimum wage in the country are fucking crybabies angry at the wrong fucking people. That’s on them, not the people tired of the bullshit tipping culture.
Because a lot of people who live on a fixed income like social security or disability simply don’t have the privilege of being able to do so?
They often can’t afford to live anywhere but a Food Desert, and often don’t own a vehicle in a city with few public transit options. Things like this can severely limit their choices on which company to spend money.
The reality is poor people shop at Walmart because in a lot of cases they really can’t afford not to. This is what people fighting against expansion of companies like Walmart twenty years ago said was going to happen. They will dominate with low prices until they’ve pushed out all other viable businesses, and then you’ll be left with no choice but to spend your money with them. This was all on purpose at the corporate level. Not sure why you’re blaming 20-30 years of corporate choices with very little pushback from city governments on the people who don’t have other places to shop anymore.
In that case if we remove tipping, the prices of everything on the menu goes up 40% (because you know damn well the business owner isn't going to give up that sweet sweet cut of profit) and the poor folks can get nothing and like it.
Please note that I am NOT in support of the tipping culture system. Only pointing out the inevitable backlash of removing it without proper support in place. Prices of all food will increase everywhere to make up the difference and we either reach a point of equilibrium where the price goes back down because nobody can afford a pizza anymore, with the associated lowering of quality to make up for the price lowering; or else a few hundred thousand folks are suddenly out of jobs.
If we just remove the ability to tip and follow it up by telling the business owners "fuck you, figure it out", they will 'figure it out' by firing a bunch of folks and raising base prices. This might even be healthy for the industry, but I doubt it. It'll just end with most folks never going out to eat again.
Fair point. That works for Europe because I think greed is less of an all-consuming force over across the pond, maybe. We've managed to make it something of a way of life here in the States.
Hopefully I'm wrong, and there is a way out of this hellhole that doesn't involve mass unemployment. But given our past record with most things, I'm not holding my breath.
The unfortunate truth is that they do until they don’t - Anyone I’ve spoken to in the service industry has basically said that they love the good busy nights and the rest is stressful. Nobody should have to worry that they might not get generous enough customers during their workday, else basically starve. What a horrible way to live.
Not tomorrow either. Flashing that in front of me doesn’t mean I’m tipping you for grabbing a donut 6feet away from you and putting it in a bag. That’s literally your job. Charge me the amount it costs for the item and your labor don’t try to prey on my charitabilty. I use those feelings to distribute the limited extra I have to give to research for sick kids, educational charities, housing initiatives, and anti-gun lobbyists. Fuck if you’re anywhere near those categories donut slinger. Tell your boss to fuck himself for even putting that shit in front of customers.
As a weed smoker for something like 25 years who has spent his time doing a lot of studying of the science because I understand that it is not an inert substance, and I know its affecting my health long-term somehow…
I’ve seen the studies that have shown specific strains have more to do with different “highs” than whether it is indica or sativa (nevermind that there is no such thing as a true indica anymore.), do you have any idea how I feel when some fucking twentysomething starts telling me about the (bogus) differences between sativa and indica and expects me to give a shit when all I care about is potency.
Like sorry, you’re not getting a tip for knowing less than me, some bum off the street, about the stuff I’m putting in my body.
You really, really wouldn’t want to smoke a pure indica, imo. I’ve smoked an actual indica and it was mostly stem and tasted like dirt. It has not had the selective breeding that has produced big, oily buds that people love to smoke.
It’s honestly a lot like corn before it was selectively bred by humans for thousands of years versus modern corn. Imagine that the modern corn is a modern weed bud, and compare that to what nature gave us…
Using 14,031 single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) genotyped in 81 marijuana and 43 hemp samples, we show that marijuana and hemp are significantly differentiated at a genome-wide level, demonstrating that the distinction between these populations is not limited to genes underlying THC production. We find a moderate correlation between the genetic structure of marijuana strains and their reported C. sativa and C. indica ancestry and show that marijuana strain names often do not reflect a meaningful genetic identity. We also provide evidence that hemp is genetically more similar to C. indica type marijuana than to C. sativa strains.
That last bit from the abstract is the money quote on Indica. Real Indicas are closer to hemp, and hemp hasn’t been selectively bred for flavor and getting high. So a “real” Indica is going to be a lot like smoking… hemp.
Anyway, long story short is that individual strains and the chemical combinations therein have more influence over the high you get than the idea that they’re “sativa” or “indica.”
Here’s an article with a short interview with Sean Myles, who was involved in and credited with this study.
You seem really mad at the person behind the counter, perhaps instead consider being mad at the millionaires and billionaires in charge that decided to make it this way.
Not mad at them, just not impressed enough to pay beyond the asking price. I don’t have a sense of guilt or obligation about it. When possible I would urge people to choose jobs that pay fairly and don’t support this awful system. I fully understand that’s easier said then done (I’ve been there myself). I don’t even really blame the millionaires. We all have at least a touch of greed in us, some more than others, and any system that allows this to get to crazy proportions will foster this kind of nonsense. The answer isn’t to just make Millionaires feel bad until they stop this - that’s not going to happen. The answer is legislation that recognizes that tip culture is wrong on so many levels, that most of the world manages to keep it in check and that in the US laws are needed to curb this insanity. In the meantime, people are able to swing culture shifts and it’s up to all of us to start saying enough is enough to tip culture and as much as possible spend our money at places that aren’t capitalizing on charity to pay their employees. Recognize the racism and sexism in this practice and treat it like the dirty thing it is.
Tipping culture is capitalists telling workers it’s their fault for not making enough money. It’s true though, because workers don’t organize nearly enough to change the culture. People should stick up for themselves and their fellow employees and demand a better wage and benefits.
And then have the media (Wall Street Journal and Readers Digest especially) tell everybody that yes, tipping everybody everywhere is the new normal and we need to get used to it.
I’ve gotten into so many arguments on Facebook with people who tip their mechanics and doctors. People are eating this shit up.
It’s getting ridiculous though like even gas stations are starting to ask. Like sorry why should I leave a tip to get a Snickers and bottle of water rung up?
My local vape shop has started asking for tips when you pay now. I’m definitely not tipping for a D8 cart that’s already 20% more expensive than buying it online from the makers.
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