halfempty,
@halfempty@kbin.social avatar

Great article. Well worth reading.

Veez,

Oh great! The TikTok haters escaped from Reddit too!

doctorcrimson,

As bad as any profit first corporation is, or even agenda first profit second corporations, there will never be anything more cringe than helping a hostile foreign dictatorship for vines with music.

Thief_of_Crows,

China isn’t hostile, afaik only the US has been hostile. And claiming that tiktok did that is equivalent to saying random American company is responsible for bombing Iraq

doctorcrimson,

China makes a statement that celebrates whenever something bad happens in the USA. The CCP are very much opposed to the USA. They’re also in constant territory disputes with neighboring nations and have recently consumed neighboring nations. TikTok is not a private or public company. It is a military Operation. It is run by military personnel on a military site.

Thief_of_Crows,

Right, that would make a lot of sense to do about the country that’s openly hostile to you. Oh, China has territory disputes with neighbors? The US will literally fucking bomb you to nothing for your oil, and/or stage a false flag coup to overthrow your government if they won’t sell them oil. We have also used corporate espionage to rewrite the laws of several South American countries into ineffectiveness, for the benefit of a fruit company. The two are not remotely comparable on foreign policy.

doctorcrimson,

Everything wrong with the USA is worse with China, because China is a literal Militaristic Dictatorship. Kill you for Oil? Check. Genocide? Check. Disappeared by the Intelligence Agency? Check. Internment camps? Sweatshops? Stealing people’s land? Taking away their rights and means of defense both physical and legal? China is worse in every imaginable category.

And that makes sense. When society fails to govern itself, then the government treats society like worms. China is an end all threat to all of humanity, itself included.

Thief_of_Crows,

Literally none of that is true. If it is, provide a source. Who has China gone to full scale war with for their oil? Genocide was made up by a far right grifter named Adrian zenz. You’ve fallen hardcore American propaganda bro.

doctorcrimson,

China is actively supplying Middle Eastern Nations the same as the USA, and they also claim complete control over Taiwan. They’re also funding the Russia-Ukraine war by stockpiling massive amounts of oil from Russia. I think that more than qualifies the “kill you for oil” statement.

Thief_of_Crows,

No, it doesn’t. Taiwan seceded from them, they aren’t trying to colonize it. America bombing Iraq and destabilizing SA governments is killing for oil. Buying oil from Russia is not that.

doctorcrimson,

So if they pay somebody else to murder people then it’s okay, in your words?

Thief_of_Crows,

How is buying oil from Russia remotely similar to that? America actually does do that, btw, by supplying the Saudis with the weapons they need to genocide Yemen.

doctorcrimson,

Cope

Thief_of_Crows,

Knowing facts is cope?

doctorcrimson,

Trying to justify murder of thousands with some hard cut cope-amine.

obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

What has China done now?

doctorcrimson,

Is this rhetorical? I don’t think I understand the intent of the question.

Lord_McAlister,

I got 40 flurbos on X being trash.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unity needs to be on this leaderboard.

n3m37h,

Nah unity is the monk who pours gas over itself and sits there quietly burning to death

Gamey,

Reddit sucks but xitter and tiktok easily rub the floor with it!

NewPerspective,

I know lemmy hates Reddit but X is easily taking the cake here. Do you think Elon is respecting ANY of the policies around old user data? If you were EVER on Twitter, Musk is all up in your business.

Empricorn,

I hesitate to speak for everyone… Okay, now I will. As ex-Redditors, we absolutely hate Reddit because we knew it in the past, and we also know it now. So authoritatively, fuck Reddit and fuck Spez.

(I know not everyone here came from/cares about Reddit)

chiliedogg,

I don’t hate Reddit. I love what Reddit can be.

I just can’t support support its current trajectory. If they backpedaled settle of the recent decisions I’d return tomorrow, because after spending 3 months here I’ve found zero communities with enough activity to justify leaving the “everything” feed.

vaalla,

Same for me.

manuallybreathing,

I hate reddit, but I always hated reddit, it was always a cesspool. back in the day before the recent admin drama it was really horribly bigoted, and when lots of people jumpped ship recently, the community got real racist real fast

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Why is tiktok so high up, It feels like regular shitty social media, not nearly as bad or boring as instagram, facebook, and metaverse.

wait yeah why is tiktok above metaverse lol

T1325,

I think as a format memes are very fun on TikTok cause they’re expected to always have a sound component so it engages more senses than just vision, just make a good algorithm

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

memes are fun on tiktok, that is true. Although as with all social media these days, the alg is too good, I hate going down rabbit holes for hours when I could be jogging or playing dnd with my brother.

sooper_dooper_roofer,

gweilos mad, that’s literally it

doctorcrimson,

It’s a Dictatorship’s Military Operation. The app’s software is more data theft than it is actually used to run the app. They take everything stored on your device, from photos to text history. All of it. If I were to rate all apps on the basis of harm, Tiktok is miles above anything else.

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

ever heard of the patriot act, sis?

doctorcrimson,

Replaced in 2015, sis? Turns out Democracy is only way better 90% of the time, but at least it’s capable of self-correction.

American_Communist22, (edited )
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

you’re a fool to believe they just gave up the power to control the country. I bet you think the USA is a democra- oh shit yeah you do think that too. Its a plutocracy babe. You dont live in democracy.

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/5370dc37-4594-4437-b8ff-3161a5571dfa.jpeg

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/0d708fe2-3656-4d92-96ad-6a86790a74d0.webp

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/e221a502-94d9-48cf-b55a-53748ee84c7f.webp

Also are you insinuating China doesn’t have a democracy, not is capable of self correction? You think westerners have some godgiven ability to be the bestest peoples in da world?

doctorcrimson,

LMAO Bro the CCP is literally a one party system with a “president for life.”

Heres a fun thought, you acknowledge that the App does have that data collection software as it has been proven by many independent software reviews, so is it worth it for a person, no matter what other country they come from, to betray their own nation’s people and create security risks in order to view and post vines with music?

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

How does having one party rob the country of having a democracy. Democracies dont have to be your shitty splintered capitalist infighting mess you call governments. Not president for life, he can still be democratically removed from office, he just has no term limits. I think no term limits is more democratic anyway.

Heres a fun thought, you acknowledge that the App does have that data collection software as it has been proven by many independent software reviews, so is it worth it for a person, no matter what other country they come from, to betray their own nation’s people and create security risks in order to view and post vines with music?

So what, anything that would damage the US is good, I don’t care lol. Also the software may be in part owned by china, but the heads of the western tiktok division are made up of US national security “retirees” lol.

doctorcrimson,

Having an actual dictator who can only be removed by his close peers makes China a lot more of an Oligopoly than a Communism, my dude. I think by strict definitions the USA is probably more socialist than the CCP.

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

braindead comment what the fuck

this is going in the dunktank or SRS because this is a statement worthy of ridicule.

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

why do you think the US is more socialist than the People’s Republic of China?

doctorcrimson,

Lmao bro can’t remember a conversation we’ve been having for a week straight.

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Sis, actually. and no, list your reasons, clearly. I want to see how deranged and stupid you can get.

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Brought to you by Kia: Who better than a company who can’t fix a key switch to cover dumpster fires! Kia: Movement That Inspires Car Theft.

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

Didn’t they also use child labour in the US?

MeefusMcBeefus,

I think you might be confusing them with the other major Korean car maker Hyundai but it could have been both!

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

Kia and Hyundai use a lot of the same parts, so if one was doing it, it’s likely both were.

Found this Reuters article, yeah it’s both…

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s because Hyundai is the largest shareholder of Kia and Hyundai supplies parts for Kia and Renault in Korea

HawlSera,

We really need to get people to get the word out on Lemmy.

TheMightyCanuck,

I’m on the fence on this one because on one hand, more content is always a good thing. On the other, more people will bring the attention of corporate capitalists

American_Communist22,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Its a heavy mixup, but either lemmy dies or its going to get better. Federation has seen a dramatic increase in usership, so I’m thinking its getting bigger. Its inevitable that capitalists are going to see us anyway. We just have to tell them to fuck off. I don’t really know what to do besides that lol.

Gabu,

They already have, just take a look at the increased number of concern trolls, blatant advertisement, etc.

CoolBeance,
@CoolBeance@lemmy.world avatar

concern trolls

Thanks for the new term I learned today

Omniraptor,

isn’t threads just facebook trying to muscle in on the fediverse

Franzia,

OP, social media usage is down across the board. These platforms won’t truly die until the next cycle of growth. Autumn? Winter? Usually gaming goes up when the cold weather comes around. Perhaps we will see growth then. We ought to be making sure we make communities for each new game that comes out, if an instance creators goal is to attract a lot of people. If they prefer quality, well, keep on this course. Lemmy is amazing.

ALostInquirer,

Usually gaming goes up when the cold weather comes around. Perhaps we will see growth then. We ought to be making sure we make communities for each new game that comes out, if an instance creators goal is to attract a lot of people.

Speaking of, wouldn’t that be a good time for a general games/gaming instance to spin up then to play host to those communities?

RandomVideos,

I feel like unity is the most likely to die. Their users are way more likely to switch to an alternative than people using reddit

Unity alternatives are also way more known than reddit or twitter alternatives

Uncle_Bagel,

Also, anyone who wanted to leave Twitter, Reddit, or TikTok likely already have

CordanWraith,

But the alternatives aren’t as developed. Godot still isn’t great for 3D projects and Unreal is Epic and also has royalty fees like Unity tried to add.

RandomVideos,

Unreal only has a 5% fee on games that made over 1 million USD

Unity wanted to add a 0.20 USD tax for every download after you made 200K USD 200K users(which changes depending on how many downloads your game has and which plan you are using)

Units pricing method could have been easily exploited, game developers would have to pay for people pirating their games, if a free to play game reached those requirments, it could cost them more than the game made, giveaways would cost game developers money and all unity games would have to collect data

CordanWraith,

No, I’m well aware that Unity’s model is fucked up.

I’m just saying that I don’t consider Unreal a valid alternative, especially as it’s owned by Epic who have shown themselves to be far worse than anything Unity has done already, and there are no other 3D engines as good as Unity. I called out Unreal also just because people are saying that Unity shouldn’t charge any fees as they think fees are unfair, but then happily recommend Unreal.

Not saying necessarily to keep using it, I’m just saying it’s not as simple of a solution as just switching for a lot of devs.

RememberTheApollo_,

What did TikTok do recently? Reddit and TwittX I know about. Could have added Unity to the mix, even if they’re not social media.

euphoric_cat,
@euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

be shit as usual.

Gamey,

Everything fucked up western social media dose but time two and with a grain of chinese propaganda!

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Xitter is now enabling disinformation intentionally. Put ‘em at the top

Gamey,

Well, Tiktok demotes china critical accounts and promotes china friendly ones, people who tried it came to the conclusion that’s it’s roughly by the factor 10 so they aren’t even hiding it!

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