obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely, though to be fair I trust the anonymous random people running the thousands of fediverse instances and communities far less than a legitimate, traceable company that gets third party audited and has to, at least, follow national laws.

I don’t love Reddit’s owners obviously, but yeah. When it comes to privacy, I don’t have any misconceptions about Lemmy being private in the least. Unfortunately :-(

meco03211,

The difference is advertising. Lemmy has no incentive to sell you out. A company like reddit will squeeze every legal penny out of your personal info and then some more illegally if they think they can get away with it.

mishimaenjoyer,
@mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social avatar

just wait 5 years, the fediverse will either be dead or swallowed up by meta. the only two things it has to go for it is the decentralized nature and the absence of open advertisements.

Sharkwellington,

They didn’t figure on Reddit making it 5 years either. ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

explodicle,

I’ve heard that about FOSS projects before they really blew up. Good things do happen sometimes.

tryptaminev,

So at any point a community can defederate from meta and only federate with the likeminded free communities.

That is the strength of the fediverse.

mishimaenjoyer,
@mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social avatar

yeah, maybe, it will just keep staying under the radar and at some point someone will have to spend some cash to keep the lights on.

jaybone,

Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if fb or Reddit started their own Lemmy instances, which they would use to post ads, and have some user-transparent integration with their native platform.

But I bet a lot of instances would de-fed them like you say.

Black_Gulaman,
@Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That is unless the instance owners enters into an advertising deal with a company.

To keep the instance “afloat”

thesmokingman,

The US has zero privacy laws and, as far as I know, Reddit follows zero audit frameworks (eg SOC 2). Additionally, Reddit currently does not follow its legal burden under state laws.

I’m not saying your mistrust of the fediverse is wrong. I am saying your trust of corporations is completely unfounded and very naive. Trusting the US to do anything is equally naive (see Yahoo, Experian, and multiple alphabet agencies).

Jasper_Ted_Vidal_Tale,
@Jasper_Ted_Vidal_Tale@kbin.social avatar

I really hope that reddit will shut down

Got_Bent,

It won’t shut down. I see it more going the way of Yahoo - a once juggernaut that stumbles along a shell of its former self.

unconsciousvoidling,

Not until people stop using it.

noobdoomguy8658,
@noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de avatar

Pretty much this. As much as l love the fediverse, there’s still way too many people on reddit giving it way too much activity, especially in gaming: two of the biggest communities I’ve frequented over the course of this year are still only active on reddit.

Other platforms, like lemmy or discord, either have little to none activity on certain topics like the former, or are poorly designed and lackkng to allow its users to search for stuff properly like the latter.

These days I’m much more diverse with my Internet activity, which is good, but man I wish more people just dumped reddit, especially from the communities I needed to drop it the most.

FigMcLargeHuge,

Hell, there’s too many people on Lemmy giving reddit too much activity. I blocked a couple of bots that were literally just yanking posts from reddit. They even left the links right back to reddit giving them the actual traffic. We can do better people. If I want shitty reddit content I would just go there.

aaaa,

These bot posts are awful for Lemmy engagement.

People see bots posting massive amounts of content, which zero people want discuss in the comments.

There’s a couple of instances that seem to be dedicated entirely to reposting bots. Every new person who joins Lemmy either is put off by all the bot spam without users, or they have to block several dozen bots and communities to make a usable experience.

It’s no wonder it doesn’t grow any faster. I get the idea that we should take a cue from Reddit on this one, and curate a “new-user-friendly” set of default subscriptions for guests and new signups.

Or maybe defederate from nom.mom to get rid of like 75% of this nonsense.

mishimaenjoyer,
@mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social avatar

no, it won't, nor will xitter of facebook. it's delusional to think multi-billion-dollar-platforms backed by big money, the content industry and several clandestine consortiums will cease operation because a single digit percentage of users decided that some hobbyist internet platforms held together by tape and a hail marry are the future. we'll be lucky if places like this are still around in a few years.

sour,
@sour@kbin.social avatar

then it wont contain the toxic users

ZWho63,

reddit.com/…/settings_updateschanges_to_ad_person…

Reddit just decided it was a good idea to REMOVE the option to disable ad personalisation. Good job u/spez. We know what you’re doing.

DmMacniel,
@DmMacniel@feddit.de avatar

Neat, so they are monetising your activities on the plattform. Isn’t that great?

Dirk,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Corporate does corporate things.

beckerist,

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  • drewdarko,

    I’m surprised you’re surprised that others are surprised… because no one is surprised about this.

    Zoidsberg,
    @Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca avatar

    For-profit company exploits userbase for profit. More at 11:00.

    empireOfLove,
    @empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

    They’ve always been doing it, they’re just gonna stop hiding it now.

    Rolando,

    Time for a new influx. Everyone still on reddit needs to advertise lemmy.

    And not join-lemmy.org, that’s confusing. Just pick one of the larger servers like lemm.ee or fedia.io and tell people to browse it and click “Sign Up” if they like it.

    q47tx,
    @q47tx@lemmy.world avatar

    Going to do exactly that soon. Replace all comments and posts.

    Rocketpoweredgorilla,
    @Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’d recommend a smaller community to help spread the load. I originally signed up on .world but they were having some growing pains (And a disgruntled idiot ddosing them) so I moved to .ca which helped tremendously.

    someguy3,

    You need to know the special password for .ca

    Waffles,

    Is it “sorry”?

    Sinnz,

    „Eh“

    tryagain,

    Dot see eh?

    Rocketpoweredgorilla,
    @Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’m Canadian anyway, so I have it memorized.

    Woodie,

    Hello Canadian, I’m maple syrup!

    Rocketpoweredgorilla,
    @Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

    We may be related, I’m 40% maple.

    Woodie,

    I see! I’m actually 33% polar bear and 66% maple, we may be not so distant cousins!

    Stoneykins,

    I really disagree. For learning lemmy for average people, big instance is best.

    There is a point where people who stick around are likely to make a new “real” account on a different smaller server, after they know what they want to browse.

    Basically big instances should be like training wheels.

    tryagain,

    Yeah tbh this is how I did it and I consider myself tEcH sAvVy - still started with .world because I didn’t know where else to go.

    NorthWestWind,
    @NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

    I went to iusearchlinux.fyi and came back to .world about a week ago. It seems to be doing very well now.

    millionsofplayers,

    maybe start posting links from lemmy like what happened with digg (i think? wasn’t there for it)

    verysoft,

    Why are these people still there, do they just stick around on reddit to complain about it?

    jballs,

    I think the average person is not willing to take 5 minutes to figure out how Kbin or Lemmy works.

    verysoft,

    Kbin, at least, for the end user is just as simple as reddit.

    jballs,

    Before I left Reddit, I searched for alternatives and saw that people recommended Lemmy or Kbin. But I didn’t know what those things were. I assumed they were just Reddit clones hosted by someone else. I didn’t know that I could create an account on Kbin and interact with other posts in the Fediverse. I didn’t even know what the Fediverse was. So I was stuck with this decision of “do I try Lemmy or Kbin first?”

    When I decided to try Lemmy, the first thing you need to do is sign up on an instance. People recommended beehaw.org, but that required filling out an application to join. That seems weird, since I never had to apply to read Reddit. I decided to try another instance (sh.itjust.works) but was worried that I was missing out on what people had recommended about other instances. Maybe I chose the wrong one? Maybe I should make an account on Lemmy.world instead?

    It took me a little while to grasp the concept of federation and realize that it made no difference as an end user which instance I chose. I stuck with it, as did everyone reading this, but I think it’s fair to say that the average person has similar barriers to entry. We’ve overcome them, but many, many people will not.

    verysoft,

    True, the concept of the fediverse is probably what confuses people, it's never explained clearly. I hope it's growth helps spread information about it, how it works and why you want it.

    aceshigh,
    @aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

    you joined early on, you had to work at understanding the fediverse. now there are plenty of places that explain everything.

    cheery_coffee,

    The app situation is getting much much better. The website UI is inferior to old reddit or the apps. I know some servers support the old reddit UI but it’s not discoverable. Stuff like expanding images needs to be easier to do instead of clicking a semi-hidden 10px square each picture.

    Sync and Boost are great, though I’m still not happy with the iOS apps (I like Avalon and Mlem, but I don’t live either of them, whereas the Android apps feel fantastic).

    tryagain,

    Boost is lovely and polished and you can see that tons of work has gone into it.

    Tell you what though: while I was waiting for Boost, damned if the Voyager (fka wefwef) PWA came out of nowhere with (I think) some of the nicest UX of any of the contenders, plus an insane release schedule because they can just push changes whenever. Voyager is honestly what has kept me here. (…he says, posting from Boost)

    Kusimulkku,

    Because other people are there

    treadful,
    @treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

    Network effects are real

    andrew_bidlaw,

    Hating Reddit is the usual Reddit routine, the one you may be rewarded for with Reddit’s updoots.

    jaybone,

    They should come to Lemmy to complain about Reddit, like the rest of us.

    banneryear1868,

    Yup ads and posts on reddit are becoming even more indistinguishable, the “organic community” is just a selling point for marketing because you can embed yourself in it, basically just exploiting their users. The metrics to gauge ad performance is based on things that make the site shitty as well. Reddit, at least the big subs, haven’t been organic in this way for a long time, it’s basically a simulation of an organic online community at this point.

    seitanic,
    @seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Oh, okay. I had no idea. I was like “How far do I have to scroll to find out what reddit did this time?”

    Wouldn’t affect me anyway, because I use an ad blocker.

    ThemboMcBembo,
    @ThemboMcBembo@beehaw.org avatar

    It still means they’re selling your info to advertisers

    AOCapitulator,
    @AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

    I think this is the removal of the opt out of selling my data to advertisers?

    aceshigh,
    @aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

    reddit has ads?

    purplemonkeymad,

    Yea, ublock always blocks them on old Reddit. So this technically won’t affect me.

    woodenskewer,
    @woodenskewer@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m sure old.reddit is on its way out in the near future.

    jaybone,

    Reddit is ads.

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