Okashiikessen,

I call BS. I feel it’s more popular than ever to dunk on the US. Like, there’s still a sect of 'MURICAN PATURYOTS that get big mad, but most of us are well aware of reality.

Uniquitous,

Meh. Little dogs gotta bark.

nao,

On the internet, maybe?

So far my impression has been that this is less of a problem on Lemmy compared to other places

butsbutts,

nuclear launch detected

FrostKing,

I think it’s definitely true that Americans get defensive when you criticize the US. I also think it’s true that a huge reason for that, is because the only thing the internet seems to enjoy doing at the moment is complain about the US—no one likes to hear their country that they’re living happily in trashed on constantly.

And I say that as someone who deeply enjoys complaining about the US

TheActualDevil,

So I work with a lot of people from a variety of countries. Some of those countries have really bad governments. When we joke about each other’s countries, it’s about the governments. I remember this guy who used to work with me from the Philippines. It was near the beginning of lockdowns and just after Duterte was elected. He made fun of the shit Trump was saying and doing, and I got to joke that they had their own Trump(maybe worse) coming. Australian co-workers laugh along when we joke about their shit politicians.

What we don’t do is joke about the people or the culture. That’s shitty. All those people are just as much victims of their own circumstances as we all are of our own. But we’re adults who work with each other every day and it’s easy to remember that we’re all real people. The internet however…

I haven’t noticed Americans getting upset when people criticize shitty government policies or decisions. At least not from people who aren’t boot-lickers from jump. The problem is when people make fun of American stereotypes. Americans are fat and loud and whatever. Like, if all you heard was people talking about Canadians being stuck up about needing things written in French or topped with poutine, it would probably get old, right? “Go cry at your Tim Horton’s and take your polar bear for a walk.” (okay, so I had to google Canadian stereotypes and it’s a short list.)

I don’t like America’s gun culture either. And I hate when it comes up there’s always someone who comes in and preaches the gospel of the 2nd amendment. It also doesn’t feel great when people make that generalization about me. This thread is full of people saying Americans are dumb and racist. That’s just shitty behavior that no one bats an eye at because it’s normal to make those jokes. If I started making comments about like, French people smelling bad or (insert some other offensive thing. I don’t keep track of bad stereotypes and I’m done googling it) then that would also be bad and it’s a thing I think we should start calling out across the board.

slackassassin,

You’ve absolutely nailed it. The problem is when people use the faults of a country to generalize or reinforce predijuce about individuals, and it is interesting how quickly some people just accept it.

I also work within an international collaboration, and the xenophobia on the internet is so shameful. There’s no way any of it would fly in real life. You have to develop respect for people as individuals to work closely/effectively.

HiddenLayer5,
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

Americans (and Canadians, we’re not above this problem): “I hate our government! They lie about everything and have no regard for human rights or even basic integrety! But also I uncritically believe everything they say about other countries that they already hate and have a massive political and economic incentive to smear because their governments are obviously way worse, I know that because my government told me so.”

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

So basically a hexbear, got it.

Lemmywhat,

More like China…

Lucidlethargy,

Lol, what? You can make fun of us. We’re pretty fucking funny… But like, in a sad, defeated kind of way… Like, we’re sleeping in the gutter and pretending we’re fine, but at least we are looking at all those stars.

We don’t need to move. This is fine. We’re fine. Fuck off, we’re fine. You can’t help us, anyway.

phorq,

Yeah, we’re damn fine!

MJBrune,

A good analogy to this is the emperor of America. He was just some homeless crazy dude in San Francisco in the 1860s. He attempted to price gouge the Chinese during their rice famine but shortly found himself under water on his rice contracts. This left him homeless and bitter so he named himself emperor of the United States. He somehow started printing his own money and some places feeling bad for him took it.

That’s how the world sees America. Oh, the crazy folk are just down on their luck. They’ll likely either die or end the world in a few years but at least they’re making record profits.

ArcaneSlime,

All hail Emporer Norton!

stewie3128,

As long as you have no oil, there’s no reason to fear us.

ClockNimble,

Or democratically elect a left-leaning government, or give away land to your own poor citizens to develop instead of to a company.

iesou,

Yeah especially if you happen to be south of us in the Americas. America works very hard to make sure the current status quo is maintained. That status quo originally won by govt agencies on behalf of the political elite’s rich friends.

zbyte64, (edited )

Cynbersyn could have changed the world. Rest in power Allende.

stewie3128,

Yeah the CIA doesn’t like any of that too much.

Immersive_Matthew,

This is just more us versus them. Distraction

Spliffman1,
@Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

Where does America hide all their smart people?

Custoslibera,

In the same place they keep their universal healthcare.

Noodle07,

In Canada?

MJBrune,

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  • droans,

    That’s not true in the slightest.

    The highest estimate for US emigrants is 9 million. Since there’s no perfect way to track emigrants, the Dept of State uses available numbers from multiple sources and extrapolates it. The UN puts their estimate at about 3 million, but their data comes from censuses which can be inaccurate or non-existent.

    Pew puts the number of college or postgraduate educated immigrants at about 13 million.

    Even if we assume all of the emigrants are highly educated, we still have a net positive educated immigration.

    There are a lot of good reasons to dislike the US, but we have always been pretty good about bringing in educated individuals.

    Kirkkh,

    For the richest country on Earth we’re a touch sensitive.

    pressanykeynow,

    Btw USA is the 12th richest country on Earth according to World Bank GDP per capita statistics

    CurlyWurlies4All,
    @CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

    National boundaries just divide workers to obscure the fact that they have more in common with each other than with the ruling classes.

    Custoslibera,

    No disagreement from me comrade.

    Alpharius,
    @Alpharius@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The real struggle from the start

    Franzia,

    Your meme adds nothing to the discussion and is just blanket inflammatory.

    ThatWeirdGuy1001,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    It usually doesn’t bother me unless it’s something like this

    American- criticizes something foreign

    Every single reply to that comment- “School shootings!! Hahaha!! Dead kids!!! Hehehehe!!”

    Bloodwoodsrisen,
    @Bloodwoodsrisen@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    We have other things you can criticize! Like the fact people will give you unsweetened tea with ice then say you can have some sugar packets!

    PlantDadManGuy,

    Scourge of the North! Sugar Tea Soup!

    MrSqueezles,

    This recently

    • French people rude. Haha yeah.
    • Greek people cheap. Okay you got us.
    • Americans so fucking stupid. Hah wait. That’s it? That’s the joke?

    This I don’t understand. Where is this coming from and who honestly would be okay with being called a big dumb dildo and laugh along like it’s such a well known fact about their country? We’re a lot of things, act like we own the world and everyone owes us money and gratitude, eat like shit while letting everyone know how to be healthy, use little creamer cups instead of cream. We’re not idiots.

    MJBrune,

    We are pretty dumb though. On the whole. We’ve had a lot of our higher education people emigrate.

    BearNoodles,

    Kinda like how the entirety of France isn’t rude and not all Greek people are cheap

    slackassassin,

    Exactly, the problem is the first panel, not the second. But there’s no monopoly on participation there.

    bitsplease,

    Or when they extropolate from America the country being shit, to every individual American being shit for having the audacity to have been born here.

    Most of us would also rather it wasn’t like this, but our families, friends, and livelihoods are here, so generally speaking it’s not practical to just up and leave. And our political system is to broken for us to really fix via voting

    Trash on the country all you want, I’ll join in with you - but don’t blame the folks who are just trying to live the best we can in this fucked up country

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