WorldWideLem,

I believe the legal repercussions are part of that “can ruin your life”, not just the addiction and/or health concerns.

Though that still makes it an entirely artificial consequence that does not need to and should not exist.

Piers,

Regan’s administration started the war on drugs. Convicting drugs users of a criminal crime has the effect of taking the right to vote away from people who tended not to vote for the Republican party and allowed them to be legally used as slave labour. At least one member of that administration has explicitly stated that this was a strategic decision to win elections.

dolle,

I think it was John Erlichman who served under Nixon who said that. Whether that’s true is actually disputed though: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century

I agree that both Nixon’s and Reagan’s policies on drugs were pretty harmful though.

SwingingTheLamp,

*Reagan. Donald Regan was Ronald Reagan’s chief of staff for a couple of years.

Schadrach,

It didn’t say what mechanism would be used for the drugs to ruin your life. Prison works just as well as turning tricks for smack as far as life ruining goes.

Russian_Bot_6969,

Conspiracy to enslave the poor.

lugal,

But the rich also take drugs.

Except they don’t get caught.

Russian_Bot_6969,

Everyone breaks the law, and it is selectively enforced against the poor. System working as intended. System working as intended.

usernamesaredifficul,

when the rich get caught for drug use they go to rehab

very_poggers_gay,

Hey what are you some kind of Russian bo-

smuglord

Checks Constitution

NOOOOO

(Yes this is cringe but I want it that way)

ShimmeringKoi,

Logic is prison slave labor=$$$

jabjoe,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

The logic is deterrence.

I mean it’s stupid, but that’s what the supporters think.

The thing they are missing is that no one commits a crime thinking they will get caught. So ever increasing the deterrence doesn’t help.

Drugs is a public health issue, no really criminal. Prohibition doesn’t work with things done at scales like drugs and alcohol. You’re just feeding the criminal gangs.

NuraShiny,

It’s not deterrence, that’s not the point. Deterrence does not work.

It’s about sending people to prison so they can do cheap labor. It’s also about racism because it’s disproportionately targeted towards minorities. It absolutely makes sense in that light.

jabjoe,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

I’m sure that is the motivation of some, those involved, but the vast majority of support will be voters who think deterrence works.

NuraShiny,

It’s the prison-industrial complex paying the politicians to push this stuff through. Voters don’t matter to the politics being pushed, they just get told later that they wanted them.

epyon22,

Policy at a macro scale is very different than policy at a citizen level. While both inform the other many decisions are made on either side without understanding consequences. Banning drug use at a home or even a town level could make sense and work in the head of household’s favor but that one town or house banning the use could make things worse for another, but from the smaller level makes a ton of sense, unfortunately.

jabjoe,
@jabjoe@feddit.uk avatar

Maybe. But not all police forces and legal systems are like this. In the developed world, the US is a bit of an outlier.

Wogi,

The logic is subjugation. These laws are applied largely to a specific group of people, and even if they don’t spend life in prison, their ability to build a life for themselves afterwards is neutered, and they lost the right to vote.

Tehzbeef,

The logic is it also ruins other peoples lives. No one exists in society in a nut shell or as an island. If your choice to use drugs would expose, entice, or otherwise encourage a person to use drugs then it is reasonable in my opinion for the state to protect people from it.

That being said clearly our approach isn’t working. There shouldn’t be laissez-faire drug use all over but there shouldn’t be life in prison immediately consequences either.

The most succesful drug rehabilitation programs are mandatory rehab facilities that are a choice alternate to going to jail for an equal amount of time.

Also housing first models are incredibly effective. But… the entire western world uses housing as an investment vehicle and commodity so it is diametrically opposed to housing first initiatives. If the average citizen is paying 50% of their income for housing and then “junkies” get given free housing the political party that implemented it would be booted so fast.

FartsWithAnAccent,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Makes more sense when you consider that the “justice” system profits greatly from the war on drugs.

n3m37h,

Gotta love private jails

FordBeeblebrox,

13th amendment (which means we can guillotine it right away) for the plantation win boys!

timdave,

Just a reminder that cops exist simply to uphold the status quo! Our first police squads were created to hunt down escaped slaves! Fuck - and I really mean this - the police.

FordBeeblebrox,

Also, ACAB. Yes even your friendly neighborhood school pig. ALL COPS

Kra,

Yeah just generalize and dehumanify the people that pay attention that people don’t break the law, steal, murder and destroy stuff.

You know they are human too? Also would you generalize other large groups of people like this? Without police there would be anarchy and the most violent criminal gangs would make the rules.

You sound like a very annoying person that I would not want to be around.

HawlSera,

It’s the same logic as when Republicans claim Government doesn’t work…

It’s not ignorance or stupidity, it’s a mission statement… Republicans are trying to make Government not work and Cops are actively trying to fuck you over

TehPers,

Government is bad and we should have less of it in our faces. To achieve this goal, let’s make the consumption of certain popular drugs illegal, and while we’re at it make laws restricting what women, trans, gay, etc people can do. This should reduce the government’s involvement in our day-to-day lives.

I just don’t understand it. Less government = good (according to practically every republican I’ve met), so lets vote for more laws which restrict people and give the government more power.

Elon_Musk,
@Elon_Musk@hexbear.net avatar

Well someone somewhere still believes that prison is about rehabilation and not punishment

HawlSera,

A society with no concept of redeemeption will never get far

usernamesaredifficul,

also drug addiction is arguably something that the word treatment would be more applicable for

Roundcat,
@Roundcat@lemmy.ca avatar

“They’ll ruin your life cause I’ll ruin your life!”

iHUNTcriminals,

I’m all for caging money making dealers that kill when they are threatened with prison. I’ve seen too many people get killed because some cunt that already has enough money is scared to get caught.

HorseWithNoName,

If only those were the people that US cops actually arrested.

iHUNTcriminals, (edited )

I know. It’s so sad. Know gang members I figure out they call the cops on their enemies alto get their enemies pissed at the police until the shoot out and usually their victim dies and the cops like gets fucked up.

They use the cops to get away with murder… just like rich people and companies do.

Trap jaw affiliates and the AX graffiti crew do it in New Hampshire/Boston/RI/CT/NYC/Epping/Manchester

They got two people I know killed and even the cops don’t want to hear it.

That’s why I have this username.

I’m starting to think a lot of the 2020 black deaths were staged to help Trump, who is probably controlled/in the mob. (Roger stone/oath keepers/bloods)

Giuliani “got rid of crime” in NYC… i think he was either a part of masking the organized crime or he got owned for fighting it and now they control him.

SpezBroughtMeHere,

What’s the threshold of income that would meet your criteria? Do you normally base jail time off of someone’s income, legally or illegally?

iHUNTcriminals,

Enough to rent and live in a studio apartment. (If they are single)

Im mainly talking about anyone willing to murder innocent people to scare off people that figured out their drug/burglary/pimp game.

I think drugs and prostitution should be legalized.

I’ve known too many criminals that are complete tyrants and fascists. They are heartless and will take from anyone. They are just as worthless as materialistic rich people.

BilboBargains,

It’s perfectly circular, like this man’s dome.

Don’t forget that drug laws are often racist e.g. cocaine possession carries a lesser punishment than crack, cannabis is a schedule 1 substance, etc. This goes some way to explaining the legal rationale.

olafurp,

The rest can be found on the Nixon tapes. :)

sanpedropeddler,

How is this racist? I don’t doubt that you’re right but I’m not understanding what makes that racist. Are black people significantly more likely to have crack than cocaine or something? At first glance it seems logical to me that cocaine has less of a punishment than crack, but that’s based off of a somewhat limited understanding of the effects of the two drugs.

mdurell,

Crack and cocaine are the same drug! From americanaddictioncenters.org/…/differences-with-c…: “Pharmacologically, cocaine and crack are the same substance.”

TopRamenBinLaden, (edited )

They are the same pharmacologically, but the effects between snorting and smoking vary greatly.

Regular cocaine powder is cocaine hydrochloride. Crack is made by mixing cocaine hydrochloride with ammonia and then burning off the hydrochloride which makes it a freebase. People don’t smoke regular cocaine until it has been turned into freebase. Smoking cocaine powder is just wasteful compared to snorting it.

Smoking crack results in a more rapid absorption into the bloodstream—compared to snorting the powder. Therefore, the effects are more rapid and quicker to dissipate than if someone just snorted cocaine.

Crack is cheaper than powder cocaine, because crack has less cocaine per dose, and is still very potent. So poorer areas get flooded with crack, as no one can afford to be addicted to cocaine powder in the lower class.

So, in conclusion, it is absolutely discriminatory to have harsher punishment for crack than cocaine. Even if crack is more potent, it has less illegal substance in it by weight than cocaine powder does.

30mag,

It is right in the name.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_cocaine

tuwwut,

The racist associations between crack and black people are rumored to actually be an intentional thing. The US government says the allegations have no merit, but the CIA has been accused of funneling large amounts of crack cocaine into the black neighborhoods of LA. Here’s one article about it on a .gov but you can find many other sources on google: THE CIA-CONTRA-CRACK COCAINE CONTROVERSYRelevant quote from the original source accusing them:

For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a Mercury News investigation has found.

This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia’s cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the “crack” capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America . . . and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy automatic weapons.

electrorocket,

Air America is a decent movie about another CIA drug ring.

JamesConeZone,
@JamesConeZone@hexbear.net avatar

I am once again asking everyone to read Alex Vitale’s End of Policing

Etterra,

That’s because it’s not logic - it’s propaganda. The war on drugs was always built on a solid bedrock of oppressing minorities, black people in particular.

Daft_ish,

What? White people like smoking weed? Well its probably ok then. What? White people enjoy opioids? Oh no, it’s a crisis we better get people the help they need. Don’t worry big pharma drug dealers, you can keep your fortune, just say sorry.

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