It’s both an iron will and a life goal that isn’t really susceptible to corruption. The ring takes the thing you want most and connects itself to that in your mind, twisting your goals to accomplish what it wants.
I’m not really certain what value being temporarily invisible has when all you want to do is garden. Hell, I don’t even think a giant army or conquering the whole world would help either. Just means a more overwhelming garden, which defeats the point.
I mean that’s the reason Hobbits in general can withstand the Ring longer than any other race of Middle Earth. They just want a quiet life without any fuss and that’s pretty much the opposite of what the Ring can promise them.
Ring: I can make you rich!
Hobbit: Eh, than my cousins will pester me all day.
He really was, though. Both Frodo and Bilbo carried the weight better than any other had before them, but they were still negatively impacted by it. But not Sam. Truly a goldenhearted being.
I dunno… he didn’t have it for very long in the films, then hesitated when Frodo asked for it back. He resisted the ring, but it still affected him a little bit.
I forget the exact wording, but the Ring essentially showed Sam visions of being some sort of a supreme gardener king. Sam dismissed that as fucking stupid, because he just wants a simple garden.
Here’s my answer from the last time this came up (which might as well have been yesterday from how often people unfairly lionize Sam and shit on Frodo):
“As he stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, and vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor…”
"Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur… He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be. "
“In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command.”
Sam was tempted, and if he possessed the ring long enough he would have been overcome like any other, but his Hobbit-sense saved him in that one small moment, when he had held the ring but a short while.
We can read the same words and take something different from them. That reads to me like he was able to pretty easily dismiss the temptation. Maybe he would’ve been tempted like Boromir was, maybe he would’ve had the resolve of Frodo, maybe he could’ve held it for much longer like Bilbo.
His Hobbit-sense saved him there. The only one who can tell us with certainly where it lies in relation to Frodo is no longer able to.
It would eventually corrupt anyone… except Tom Bombadil.
Which is equally funny, because he’d have no reason to keep it from Sauron, except kneejerk comedic denial when someone tries to wrong him. The forces of Mordor could rain death upon his woods, and he’d somehow catch hellfire in his chimney and make an especially strong pot of tea. Sauron himself, re-embodied, could swing that ox-sized mace at his door, and howl impotently as each strike bounces off and becomes a knock-knock joke. And then one day, some orc siege captain (who’d slowly gone from digging trenches to tending the carrot patch) would remark on what a fine piece of jewelry Tom wore, and he’d just hand it over and skip away.
Oh stop you bombadil simps are even worse then the eagle people. Bombadil would have fallen to Sauron full stop. The elves say so, gandalf says so, Tolkien says so. Tom can’t even destroy the ring. He’s not Superman, he’s just a plot Device created by Tolkien and in my unpopular opinion should have been cut like in the peter Jackson trilogy. Sure his singing is nice in the audiobook, but he’s the 1940’s equivalent of “omg so rAnDoM” scene girl self insert, who is “like OMG the strongest because he just is okay. Isn’t he so wacky and random?”.
They say he couldn’t keep it safe. And he couldn’t - because he does not care. He is the personification of Middle Earth itself, and the ring has no effect on him because the plot has no effect on him. Whatever you think of his inclusion, being a cartoon character set firmly askew in a fairly grounded universe, he is a reminder that Sauron threatens the people of this world… not the world. In his wildest egomaniacal fantasies, Sauron still lacks the power to impact the stage for all this drama. His boss, the devil, can’t even do that.
The executive summary of Tolkien’s whole cosmology is that Melkor declared he would ruin the song that is reality, and the omnipotent creator of all things told him, “You can try.”
‘But in any case,’ said Glorfindel, ‘to send the Ring to him would only postpone the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed, unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.’
‘I know little of Iarwain save the name,’ said Galdor; ‘but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills. What power still remains lies with us, here in Imladris, or with Cirdan at the Havens, or in Lórien. But have they the strength, have we here the strength to withstand the Enemy, the coming of Sauron at the last, when all else is overthrown?’
It says right there hiding the ring with him, even if he didn’t lose it on accident would still be a failure. Sauron would steamroll middle earth and he would have gone out last as he had also been the first, and the ring would have returned to Sauron in total victory.
Yeah that totally contradicts where I said he could keep it safe, oh wait.
The text is outright telling you, eventually Sauron would get it. Not by “steamrolling” anything. Tortuously, through the use of all his power, with several hint-hint comparisons to the world itself having no strong opinion. Not because Tom Bombadil is any less capable than some half-pint farmers and a few aristocrats. He’s filled to his feather-topped brim with bullshit magic. But the power to defy the enemy is not within him. Frodo shows him the ring and he barely gives a shit.
You’re arguing like I think he’s the bestest OC ever, donut steel. Nah. He’s Roger Rabbit. Eddie gets handcuffed to Roger, they barely survive some shenanigans, and when he finally gets a hacksaw to separate them Roger slides his hand out so he can lean in and watch. Eddie understandably throttles him, demanding - “You mean you could’ve done that, at any time?!” Roger tells him: “No! Only when it was funny.”
Did you forget the rest of the book? Helms deep, busted. White city, broken and barely holding on. The last alliance of elves and men could do nothing but be a distraction to Sauron. The elves have left, the ents are toast, who else is there to help? The shire gets steamrolled but no heroes to come back after to save it, they never went on the journey. Who exactly isn’t getting completely rolled here?
That’s not a very long eventually, it’s about the same as the duration of the books.
Literally they say in the books that the ring has no effect on Tom, it’s not simping its just cannon. He would have forgotten about it and lost it because it has no hold on him and can not influence his will. It literally could not corrupt him. Every one is influenced by it to some degree just being around it, the awe and fear of the power it hold. Tom can not even think of the ring like that it’s just a little trinket to him. He isn’t some super strong being or anything, he just doesn’t have the ability to want things like that.
Also arguably the ring was having a big effect on him the entire time. The entire journey sam hates Smegal, which he sees as what Frodo is becoming carrying the ring. Smegal was a walking personification of the fear sam had for Frodo. That fear was turned into hate by the ring slowly corrupting Sam’s love for his master into a weakness for the ring to leverage. He absolutely was not immune to its power.
The animated films had a segment of when Sam had the ring and was going to rescue Frodo, and it tempted him that he could use its power to set the world right. I kind of wish Peter Jackson would've done something similar.
The most I’ve managed is 4 times in one year due to husband declaring it’s “too much”. So we settled back into a routine of twice (one in summer, one at Christmas).
Moral of the story, getting married isn’t worth it.
There are some sadly misguided individuals who think LotR movies are actually good. This post will dispel that unfortunate delusion.
That tone of arrogant superiority is why. This is clearly rage baiting, it would have made it to the second sentence without insulting its potential audience if it wasn’t.
Maybe the author is just really upset and feels the need to be mean about it. I don’t see the need to be mean back, condescension in an article never hurt anyone.
The trick is this to have genuinely held opinions without publishing poorly written articles about it. I do that all the time, and I can warmly recommend others to try it, too!
Calling people who disagree with you misguided when it comes to purely matter of tastes is not just talking about one’s opinion, but is in fact insulting other people for no reason. So fuck the author of this particular article.
Well, I think it’s funny. I appreciate an author who has style and passion, it keeps me invested. It’s not like anyone’s opinion of the lord of the rings matters, so I couldn’t possibly be offended no matter what I thought of the movies.
You do get the difference between talking and publishing though, right? And the fact that not all opinions are worth sharing? The “whole world” was a figure of speech.
Some of these websites are so simple that publishing an article takes as much effort as posting a Lemmy comment. There used to be a difference, but there isn’t anymore.
Calling out bigots and assholes isn’t “feeding.” That’s the problem. Telling people to ignore outright bastards just leads the bastards to escalate. You should absolutely identify their bullshit and bluntly tell them where to shove it - and more importantly, forums need to allow calling out bullshit.
Any moderator demanding “respect” and “civility” is creating an environment where cautious monsters have free reign, unless they also proactively fight politely-phrased abuse. If someone has good reason to say “fuck off,” and you remove the response but not the cause, you are a force multiplier for that abuse.
But this schmuck? Yeah, ignore that. It is of low quality.
There is a fun podcast called Drunk History of Middle Earth that is essentially this dynamic the whole time - a husband/wife duo where the guy is trying to teach her about Tolkien. She’s genuinely open to it, so it’s probably less annoying than some other instances of that pattern. Aside from the hearing new perspectives on the lore, it’s interesting to vicariously experience the stories for the first time again.
Also I love their accents, and how they sometimes expose their personal lives to the world and talk through stuff as a couple - it’s very endearing
But it’d like 9 hours isn’t it? It’s sooo difficult to sit through the movies in the first place. It’s not even that I don’t like them, they’re just so damn long.
It’s 12,5 hours total. But the thing is, the extended edition is more like the original and the other has been unduly chopped down for theatrical limitations. It’s missing essential scenes basically.
I had a friend like that with every comedy movie he liked. He’d just stare at you with a goofy grin prior to every part he thought was funny. He’d look over, grinning, just waiting to see your reaction. He’s a great guy, it just made it real uncomfortable to watch a movie with him.
Also had a friend like this and it made it quite annoying to watch anything with him. He later got a diagnosed on the autism spectrum so that probably explains the tendency to do this
That, or Boromir would FUCK THAT MOUSE UP and take the ring for himself
The ring can obviously influence people around the ringbearer and not just the ringbearer themselves, as seen by Boromir and Faramir being tempted by it and Smeagle killing his friend for it.
Hobbits are just very good natured and resistant to the evil influence of the ring, especially Sam it seems
Now I’m picturing Boromir cornering the mouse, drawing his sword, and stating “thou hast squeaked thy last squeak” as the mouse runs back and forth in the corner, trying to escape.
Always seemed weird to me how people get into hiking (or cycling or whatever) to push themselves and exercise, and then spend thousands on gear to make it as easy as possible.
I agree. The only thing I wouldn’t be cheap about in hiking is footwear and safety equipment. Only a casual hiker though so I don’t need much to take a 3 mile trail.
If turning your exercise into a hobby makes it more fun, I don’t see the harm. At the end of the day that just makes it entertainment that’s good for you
I spend a fair bit for multi-day stuff, but most of that is bedding, shelter, and first aid/emergency devices—shit that matters. Much else is dependent on bushcraft and resources around me so I don’t have to carry gear like some numpty with no clue. Flint, a good knife, and a container get you really far if you know how to use nature around you and are the kind of person that doesn’t have to have a fork to eat food.
Eh… Because the point isn’t to workout like you would lifting iron in a gym? People who do rucking do it so it’s hard, people who do hiking do it to reach stuff they want to see.
I’m used to the army, when I’m packing for field stuff, I know that no matter how much I pack for luxury my kit and equipment will still be 80% of the load minimum. Would I rather hump 80 lbs 20 miles and have a miserable night, or hump 85 lbs and have hot coffee and a single person tent I can jerk off comfortably in? Easy choice for me.
When I go hiking with my family I pretty much just carry emergency supplies and the liquor stash, knowing we’ll be back to the tents by nightfall.
Long and short, you remove weapons armor and ammo from the picture and it’s a lot more impactful to play with the weight. Shaving 5 lbs off a 20 lbs load can let you go 5 more miles when it’s for leisure.
We often do a mixture of both. I train all summer on a grueling unmaintained trail carrying jugs of water, just so that I can go on amazing backpacking trips without them being hard. When I’m at peak fitness, a hard rated trail is easy, and that’s the way I like it.
I used to walk over mountains with bottom barrel gear, canned food, and old Army boots. My entire setup probably weighed 80 pounds. But I’m a middle aged man now, with a lifetime of injuries, and a desk job. I’m definitely going for all the UL gear I can get my hands on. My big 3 are only 6 pounds now. My full pack weight without food and water is under 10 pounds, and I love it.
Pick up a light dumbbell and see how long you can hold it. Take a rest and pick a heavier dumbbell and see if you can hold it for as long as you could with the lighter dumbbell.
You can also try and see how far you can walk while holding either the lighter or the heavier dumbbell.
More than the actual message, I have a different issue with this comment.
It’s how it’s one of the most incredibly Uncool things to do to make fun of someone caring too much for their hobbies when you’re an outsider. The moment it implied that this user is not an hiker, it instantly corrupted everything about it. That edit carries malice.
There’s a word for it, and I refuse to do anything but downvote those people on sight.
I personally have a pet peeve with commenters who edit their posts to complain about having "offended" others when all of the replies are reasonable and calm. It always makes it seem like the commenter was actively trying to upset others, and when they noticed no one was actually upset and people only gave reasonable replies, they pretend everyone was upset anyway so they don't actually have to engage in a conversation.
I hike, and I’ve notice the “ultralight” crowd has more than it’s fair share of gatekeepers and snobs.
Lighter gear is fantastic, but people take it well past the point of diminishing returns. There are a lot of vocal hikers that spend absurd amounts of money on less practical, ridiculously expensive “ultralight” gear and think anything else is “wrong”.
Hiking for me isn’t for exercise. When I’m exercising, I put 20# pound plates in a rucksack and walk the neighborhood. When I’m hiking (like the 1000 miles I did last year) I’m out there to enjoy nature and have an adventure, not be miserable every night with cramping feet.
Not only that, but there’s plenty of evidence that extra weight brings a greater chance of injury when hiking every day. Being able to do 1000 miles over 3 months means you have be able to perform consistently and without injuries building up.
I think it’s simply that these activities are more enjoyable with less weight. Hewhen hiking it matters a lot, carrying heavy load on your back sucks. In cycling people definitely obsess a bit too much because most people aren’t competing, but climbing is definitely easier on a lightweight bike. And people are apparently willing to spend a lot of money on this stuff, so companies gladly make carbon everything to save 5% weight at 500% the price.
It’s absolutely hilarious that you think you offended hikers while it was nothing more than you missing that everyone in the world uses available tools to make their lives easier.
What’s a hobby of yours? I bet you’re using modern tech on it instead of just banging a rock on it.
That’s nothing, come to the ADV motorcycle world, where a 135 kilogram man will spend $150 for a set of brake and clutch levers for his 270 kg 1250GSA because they’re 30 grams lighter.
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