I tried to search about it but the ubuntu wiki directs me to ubuntu-libre, and there directs me to gobuntu, and then it says gobuntu has been merged back to ubuntu?
Did I misinterpret something or is it what it seems?
Experience tells me otherwise, but given that the people I've met that use linux distros is nowhere near enough of a good sample size, I hope I'm wrong.
A friend of mine was an arch user and was constantly throwing shit at me for using zorin os, but at the same time was always complaining about something not working like he wants it to and spending too much time tinkering. He recently switched to Fedora.
I’ve been a tech for 25 years, a steeped nerd even longer. I’ve met many many linux users. Three of them weren’t obnoxious distro adherents. (Four if you count myself)
A vegan, a Linux user, and a ‘pol sci major’ walk into a bar. They are the same person. Oh dear, they won’t shut up. There is no god here now. I think my ears have started to bleed. Run…
Tbh, I don’t really get the hate that Ubuntu gets.
I mean, I do understand that people don’t like some of the decisions made with Ubuntu (e.g. snap), but especially for people who don’t use an OS for the sake of using that OS and just want to use their PC to get stuff done, Ubuntu/Kubuntu are quite good.
You have a mostly consistent UI that can do most important configs without touching CLI. Manuals and simple guides are easy to find, even in other languages than English (which is important for quite a big number of people outside the US).
And contrary to some other, smaller distros, Ubuntu isn’t run by just 1-2 people and you can trust in it still existing in 10 years. (Obviously, this is true for many other distros, but some quite widly used distros are run just by a tiny team of hobbyists)
I mean, I’d get the reaction if someone claimed they are Linux users because they use Android (though with enough knowledge you can also get a full Linux distro running on Android in chroot).
I really don’t like that sentiment though. Software development isn’t for free just because you slap GPL on it. These devs need to be paid somehow if they are supposed to do more than 3h/week.
You can also see the same thing in the Linux kernel. Many Kernel devs are employed by Microsoft, Google, the NSA and many other commercial entities.
Free as in “The people who make it should be doing it for free and I still can bitch about them and be the entitled customer as if they were Microsoft”…
“Use Snaps”
“No” (installs .deb)
“Fuck you, use Snaps”
(The Snap Store is a proprietary closed-source black-box that updates your snaps without asking and every part of this statement was a deliberate planned feature by Canonical)
I mentioned this in the comment you answered to. But as I said, this might be an issue for people that use Linux because they really hate anything that isn’t GPL, but 97% of the people on this planet care more about whether something is simple to use than what license it uses, as evidenced by the market share of Windows, Android, Chromebooks and Apple products.
Wouldn’t it be better to get some of them to use Ubuntu with snaps than to stay on their proprietary platforms, because packet management sucks and conflicts are basically impossible to solve for someone who’s not a software developer?
Linus swore that Bitkeeper wouldn’t alter the agreement further, like a mad egotistical movie villain.
Canonical is very clearly funneling their userbase towards a Snap-only environment (something that already exists as an option).
As the sole keyholders, and as a for-profit business, what is the next step?
Is it to maintain a wealth of options, even when that cuts into profit margins? What about when those options are competing products (think Gnome and KDE back in the Unity days)?
These things just do not make sense from a business perspective, and they will not be necessary once their userbase is locked into the Snap walled garden.
As to your point about licenses and market share, default non-options and limited choices aren’t compatible with conversations about choice.
I looked into it. You’re right.
They implemented the ability to permanently hold all automatic updates.
After five years of debate during which they consistently claimed that the whole point of Snaps is that developers can push whatever, whenever.
I have used Kubuntu since 12.04 and had few issues. I get everyone has favorites, but don’t understand the visceral tribalism present. Maybe I’ll hate Kubuntu when 24.04 comes out, I dunno. I have 20.04 as a daily driver and run into very few issues that are specifically Kubuntu related. I could use debian with KDE someday, I dunno.
I just want Linux, bash, and a decent browser at the end of the day.
This is going to sound petty, but one thing that annoyed me for years was the ads for their enterprise crap that they put into the terminal whn running updates.
I tried Debian 12 when it came out and I love it. I switched all of my systems to Debian.
I would much rather use a community driven distro than a corporate one.
Also, I applied for a job with Ubuntu The recruiter sent me the most insane take home written interview packet. I took a look at it and decided I didnt want to work with a bunch of people who would fill that packet out.
Nope, they’re two different distros. The reason that Raspberry Pi OS was renamed is that the 64 bit version does not use code from the Rasbian project.
And all Linux distros are basically the same thing, you can pen test with any distro. The package managers and repos are what makes them unique and interesting.
I really have no idea why someone would make another pen testing distro. Kali was enough, Parrot was like reinventing the wheel. I mean any descent distro has those same tools in repo. Install them if you like, make an image of the install, use it as a pen testing distro.
Now name 10 distros that aren’t based on each other. And yes I’m counting the *buntus as being based on Debian.
If you look at the famous https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2023_Linux_Distributions_Timeline.svg there’s a fill out there but barely any reinvention of the wheel (not that that’s a bad thing).
I’m pretty sure there isn’t an agreed upon definition of Linux distro and android being a distro has been a debate for a long time. Some, like me, see it as a Linux based distributed os.
But I guess we could then say LineageOS since it’s even in the Linux distro graph
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