AbsolutelyNotCats,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

In case anyone is wondering, that pile of symbols means true in brainfuck

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t wondering. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

mustardman,

Wait, all of that for just a Boolean true value or is that some sort of logical expression?

Technoguyfication,

Maybe it’s the string “true”?

itslilith,
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not true, it outputs “Wipp” to the console

That it doesn’t mean “true” can be immediately seen by the fact there’s a … in there, which outputs the same character twice

starman,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Please, have mercy, I have seen this meme sooo many times already…

Ensign_Crab,

Wait… Microsoft is still pretending that having their web browser installed is vital to the continued operation of their OS?

9point6,

Well, in their eyes, it seems vital to be sending me adverts as notifications, I guess it’s probably also vital that those adverts have a browser to link through

JackRiddle,

Can you install applications in any other way on windows?

PlasterAnalyst,

You can just run the portable version without installing.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes, Windows has an app store, and a CLI package manager called Winget now.

But the Windows app store is garbage and Windows users are pathologically afraid of the terminal so…effectively no.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I tried giving Winget a try but it kind of sucks.

Moobythegoldensock,

Yes, you can install Chocolatey without using a browser.

Cylusthevirus,
@Cylusthevirus@kbin.social avatar

Did we not teach them a lesson about this in the 90s?

Ensign_Crab,

The lesson they learned in the 90s is that you can drag a trial out long enough to get a favorable administration in office to give you a slap on the wrist.

yyyesss,

Mac does the same. You can’t remove Safari and you can’t sudo chmod 0 /Applications/Safari.app

Ask me how I know 😒

BackOnMyBS,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

how do you know?

FlihpFlorp,

HE ASKED ONE THING OF YOU

glibg10b,

And he delivered.

9point6,

No, we spoke about this, never answer the request

yyyesss,

I read it on wikihow

BackOnMyBS,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

neato burrito

Weslee,

Isn’t it required for all networked services they provide via windows (for example windows update, network connectivity checks, etc)

Ensign_Crab,

If you buy that.

Weslee,

Tbh I have no idea, it was just an educated guess

glibg10b,

Some old applications depend on IE, but not Edge

jarfil,

Browsers use network functions. Any program can use network functions, no need for a browser.

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

If you could uninstall edge one could end up in a situation where there are zero browsers installed, which is extremely user unfriendly. Unlike Linux, Windows tries to accommodate any kind of user.

With enough know-how you can absolutely remove edge. They just don’t make it easy. Which is a good thing.

Zacryon, (edited )

Meh, weak argument in my opinion. If one happens to run into the problem of having no browser, there are other ways around it. E.g., using your smartphone to download the installer of a browser and transfer it to the PC. People, who run into situations where they could end up with no browser are usually those who are overwhelmed with the internet anyways.

That they don’t make it easy to uninstall edge, while it’s easy to fuck up your system in other ways, clearly shows that it’s not about helping DAUs, but about forcing edge onto users.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Unlike Linux, Windows tries to accommodate any kind of user.

And how it tries to accomodate user that does not want any browser?

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

By letting them use the OS without ever having to see any browser at all

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I.e. without browser installed? It contradicts your previous statement.

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

No, by not using it.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Will Microsoft send spare disk for all the bloat user don’t want, but can’t delete?

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

Nah.

jarfil,

If there was a simple checkbox to uninstall Edge… checking it back on would just install it. That’s how the rest of Windows system features work.

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

I recognized it as Brainfuck, but assumed it was going to be a fork bomb for some reason.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I misidentified it as regex somehow.

cypherpunks,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

You can’t fork in brainfuck 🤣 but I was thinking it was going to be a non-terminating program.

(I ran it and it actually outputs Wipp … which I’m now left wondering the meaning of.)

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

Good to know, I’ve never done enough with Brainfuck to know anything more than basic info about it.

glibg10b,

Brainfuck can only print and compute :)

genoxidedev1,
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

I'm pretty sure it's Kricketunes cry in text format

DoomBot5,

C is the same. Free to do whatever you want until the system stops you. Yet people hate coding in C for some reason, as there isn’t enough hand holding.

artvabas,

Where C stop, continue in Assembly!

nogrub,

return to monk and code in machine code

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Assembly IS machine code, just with with mnemonics

nogrub,

isn’t assembly code sent throu an assembler to get machine code ? i’m gonna ask google again brb edit the explanation i found:

Both machine and assembly languages are low-level programming languages used to write programs. Machine language is the binary code computers understand and execute directly, while assembly language is a human-readable machine language representation

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

while assembly language is a human-readable machine language representation

Yep. Same thing, but with letters.

jarfil,

Where Assembly stops, run an opcode fuzzer to locate undocumented instructions.

AnonTwo,

This meme shows up here way too often...like every other day....

genoxidedev1,
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

Noticed that too, my memory is absolute godshit and even I remember having seen it at least twice now in the current recency.

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

And it’s not even that great of a flex too. “My OS lets me sudo commands that will break my system.” Great, so your system lets you accidentally break the system with a fat finger mistake? Why would I want that?

Windows is geared towards a general audience that includes some of the dumbest and least technically literate people to ever walk the earth. And they have to support it. Of course they’re going to limit your permissions.

gravitas_deficiency,

Using that argument as a basis for why it’s ok for MS to disallow uninstallation of Edge: 🤡

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

Did I say I was defending MS’ restrictions on Edge? No. I think it’s dumb, but not for the reason you think.

MS prevents you from uninstalling edge because for some stupid reason a bunch of system processes and their store all require and use edge as a dependency. Removing edge would actually break a lot of things in windows. Is it stupid? Absolutely. But the reason they don’t want to do that is because MS implements a lot of restrictions like this to prevent their end users from breaking windows with stupid mistakes.

But this meme isn’t about allowing people to removing edge. Its trying to flex on the capabilities of linux vs. windows but using the laziest smooth brained way to do that. There are a lot of benefits to linux over windows. But the ability to sudo fuck your bootloader isn’t one of them.

thedeadwalking4242,

The reason they don’t is because of the antitrust suit they had back in the day. The tried to argue internet explorer was a integrated part of the OS so they didn’t have to remove it. Now they are forcing edge to be just that so they do their old anti trust shit again

RogueBanana,

Are those lot of things actually useful? I forcibly removed edge or most of its files anyway and had no issue. The links won’t work obviously but that’s a feature to me. Fuck edge and windows.

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

Look I’m not going to defend windows or Microsoft. Personally I doubt its useful at all but it doesn’t really matter. A broken dependency is a broken dependency.

Even if it’s a pet project from a bing exec that’s completely unnecessary - if removing it will break things, an os geared towards a general public should prevent it from being removed.

voidMainVoid,

One of the things that people like about Linux is how configurable it is. This meme is alluding to the power that Linux gives users through a technique known as “humor”.

eochaid,
@eochaid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh duh, you’re absolutely right, I forgot about the oft used configuration option of “sudo fuck my boot loader = enabled”

If linuxmemes thinks this meme is humor, it explains a lot.

AnonTwo,

It could be said that while there's a million good reasons to allow uninstallation of edge, this is taking one of the weakest ones.

You could easily vouch for it and still think it's not really that great to point out something that would easily break the PC for a lot of inexperienced users.

hansl,

Obviously there’s a need for people in this comm to uninstall their boot loaders, and a frustration that Windows won’t let them.

henfredemars,

They can take my footguns when they pry them from my cold dead hands.

hansl,

cold dead hands feet

MJBrune,

We are really mimicking Reddit.

saltesc,

Back when Windows 98 just released and I was a kid, my friend’s dad used his Acer boot CD to boot into DOS and rename the Windows directory to Linux.

glibg10b,

I swear I’ve seen this meme like 10 times

gogosempai,
@gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

Rookie numbers. Between Reddit, Twitter and Lemmy, I’m at 50+ right now.

ColdWater,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Wanna fuck up your os without knowing it? Sure

JackRiddle,

I certainly know that I am fucking up my os. I’m just not sure how yet.

Most linux distros will warn you extensively before you can do something like unmount the disk you’re on or dulete your bootloader. You will know when you are about to wreck your system.

Technoguyfication,

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

It won’t warn you about that

jarfil,

Bootloader uninstalled successfully… (and a few more things too, but who’s counting)

Amity_Noceda,

Me: “I’m going to change Python3 default to >3.7” Ubuntu: scream in exceptions

Hellstormy,
@Hellstormy@lemmy.world avatar

Hmmm, not having a problem with that even though I have it at 3.10

Amity_Noceda,

I must’ve been doing something wrong, symlinked Python3 to 3.7 and apt ecosystem breaks on me in 18&22 LTS

Anticorp,

Symlinks all day

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

eselect python

zbecker,
@zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc avatar

@Amity_Noceda @AbsolutelyNotCats

This is why I love NixOS so much.

mexicancartel,

Oh I was wondering why some people mentions when replying. Now with double mentions i found you are from mastodon

zbecker,
@zbecker@mastodon.zbecker.cc avatar

@mexicancartel

Yeah mastodon does that by default and I am too lazy to remove them...

henfredemars,

pyenv and chill. Practical default it in your shells without messing with what installed packages expect.

Yeah, but still those packages should probably not be calling the generic python3 if they need a specific version of python. If they depend on system installed pip packages, there’s got to be a better solution.

sheogorath,

I’m more of an asdf guy myself.

iHUNTcriminals,

The first thing I do on every install. Delete the bootloader and all the bloat files in /. Especially those goddamned .files

nogrub,

that brainfuck code gives a memory error :(

AbsolutelyNotCats,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

No way you actually tested it. It would be impressive

This is the correct piece of shit code, somehow my lemmy app didn’t write it well in the title


<span style="color:#323232;">+[--->++&lt;]>+.++[-->+++++&lt;]>++.
</span>
droans,

Sure, blame the IDE.

cyberpunk2350,

Online compiler said it was W

tpcg.io/_J1PLKA

AbsolutelyNotCats,
@AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id avatar

Sorry, I don’t visit http sites. Do you have a secure alternative for that website?

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

He made it http. The website supports HTTPS.

fatalError,

They won’t bite… As long as you don’t enter any sensitive data you’re good. Besides, 90% of them redirect you to the https version anyway

Turun, (edited )

How TF can a brainfuck program throw a memory error? It operates on an infinite array of bytes that wrap around on overflow.

This website prints “Wipp” for the code in the title.

kuneho,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

Bailing out, you are on your own now. Good luck.

judas,

But you CAN uninstall Edge, lol. Open the terminal:

winget uninstall insert package name

To find the package name, just type:

winget list

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Notsosuperfloh,

you can’t do this with edge.

Honytawk,

Terminal:


<span style="color:#323232;">cd/
</span><span style="color:#323232;">cd %Program Files (x86)%MicrosoftEdgeApplicationEDGEVERSIONNUMBERInstaller
</span><span style="color:#323232;">setup --uninstall --force-uninstall --system-level
</span>

or

Powershell:


<span style="color:#323232;">get-appxpackage *edge*
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Remove-appxpackage 
</span>

I know you guys foam at the mouth every time you see how much market share Windows has, but at least use valid arguments as to why you think your specific branch of Linux is superior.

Notsosuperfloh,

i use windows myself, because vr gaming sux on linux. and i can’t uninstall edge. tried everything and i always get permission denied.

drivepiler,

Press the Windows key, type “Powershell”, right click “Windows Powershell” and click “Run as administrator”. Then use the commands listed above.

Notsosuperfloh,

i always run povershell and command line as admin. even if i don’t need admin privileges.

Aux,

You’d get the same permission denied in Linux if you tried to remove the bootloader. You just don’t have permissions, my man.

stoicmaverick,

I think the drama is the result of intent, not theoretical possibility for someone who knows a workaround. The difference is that Microsoft obviously doesn’t WANT you to uninstall edge, and makes it artificially more difficult to do so than 3rd party browsers, despite your ownership of the computer.

Honytawk,

Does Linux want you to remove the bootloader? Cause that is what the post is claiming then.

Windows is a lot more idiot proof, that is why it is so popular with non-techies. T’is a feature, not a bug.

voidMainVoid,

Yeah, because only an idiot would want to get rid of Edge. Obviously.

phoenixz,

Aaaaannddd again.

Install Linux, drop any and all Microsoft software, you don’t need it

Fuck everything about Microsoft

And lately I’d like to add Google yo this too, but at least google has working and dependable products

ArmokGoB,

Most games don’t support Linux.

ntzm,

Muh games

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

everything except games with anticheats that intentionally block linux/wine works

TrejoPhD,

This guy is correct

It takes a lil work, but with proton, lutris, etc, pretty much everything runs, except games with anti heat such as Destiny.

Sure, it’s not as easy as running an exe, but… it’s getting there.

LordCirais,

I really like PubG though

ArmokGoB,

So basically any competitive online game is out.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

some anticheats support linux.
you van play like half of these games

superkret,

Are you from 2003?

millie,

This is a bit unrealistic. Games may work better than they did in the past, but performance isn’t 1:1 yet. More importantly, device drivers can be a lot more dicey.

Personally, the main thing keeping me from actually using my Linux partition most of the time is that my mouse buttons can’t be properly rebound. Yeah, I could find some janky work-around, but that would be eating into my workflow.

I also do, in fact, need Windows for development.

GNU is great, but pretending it’s a viable Windows replacement for every use case is just disingenuous. It doesn’t help anyone and it only makes GNU supporters seem that much more out of touch with the average user’s experience.

There are literally people who will think the internet is broken if they accidentally delete their browser shortcut or just straight up can’t find it in the sea of icons on their desktop. These are the users that Windows is protecting from themselves. The same users probably wouldn’t be able to figure out how to use the command line if their life depended on it.

There’s a place for Windows, and there’s a place for GNU. I’d love to see the place for GNU expand and the place for Windows shrink, but that doesn’t make it so.

phoenixz,

Microsoft seems to think that windows is the solution to all usecases, I think the reverse.

Yes, Linux too has its issues, but I’ve seen major growth in Linux whereas windows had been a steady decline to becoming an ad riddled bloatware machine that you pay for

millie,

Windows definitely isn’t the solution for all use cases. There are some use cases for which it’s completely ineffective. There is no one operating system that’s perfect for all use cases.

Crozekiel,

This feels out-of-touch itself, like you haven't actually tried in years. Yes, to rebind your mouse buttons, you will have to install a piece of software, and tell it what you want each button to do... Exactly like you have to do in Windows. I haven't seen any janky work-arounds needed, and the software is a lot more responsive than I was used to in windows with the official logitech software. You don't need command line in linux any more often than you need to edit the registry in windows - your typical PC user can get by without it just fine and probably should stay away from it. As for game performance, there will always be variability here, but there is no hard and fast rule like "you will lose 20% performance in linux vs windows". Some stuff may not get along with proton or linux (big one is some of the "bad actor" anti-cheat stuff, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread that just won't work at all), but the vast majority is running great under linux - imperceptibly different, if it is even different at all. Finally, there are plenty of distros that will handle all the drivers you need with little to no input from the user. One of the primary selling points of PopOS is fantastic graphics driver support "out of the box", but they aren't alone - many make the process invisible or butter smooth.

I always love how many people that don't use linux to do 'X' thing, feel the need to tell people that do use linux every day for 'X' how bad linux is at doing 'X'... People going into windows specific communities and shouting about how bad windows is for 'X' or 'Y' task would be shunned to oblivion if not outright banned, but they come into the linux communities every day to tell us how bad linux is??

millie, (edited )

I emailed the dev who makes Solaar less than a month ago after my most recent attempt. They said clicking and holding would be on Logitech’s end, in their firmware. As the firmware stands currently, it’s not possible to rebind those particular buttons and click and hold them unless you rebind them to other buttons already on the mouse. Works in Logitech Options + on Windows, does not work through Solaar on any Linux distro.

I attempted to contact the Logitech devs, but there doesn’t seem to be any open avenue for doing so. I tried talking to Logitech support, but they weren’t able to put me in contact or even forward a message.

So yes, I have tried this recently. And literally the person who makes the software I’m trying to use has told me that my use case is not currently possible without some sort of workaround.

MJBrune,

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  • phoenixz,

    Linux is less dependable and less stable

    Yeah, you’re just trolling now. Linux desktops get installed, then work, and just keep working. I’ve had a Linux Desktop for over 20 years now, I’ve supported Linux and windows desktops for a similar amount of time and I can easily tell you you’re full of shit.

    Yes, Linux has issues like everything, but nothing has issues like a Microsoft windows desktop.

    It’s the windows machines that are always at risk for the next virus or shit, it’s the windows machine where next up the virus scanner makes the machine unstable and un dependable. It’s the windows machine where half the shit always works, well, half.

    Many apps? Yeah sure dude, “Linux doesn’t have many apps.” Is one of those vague "I have shit idea what I’m talking about"statements

    “Many devices” 20 years of Linux and I can tell you that Linux has more devices supportrd out of the box than windows. Yes, there may be some niche hardware that isn’t supported but if you really need that, ask the vendor.

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