What is wayland?

I know I could duckduckgo it, but I think we’re at the stage at lemmy where there’s space to ask basic questions.

What is it? Why does it matter? Users at which lunix proficiency level should care about it? Is it just yet another competing standard or is x actually going to die?

pewgar_realkbin,

x11 should die in like the 2030s

Cysioland,
@Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Yes, X is actually going to die.

take6056,

Explained by someone that doesn’t know the technical side super well.

1: It’s a new protocol for displaying. The main difference from X11, as I understand it, is a simplification of the stack. Eliminating the need for a display server, or merging the display server and compositor.

2: Some things impossible (or difficult) with X11 are much better supported in Wayland. Their not necessarily available, as the Wayland protocol is quite generic and needs additional protocols for further negotiation. Examples are fractional scaling & multiple displays with differing refresh rates.

Security is also improved. X11 did not make some security considerations (as it is quite old, maybe justifiably so). In X11 it’s possible for any application to “look” at the entire display. In Wayland they receive a specific section that they can draw into and use. (This has the side-effect of complicating stuff like redshifting the screen at night, but in my experience that has fully caught up).

3: If you’re interested, are in desktop application development (but I have no experience in that regard) or have a specific need for Wayland.

4: I think X won’t die for a long long time if “ever”. I’m not super familiar with desktop app development, but I don’t think it requires more work to keep supporting X.

On the other hand, most of the complaints about Wayland I’ve heard were ultimately about support. At some point, when you’re a normal user, the distro maintainer should be able to decide to move to Wayland without you noticing, apart from the blurriness being gone with fractional scaling.

Vorter,

I’m not super familiar with desktop app development, but I don’t think it requires more work to keep supporting X.

It doesn’t depend that much on desktop application developers, but on GUI toolkit developers. It does need more work for GTK and Qt devs to support both. But the outcome will likely depend not that much on ammount of work as on “political” decisions. RedHat are now somewhat actively forcing Wayland in their distros. They also have their impact on GNOME, so it’s not impossible that due RedHat’s decision GNOME and then GTK (that is now developed mostly by GNOME developers, despite being GIMP Toolkit initially) will ditch X “just because”.

End user Application developers usually don’t deal much with Wayland or X — they just use toolkits (GTK or Qt for the majority), and toolkits do all the under the hoof work for them.

jeremias,
@jeremias@social.jears.at avatar

Wayland is a Display Server Protocol, meaning it is a specification of how a program wanting to display something like a window communicates with another program, the display server, which handles drawing to the screen.

It matters because it vastly simplifies and modernizes display server infrastructure.

X is huge, with many parts from the 80s and 90s that were simply not needed today, creating a fully compliant X Server with all extensions was pretty much impossible, which is the reason pretty much only X.org existed as a full implementation.

Some benefits for users are no screen tearing, VRR and support for more complicated setups like having multiple monitors all with a different refresh rate, which was a pain in the ass on X but is no problem on wayland.

X is going to die, especially with the fact that frredesktop and the two big DEs, GNOME and KDE are working on it. Some distros come with wayland by default already.

wfh,

X is not going to die, X is already dead.

(great write-up btw ;) )

Valmond,

Will this help VCN?

Petter1,

I think there is already a solution for that

github.com/KDE/xwaylandvideobridge Oh it’s for other kinds of screen mirror it seems.

After short DDGO i found this github.com/any1/wayvnc but I don’t know if that would work

Vorter,

In short, Wayland is a protocol for graphics.

It’s somewhat similar to X, as its main purpose is the same, however the archivecture is very different, and Wayland is much simpler/barebone.

If X is going to die or not — only time will tell. For now it can be considered another competing standard.

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