Best practices in mounting NAS shares?

What are some best practices in mounting NAS shares that you all follow?

Currently I am mounting using fstab to my user’s home directory with full rwx permissions, but that feels wrong.

I’ve read to use the mnt directory or the media directory but opinions differ.

My main concern is I want to protect against inadvertently deleting the contents of the NAS with an errant rm command. And yes I have backups of my NAS too.

Edit: this is a home NAS with 1 user on this Linux PC (the other clients being windows and Mac systems)

Would love to hear everyone’s philosophy! Thanks!

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

If you do this, make sure you use snapshots, ideally taken automatically. You wouldn’t want ransomware to overwrite the files on your NAS.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

golinuxcloud.com/mount-partition-using-systemd/#S…

possiblylinux127,

I just mount the share in my file manager

tkf,
@tkf@infosec.pub avatar

I’m curious, what file system do you use to mount your share? (SMB, SSHFS, WebDAV, NFS…?) I’ve never managed to get decent performance on a remote-mounted directory because of the latency, even on a local network, and this becomes an issue with large directories

NotAnArdvark,

Agreed on the latency issues. I tested SMB and NFS once and found them to be pretty much the same in that regard.

I’m interested to test iSCSI, as for some reason I think it might be better designed for latency.

dan, (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

If you want the lowest latency, you could try NBD. It’s a block protocol but with less overhead compared to iSCSI. github.com/NetworkBlockDevice/nbd/tree/master

Like iSCSI, it exposes a disk image file, or a raw partition if you’d like (by using something like /dev/sda3 or /dev/mapper/foo as the file name). Unlike iSCSI, it’s a fairly basic protocol (the API is literally only 9 commands). iSCSI is essentially just regular SCSI over the network.

NFS and SMB have to deal with file locks, multiple readers and writers concurrently accessing the same file, permissions, etc. That can add a little bit of overhead. With iSCSI and NBD, it assumes only one client is using the file (because it’s impossible for two clients to use the same disk image at the same time - it’ll get corrupted) and it’s just reading and writing raw data.

Rockslide0482,

main thing to note is that NFS is an object based storage (acts like a share) where iSCSI is block based (acts like a disk). You’d really only use iSCSI for things like VM disks, 1:1 storage, etc. For home use cases unless you’re selfhosting (and probably even then) you’re likely gonna be better off with NFS.

if you were to do iSCSI I would recommend its own VLAN. NFS technically should be isolated too, but I currently run NFS over my main VLAN, so do what ya gotta do

phx,

Yeah, there are a few limitations to each. NFS, for example, doesn’t play nicely with certain options if you’re using a filesystem overlay (overlays), which can be annoying when using it for PXE environments. It does however allow you to mount in several remote machines simultaneously, which I don’t think iSCSI would play nicely with.

SMB though has user-based authentication built in, watch can be quite handy esp if you’re not into setting up a whole Kerberos stack in order to use that functionality with NFS.

SpaceCadet,

I’ve found that NFS gives me the best performance and the least issues. For my use cases, single user where throughput is more important than latency, it’s indistinguishable from a local disk. It basically goes as fast as my gigabit NIC allows, which is more or less the maximum throughput of the hard disks as well.

A benefit of NFS over SMB is that you can just use Unix ownerships and permissions. I do make sure to synchronize UIDs and GIDs across my devices because I could never get idmapping to work with my NAS.

2xsaiko,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

idmapping

idmap only works with Kerberos auth, but iirc I didn’t have to set anything up specifically for it. Though I’ve also never really had to test it since my UIDs match coincidentally, I just tested with the nfsidmap command.

teawrecks,

The NAS should be regularly backed up/snapshotted, so that even if you/a bad process deletes everything, you can restore it all quickly and easily.

LastYearsPumpkin,

A backup is an emergency protection, not a primary plan. This attitude is dangerously close to making the backup a critical part of their uptime.

teawrecks,

Having something rm your entire NAS is an emergency, not something that should be happening regularly. If it is, you’ve got bigger problems.

UntouchedWagons,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar

I use systemd mount files instead of fstab, that way I can specify a network dependency in the off chance there’s no network connection. Plus I can have other services like jellyfin depend on that mount file so it starts after the share is available.

dtrain,

Thank you!

4am,

I need to start doing this

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

golinuxcloud.com/mount-partition-using-systemd/#S…

Rockslide0482,

in fstab, there’s a nofail option that I started using when mounting NFS and other disks that may be missing and I don’t want to kill my bootup

steel_moose,
@steel_moose@lemmy.world avatar

Dipping my toes into this as well. Would you care to share the contents of your .mount unit file?

If I understand it correctly systemd generates unit files at boot using fstab 🤔. Probably not possible to specify the network dependency in fstab.

UntouchedWagons,
@UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca avatar 

<span style="color:#323232;">#cat /etc/systemd/system/mnt-data.mount
</span><span style="color:#323232;">[Unit]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Description=nfs mount script
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">[Mount]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">What=192.168.0.30:/mnt/tank/Media
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Where=/mnt/data
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Type=nfs4
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">[Install]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">WantedBy=remote-fs.target
</span>

The file name has to match the folder upon which the share is mounted with hypens instead of forward slashes

0x4E4F,

Mounting it in fstab is a bad idea… in home even worse.

Just make some desktop entries with the shares and that should be enough.

Tiuku,

What’s so wrong with fstab?

0x4E4F,

Well, for one, it’s network attached storage. If it’s not present in the network for one reason or another, guess what, your OS doesn’t boot… or it errors during boot, depending on how the kernel was compiled and what switches your bootloader sends to the kernel during boot. Second, this is an easy way for malware to spread, especially if it’s set to run after user logon.

Molecular0079,

I agree, for most cases just mount it via your File Manager of choice. If you’re using it as a backing storage for another server, then that’s a use case where fstab is fine.

dtrain,

If I mount it in the file manager, how do I reference that location in the terminal to say do copy operations to it?

0x4E4F,

It has to have a mount point somewhere. Just double click the desktop entry, that will mount it wherever you told it to and then you can copy to that location, easy peasy 😉.

Molecular0079,

Which file manager are you using?

In Nautilus, you can right click anywhere and click Open in Console, at which point it will open up a terminal leading to a gvfs mount directory.

In KDE, it is slightly more annoying because there’s no right click option to quickly open it in terminal, but like gvfs, there’s a mount directory that you can access at /run/user//kio-fuse-/smb/.

NotAnArdvark,

I’ve found that Dolphin, at least, is much slower with network mounts than a CLI-based “mount”.

Molecular0079,

Lately performance has improved dramatically. A year ago, it used to be about half-speed, but now it’s basically on par with a CLI-mount.

LastYearsPumpkin,

How many users are there?

Is there a chance that the computer will boot without access to the NAS (aside from failure conditions).

Are you doing anything with ownership to prevent reading, or changing, sensitive files?

dtrain,

This is a home NAS with one user (myself) on this Linux client. Other clients will be Windows for other users.

My NAS user has full rw permissions across the NAS shares (but not admin privs). I’m not super comfortable with this config as it strike me as too permissive to mount on the home directory. Would love to hear better approaches.

Yes, there is a chance the NAS can be down when booting the Linux pc.

lemmyvore,

There aren’t many options… you can either modify the share or you cannot. 🙂 Pick one.

LastYearsPumpkin,

Well, with multiple users you’d need to decide what the use case is for the whole NAS and then work down from there.

Are you sharing everything in the NAS with everyone? In that case your NAS setup is fine, just a little permissive, because with RW to everything, the end users can break everything.

If it were me setting this up, I’d have different mount points for different users. 1 mount for each user that only they can read/write (not even you should be able to see it), and 1 mount that everyone can read/write, maybe if you want to go a little bonkers, 1 mount that everyone can read, but only you can write to.

Then you’d mount those three to separate mounts in your /media, and you can link them from your home directory for specific use cases.

Obviously this is completely overkill, but you can take the parts that sound appealing to you and ignore the rest.

MasterBlaster,

I set up the mount points in configuration as dynamic NFS volumes and added Bookmarks to nautilus. You can get to the volume either with cd command or right-click -> terminal here. You can shut down the NAS and only lose the share, which returns when the system goes online.

This is much better than WbDAV, which is fine for simple sharing or for devices that can’t handle NFS easily like Android phones.

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