uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Belarus and everything else?

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Italy didn’t have tomatoes in the 1490’s? 🤔

What did they put on the pasta back then?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Alfredo sauce, silly.

hedgehogging_the_bed,

While being totally wrong because it wasn’t called Alfredo at the time and wouldn’t be until like 1930s, they did often put oil, herbs, and cheese on pasta before the popularity of the tomato so you are still correct.

creditCrazy,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Surprised irland isn’t yellow arint they known for liking potatoes

Psaldorn,

And avocado.

All the good things that end in O

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Even Spaghetti-Os. Can’t have those without the tomato sauce.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Those are banned in Europe. Thankfully.

There’s some contraband here and there, but the food police is on the case.

Agent641,

Dildo

SubArcticTundra,

It’s amazing that we can recreate this map with such accuracy!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Wait until you see the map of the Americas before 1492 with the shredded wheat/oatmeal divide.

krimsonbun,
@krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

even with all borders removed ireland still isn’t reunified

jdf038,

Time traveling Ira songs intensify

Noodle07,

They dug out the border to fill it with water. The northern moat they call it

MindSkipperBro12,

It never will, it’d be pure folly to believe otherwise.

TheProtagonist,

This map was brought to you by Britain, the great!

Seraph,
@Seraph@kbin.social avatar

At the same time, 1491, you can do a map of horses in North America with the same result!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
Seraph,
@Seraph@kbin.social avatar

Interesting! Wonder how that would've changed early American cultures if they hadn't died off?

weariedfae,

Hey, just a little FYI but humans were in North America before the horse went extinct* so they likely did have some interaction with ancient cultures.

_* From what I gather there is heated debate as to whether the domesticated horse that was brought back to North America is truly non-native. I’m not a paleontologist nor phylogeneticist so I can’t speak to any of that.

bernieecclestoned,

Thanks, I read it as 1941 and thought it was something about ww2

promitheas,
@promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Please explain meme for us who aren’t this well versed in history

pancake,
@pancake@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Potato and tomato were native to the American continent.

BrudderAaron,
@BrudderAaron@lemmy.world avatar

But how did Italians make their pizzas? :(

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They probably used peppers.

atyaz,

Aren’t peppers native to America too

atyaz,

I think I missed the joke

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
Skua, (edited )

Youtuber Max Miller did an episode on ancient pizza in which he attempts to recreate a Roman pizza based on a fresco from Pompeii and a poem usually attributed to Virgil. He went with cheese, dates, pomegranate seeds, and a sauce similar to pesto. Which honestly sounds great to me

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If I wasn’t allergic to pomegranate, I’d try to make that.

RandomStickman,
@RandomStickman@kbin.social avatar

This makes me think that ancient Romans would absolutely put pineapples on pizza if they had access to them

Skua,

They were the real barbarians all along

alienzx,

Flammkuchen

elxeno,

With left beef

EddoWagt,

This makes my whole life feel like a lie, I really do associate tomatoes with southern Europe and potatoes with northern Europe

Unforeseen,

Neither existed in Europe back then. I’m not sure if there is another reference to that exact date I’m missing

loboaureo, (edited )

América was discovered by Colon in 1492 and bring the first potato and tomato seeds to Europe

OrteilGenou,

I thought it was discovered by ship

metaStatic,

poo if by sea

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure he didn’t discover it, what with people having lived there for tens of thousands of years.

lugal,

I never got this semitic discussion. I can discover a cabin in a forest or a store in a city but Columbus can’t discover a continent because he wasn’t the first one who discovered it?

saltesc,

As far as I care, “discovered” is in relation to cartography, at which point most societies know of it and its location.

Anything else is just pathetic semantics that could go back through evolution and the chronology of Earth’s continents and geography. No one wants that except a couple of Actually Guys.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I care, “discovered” is in relation to cartography, at which point most societies know of it and its location.

Well then you can’t go with Columbus. Basically no one in Asia or Africa knew what he did, let alone both of the Americas and Australia. So unless you define Europe as the only place with societies, Columbus doesn’t even come close.

saltesc, (edited )

Sorry. Did I say I was “going with Columbus”?

lugal,

most societies

I would change this to “a society” so Columbus discovered America for the European society while other societies already knew it or still didn’t

Catoblepas,

This would have more merit if he ever set foot in North America. He landed in the Bahamas. It’s technically part of the North American tectonic plate, but so is part of Iceland.

lugal,

Because America is only North America?

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Yes moron, that is colloquially what it means

lugal, (edited )

And there is no causal relation between the discovery of these

Edit: Also: the meme is about potatoes and tomatoes which come from around central America. They aren’t USA exports. The meme is about the discovery of America as in the Americas

Catoblepas,

He didn’t introduce potatoes or tomatoes to Europe either, that happened decades later.

lugal,

But as a consequence

Catoblepas,

By this reasoning it was actually the Queen of Spain that ‘discovered’ the Americas, potatoes, and tomatoes.

lugal,

It was Columbus who thought the earth is small enough to circuit it

pinkdrunkenelephants, (edited )

And it doesn’t matter, because what is up for dispute is what people mean when they say America. Which is North America, regardless of the actual facts. That’s what colloquial means

Pay attention to what is actually being discussed before running your mouth to make yourself sound smart.

lugal, (edited )

Context matters. When it’s about the discovery of America, it’s the double continent since north and south America were not discovered separately. They are one landmass

Edit: Also you were the one saying “actually America is Nort America so Columbus didn’t discover the real America”. Think about the context before trying to sound smart

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Not in the real world where U.S.-centric dumbasses live in their own reality and force everyone else to go along with it with guns and nukes.

You and I both know the term America applies to both continents, but to the NPCs, it doesn’t. That’s literally what colloquialism is – what NPCs say, and that is what was up for dispute. Not the actual facts of the matter.

Edit: Also you were the one saying “actually America is Nort America so Columbus didn’t discover the real America”. Think about the context before trying to sound smart

No, no, you’re clearly confusing me with the other guy because you are angry I called you out on trying and failing to sound smart. Breathe in through your nose, hold 4 seconds, breathe out with your mouth, and read the screen names again.

lugal,

To be clear: in most cases I too use America synonym with USA but to say “Columbus discovered the USA”, well, …

pinkdrunkenelephants,

It’s a good thing no one is claiming Columbus discovered the USA then, isn’t it?

Or are you that pathetic and desparate to win an argument on the Internet that you need to use that blatant of a strawman?

No one here is fighting or trying to win anything except you. Grow the fuck up.

lugal,

The argument started when I talked about Columbus discovering America and someone said “he never was in north America”. Then you called me a morron for pointing out that America is more than just north America

Mouselemming,

I discovered a new restaurant last week. It’s been around for decades but it was new to me. I can’t remember the first time I tasted a tomato or potato, but to the Europeans it must have been amazing! And don’t forget chocolate!

You are correct about the thriving and ancient civilizations in the “New World” of course. Getting olives and oranges and figs, even horses, doesn’t feel like enough compensation for what happened to them…

loboaureo,

The gravity was there from the beginning of time, but Newton discovered it.

English is not my first language but as long as you specify for who, you can use discover, like "I discovered this movie last year, it’s my new favorite movie since then’ and the movie was published 40 years ago.

Imgonnatrythis,

Do potato grow from seeds? I thought they just grew from other potato.

loboaureo,

Yes, you are right , he brings potatoes and tomatoes seeds, not potatoes seeds and tomatoes seeds

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

They can be, they’re nightshades so they make little tomato-like berries which contain seeds. Usually people just replant potatoes instead because it’s easier and they grow faster.

Imgonnatrythis,

Potatos make tomatos? Now you are just trying to confuse me.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It’s a meta meme. There are a few popular memes out there showing the divide between “Potato Europe” and “Tomato Europe”

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/cb6ffec4-1b13-462f-825b-24b8efe0456f.jpeg

But this one is showing neither because it predates their arrival in Europe, I guess.

TonyTonyChopper,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

finally, Ireland is made whole

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