praise_idleness,

That’s a brand new way to fuck users’ ass. Very impressed.

QuantumEyetanglement,

ELI5?

pptouchi,

Denuvo is always online DRM software, that usually results in performance issues (reduced frame rate, increased latency, stuttering, etc.).

In this case it appears Ubisoft avoided tried to skirt the potential bad press from performance issues by delaying the inclusion of denuvo until after people had bought the game/early reviews came out.

HughJanus,

Are there any publishers that aren’t actively trying to sabotage their own userbase? Activision? Ubisoft? Blizzard? EA? Even Valve now going to town on shitty microtransactions and deleting CS:GO?

leftzero,

CD Projekt Red…?

eldopgergan,

I guess they did it since Denuvo is generally known to cause performance issues in games.

So, reviewers gave scores on the denuvo-less game, which would have better performance, thus better scores, then they patched denuvo into it, so that they will get their drm and any performance drops will not play a role in any low scores.

But I can’t understand why reviewers can’t update their review… maybe it’s expensive for major reviewers?

gila,

I’m sure some will, the result will still be as intended though: a higher Metacritic score

TheOneCurly,
@TheOneCurly@lemmy.theonecurly.page avatar

Denuvo is a very complex anti piracy system for games that is pretty controversial. There’s a lot of evidence that it affects performance and it forces games that wouldn’t otherwise need Internet to be activated online regularly.

It’s the kind of thing that a reviewer would mention and that some people would use in their buying decisions. Sneaking it in after launch is going to make some people pretty mad and I’d feel used as a reviewer.

InEnduringGrowStrong,
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

Denuvo is like having to call your helicopter mom every other minute to make sure you still have the right to play.
If the call fails, or she doesn’t pickup, or if you can’t call for any reason (maybe your in the woods and have no service) you’re instantly teleported into a dark room and all your toys are gone because everyone assumes you’re a criminal now.

QuantumEyetanglement,

All great explanations, thanks everyone! But this is my favorite so far, thanks!

amio,

Denuvo bad.

In the (vain) quest to make people stop pirating, it goes so far (admittedly also comes the closest to "working") that it starts causing significant side effects. It's also apparently always online, which is a historical pet peeve for a lot of people: it doesn't add any value to the game, but it does add a buttload of possible extra ways for the game to crash or become unavailable. With no benefit to you, the player, and not much you can do about it, other than playing the games of someone who's not quite as much of a dick.

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I… but… that… that isn’t how this works…

You’re putting the cat outside after it already ate the canary.

MonkderZweite,

Early adopters pay more for less anyway and they will remove Denuvo after a few months, because it’s a subscription service. Never understood the hurry of the crack groups.

SleepyHarry,

Never understood the hurry of the crack groups.

You serious?

Obviously the sooner they crack it the sooner they can sell to impatient pirates. The market is only going to decrease over time, and if you’re beaten to the punch you lose out on loads of customers.

NOPper,

Lol pirates by definition don’t pay for software, there’s no profit in developing cracks beyond cred.

Atomic,

Paying for a pirated game? If I wanted to pay for it, I wouldn’t be looking into pirating it in the first place.

I also would not pirate anything at all because it’s illegal and I’m only speaking hypothetically.

wildginger,

Lol, no, pirates dont pay for anything. The cracking community is almost entirely clout based, its just for the bragging rights of being the smartest programmer out there.

Empress is an anomaly, and I dont actually think shes ever been paid her obnoxious “fee.” And even she is only claiming a fee for the clout, as a way to say “no one else can do what I do so its pay up or fuck off”

Blxter,
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

Wouldn’t buy from there crap launcher anyway.

pelerinli,

Last I checked, you had to download and launch from Uplay even if you buy game from other stores. I haven’t buyed any of their games after they pull a stunt on Brotherhood anyway.

Blxter,
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

Yes very true Ubisoft games take much longer to launch than others. I believe because of this. And by longer I mean like an easy minute longer.

DeathWearsANecktie,

Man I uninstalled Steep from my PC yesterday. I had to download an update to their shitty launcher and then login just to remove a game from my PC. I also have ghost recon on Epic games which requires you to use the launcher to launch another launcher to launch the game.

Buying the games is genuinely a worse experience than pirating them. Fuck Ubisoft but also EA and other publishers that do this bullshit.

DeriHunter,

It was the same with lies of P… I think it’s becoming a trend and someone needs to stop it, it’s false advertising. None of the reviews are credible, they’re not reviewing the same game

DrQuint,

Nah, they don’t need to stop this at all. This basically lets people pirate games all they want so long as the devs don’t intentionally throw in a game breaking bug on the review version.

HughJanus,

I think Valve has the power to end this nonsense…

rivalary,

Ah shit… Removed it from my wishlist. At least I didn’t already buy it.

CliveRosfield,

Yeah I will never not dislike Ubisoft games on principle

manapropos,

It’s Ubisoft, who would be surprised? Pirates get a better experience than paying customers and it’s been that way for over a decade

bookmeat,

Hardly anyone is streaming it. It’s the same cringy dialogue with the same boring game as its predecessors. I haven’t seen anything in any of the streams that would change my mind.

WindowsEnjoyer,

That ahould be a DLC.

DrMango,

Fuck Ubisoft

callouscomic,

So even if they had sold it on Steam, this was likely not going to work on Steam Deck? Doesn’t this denuvo kind of stuff cause issues?

jayandp,

Denuvo doesn’t prevent games working on Steam Deck, but depending on how it’s implemented it can cause other problems like preventing a game from launching if it hasn’t been able to connect online in a while, or weird performance issues. It varies from game to game.

potato,

Denuvo works perfectly fine on the Steam Deck/Linux. IDK why people keep repeating this.

callouscomic,

Good to know. I haven’t run into any issues, but I dunno if any games I’ve played had it. I had considered getting Mirage for Steam Deck, but I really don’t want to own it on ubisofts app.

meatand2veg,

This misconception with DRM making it unplayable on steam deck I think stems from 3rd party anti-cheat software flagging Linux players. Denuvo “works” fine on steam deck and Linux as a whole, same goes for anti-cheats. Developers always have the option to tune the anti-cheats to allow Linux players, but only some of them do.

ipkpjersi,

Ubisoft is pretty much the most evil gaming company so this is not surprising at all.

Syrc,

EA, Konami and Blizzard give good competition, I wouldn’t be so sure.

mister_newbie,

OOTL, Konami?

meatand2veg,

They rat-fucked Kojima towards the end of development of MGS5 and then raped the corpse of the FOX engine with that shitty MGS zombies game. When that didn’t work they decided to take a break from making video games and transitioned most of their development resources into making gambling house games for casinos. All their IPs went away for a while but I think they’re trying to get back into making games more recently.

mister_newbie,

Interesting. I guess one good thing about them not giving much of a crap about their IP is that we got the Netflix Castlevania series (although, Nocturne, so far, is kinda meh despite its Rondo / SotN era).

blindbunny,

And people wonder why pirates still exist

chili1553,

We’re still playing Tower Climbing simulators?

ezures,

Which, the older, the modern, or the far ones?

crystalmerchant,

Somebody ELI5 this for me

kale,

I’m not following closely and haven’t gamed on PC in a while but:

Denovo is a technology that is supposed to prevent copying games (DRM). Not sure what it’s current state is or might be mixing it up with other DRM, but DRM is known for causing headaches for paying customers. Using excessive system resources, refusal to launch for legitimate paying customers, spyware/excessive data collected and sent to a corporation, etc. In some games, volunteers will patch bugs out of a game, and this will cause the game to think it’s cracked and refuse to launch.

Some DRM is “phone home” and can’t be played offline, so people in remote areas can’t play. And sometimes the company doesn’t want to keep servers online when the game has been out for 10 years, so people that purchased the game can no longer play.

In this case, the company let reviewers rate the game and got the initial scores and sales, then pushed the unpopular DRM update. It’s scummy. If you’re using it, then use it. Don’t bait and switch.

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