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doggle, in Ugly American cites

We do?

Major cities are packed with parking decks, but decks are expensive, so they’ll only be built if land values are high. For most of America’s history it was simply cheaper to build out than up in most places.

It may be ugly, inconvenient, and environmentally problematic, but it shouldn’t be confusing.

Edit: it occurs to me that more parking, decks or otherwise, would actually be good for cars which seems antithetical to the point of this community… so I’m unsure what point is even trying to be made aside from calling America stupid

ignotum,

It would actually be bad for the cars, they would spend less time out in the sun causing them to develop a vitamin D deficiency, then they’d die from having weak bones.

But having parking garages wouldn’t reduce the number of cars as you say, but could potentially free up some land for useful things, which could make the cities more walkable at the very least

ThatWeirdGuy1001, in Ugly American cites
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be much more open to the idea if it wasn’t for the fact that every parking garage I’ve ever been you’ve had to pay by the hour for the space.

nei7jc, in Countering the argument of "but cars let me go wherever I want whenever I want!"
@nei7jc@lemmy.world avatar

This is a great video. I don’t know how it lost a few points. I think it might be just seeing “cars can go wherever” and not thinking about it.

redcalcium, in Ugly American cites

Like in Tokyo? That would allow cities to be denser and thus reduce the need of cars. Seems very unamerican.

FrostbyteIX, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
@FrostbyteIX@lemmy.world avatar

So how long until Monster Trucks becomes road legal? I call dibs on Outback Thunder!

PlantDadManGuy,

Just visit sunny Florida. They don’t give a fuck.

skellener, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
@skellener@kbin.social avatar

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eee, in Ugly American cites

It’s an issue of cost and density.

This is like saying “why don’t people build apartments in the suburbs”

Maalus,

… why don’t they? Europe goes from skyscrapers to block of flats to apartments in the suburbs and very few houses on the very outskirts. The US seems to go skyscraper - single family house

RedditWanderer,

Because the entire US has a “missing middle” and a suburb problem brought on by big corporations. You get into you car, burn gas for 20 minutes to go to their 1 super mega everything mall. They also banned the idea of having local store in a “residential area” to force you to go to the everything store.

The missing middle

TimewornTraveler,

that explains why suburbs are bad, not why apartments wouldn’t work there

RedditWanderer,

Not sure where you got “appartments wouldn’t work there”.

The entire video is about the missing middle, the midrises /appartments missing between the suburbs and the city. As pointed out in the video, the missing middle comes from the fact it’s illegal to build midrises in most “residential areas”

TimewornTraveler,

Why dont they lol

someguy3,

I see plenty of apartments in the suburbs. It all has to do with zoning laws.

Ganbat, in Ugly American cites

But Cletus can’t fit his 10-foot-tall, 8-foot-wide, cyclist-crushing, peelout-producing penis replacement in a normal parking garage! Who will think about poor Cletus?

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

Trucks fit in parking garages. If you’re going to project at least be educated and accurate.

magnusrufus,

Dude just admit that you have a truck instead of an identity.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

I wish I had my truck. It’ll be a year until I can afford it!

Ganbat,

🤡

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

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blind3rdeye, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

Yes, cars have gotten bigger. And that’s bad, for a heap of obvious reasons. I guess that means we need to provide stronger push-back. Somehow.

PersnickityPenguin,

CARB needs to be changed to not incentive bigger vehicles.

ramjambamalam,

That dinosaur of a policy has been around almost as long as NAFTA, right? And it hasn’t been updated?

Hazdaz, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

This is far from new. The best selling vehicle in the US has been the F150 for some 30+ years now and the top 5 spots have typically been pickups from GM and Ram/Dodge.

PersnickityPenguin,

Yeah but they’re like twice as big as they were even 15 years ago.

shasta,

All lights are the debil

Hazdaz,

It’s funny you say that because there was someone on Reddit that would argue with people who stated that trucks are a ton bigger than they used to be. Their shtick was that trucks of yore and today are within a fraction of an inch.

WashedOver,
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While I don’t doubt the F150 is a leader in sales, it use to be F-Series trucks which included their commercial truck line and no other manufacturers could make that claim.

galaxies_collide, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

Those blue headlights you hate are cheap aftermarket lights, not the stock lights that come in cars.

Dr_Wu,

No I hate the stock ones too

HubertManne, in Ugly American cites
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I know a lot of folks on cummunities like this who do not like parking infrastructure of any kind. Personally I like efficient garages like this and lots of incentive to keep the cars parked. Also laws to allow condo owners and such to put in a storage pod in the space.

driving_crooner,
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Any parking is too much parking imo. If people know that they are going to get easy parking where they go they are incentiviced to use the car instead of using other more efficient transport methods.

FireRetardant,

Travel time and overall comfort/joy are also big factors in travel habits. Unless in a specifically car free area it seems unreasonable to have 0 parking available. A significant reduction in parking could make parking still far from easy while promoting other methods of travel if they are actually funded and exist in the area.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

I would love to see a car free area of my citiy. The downtown has this great area blocked off by a river on two sides, a lake on one, and an expressway on another. I wish they would close it to any traffic except busses and retail delivery.

Sanctus, in Ugly American cites
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Cars stop scaling at tens of millions in a single city and actually make transit worse. Its stupid to rely on them in the first place.

Jerb322, in Ugly American cites
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Parking garages are not always that safe…

carl_dungeon, in Ugly American cites

I mean, yes.

To be fair, this is kind of a special case- it’s an area where it’s cheaper per square foot to build lots than buildings - but this is also a leftover of the 1960s-1980s. This aren’t done this way as much anymore, at least not in dense areas. You’ll never see this in New York City or in DC for example.

So much of America is so low density that it’s just a different set of issues than in other parts of the world. I went to visit family in West Virginia this weekend and it was literally 2 hours of driving through mountains and woods with no houses or towns in sight- no lots, no decks, no trains, you’re in the middle of nowhere.

paper_clip,
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You’ll never see this in New York City or in DC for example.

There are surface lots in Manhattan, though they are being developed into multistory buildings and no new surface lots are being constructed.

Some of the remaining surface lots probably continue to operate as placeholders for "future tall building site", while rights/price/building codes are being hashed out. In the meantime, you can charge a lot of money for a parking spot in Manhattan.

ShittyRedditWasBetter,

So … exactly what you all want?

_stranger_,

We all get it, this is FuckCars, but you can’t reasonable expect people to have discussions without talking about reality as it is right now. Knowing how much a parking garage costs/is worth on the market is great knowledge when arguing against building more car infrastructure.

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