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thantik, in [meme] Being forced to drive isn't freedom — it's a government-mandated lifetime subscription to oil

Uh. I’d walk, because places this packed with cars typically have a convenience store on every corner block.

This is such a stupid argument, lol

They don’t put roads like this to places with no infrastructure. They put it in places with lots of infrastructure, and they have to – because businesses and people in the area need talent from a wide swath of land to fill out roles in companies, etc.

LayersOfAbstration,

i so wish i thought the koolaid tasted this good

Fried_out_Kombi,
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There are much more efficient ways to move all that talent:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9aae376f-46f9-483f-96f4-7b8bc304f4a5.png

thantik,

The first high-speed rail system began operations in Japan in 1964, and is known as the Shinkansen The busiest high-speed rail service in the world, carrying more than 420,000 passengers on a typical weekday

– but your chart shows 90,000 per hour.

I’m gonna call bullshit. Biased source is still biased.

Kolanaki,
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420,000 a day vs 90,000 an hour.

They would reach 450,000 passengers served in 5 hours.

thantik,

Last I checked, a day isn’t 5 hours long…

Let’s give you a shot here and say they only operate 12 hours out of the day, that means the busiest train in the WORLD only does 35,000 an hour. But the graph is claiming 60-90k per hour.

If I can point out that very OBVIOUS bias/flaw in the chart, what is the reason I should take it seriously at all?

Fried_out_Kombi,
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the busiest train in the WORLD

That’s not the busiest train in the world, though. That’s the busiest HIGH-SPEED RAIL in the world. You’re ignoring all the metro systems and suburban rail lines in the world that serve the massive daily commute market.

Regardless, even the 35k per hour of that rail line is still an order of magnitude higher than cars on roads. Cars, no matter how you slice it, are wildly space-inefficient.

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  • chameleon,
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    You're comparing maximum capacity to actual usage... weekday peak hours are like 80% of weekly passengers on most functional rail systems. Very common for the rest of the hours to run half schedules or smaller carriages because it's simply not necessary, but the network can handle it if required.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
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    The chart isn’t about high-speed rail. High-speed lines often actually have lower capacity than lower-speed rail. For one, many suburban trains are bilevel, which can almost double the capacity per train, whereas high-speed lines often aren’t bilevel. Further, the higher speed doesn’t actually mean you can move more passengers per direction per hour; you’re still limited by how frequently you can run trains, as you need safe stopping distance between each train. Thus, high-speed rail can run faster, but it also needs much more space between trains. Typically the highest frequency train/metro routes can run trains every minute or two. A 2000-person capacity train every 2 minutes is equivalent to 60k passengers per direction per hour.

    Kolanaki,
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    You ain’t walking it if there is a freeway between you and the store. Even in large cities, walkways that cross major highways are rare.

    Perfect example right here where I am. The nearest Del Taco is within a walkable distance; but it’s on the otherside of the freeway. There is no walkable crossing to get over there. I have to drive, despite it being hella stupidly close.

    thantik,

    Nobody said you have to walk across the freeway. In places like this there are plenty of stores on your side without having to walk far.

    grue,

    Our cities are so malformed by exclusionary zoning that there often really aren’t.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Have you never heard of food deserts?

    photonic_sorcerer,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    People like you should spend some quality time in a walkable city. I think you’d find a lot thaf you like!

    zxkhngjh, in Yes, it's the ebikes that are the problem. . .

    I don’t think you watched the video.

    dadarobot,
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    I think the title was written sarcastically.

    jimbo, in Why does everyone shit on bycicles but never on cars???

    “Why does this trend I’m talking about not exist?”

    Varyk, (edited ) in [discussion] transit oriented development vs 15 minute city

    Just to add a supplemental anecdote to humanius’ great explanation of the two, an example of transit oriented development turning into 15 minute cities is many large Chinese cities, where the metro map has rapidly expanded each year and each new metro stop will very quickly develop restaurants, department stores, parks, municipal sevices and residential areas all within a 15 minute walk.

    It’s pretty amazing to get off a metro stop anywhere in Beijing and walk around a completely serviced town or neighborhood with a distinct personality.

    ZC3rr0r, in DOJ sues eBay for selling ‘rolling coal’ devices; fines could hit $2 billion [article]

    Coal rolling is the stupidest shit ever in terms of car modifications. You’re spending money to modify a vehicle so it will make less power, pollute more, and have reduced longevity.

    There is no upside unless you’re a massive asshole who likes to smoke screen bystanders, at which point you should be charged for assault with a deadly weapon.

    Not only should eBay work harder to stop these mods being sold on their platform, people that roll coal should have their licenses suspended. And yes, they ought to be charged if they ever pull a stunt next to other road users.

    gnuplusmatt, (edited ) in and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

    I drive an EV (not a tesla) and I agree. I have it primarily because its cheaper to run… My ancient previous car didn’t owe me anything, I ran it into the ground.

    Not_Alec_Baldwin,

    Yep, I got an EV purely for the savings.

    Haywire, in ‘People are happier in a walkable neighborhood’: the US community that banned cars

    I would live there if I could afford it.

    ShittyRedditWasBetter, in and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

    You’re going to see a pivot in ICE vehicles. Full EVs are a pain in the ass for most and have too many issues. PHEV are what will become popular for folks with money over the next 5-10 years.

    cynar,

    The issues are only with cheaper vehicles. If you’ve money to burn, then there are EVs now with both the range and performance to suit the middle class rich. Super charging stations of various types mean you can pump power in at a rate almost comparable to a petrol station.

    PHEV will have their niche for a while, but that will shrink rapidly.

    ShittyRedditWasBetter, (edited )

    Infrastructure isn’t there, and if you don’t own a home on 240v its even more expensive. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to pull up and wait 30 extra minutes on top of my charge time if a charger isn’t free. PHEV will get most folks around on zero or very little gas and you leave behind any range anxiety or worries about finding a charger every single night. It’s doable on 120v breakers as well. Most the peers I know in the upper middle class range are all eyeing up PHEV and have little reason to go full EV. Hell, I’m going to buy an f150 and the only time I’ll need to fill it is because the gas is going to go stale or I’m towing.

    Cryophilia,

    There’s a F150 PHEV??

    ShittyRedditWasBetter,

    Yes.

    Hikermick, in Swap these please

    I think that’s to protect the person on the scooter from the people in the trucks

    dQw4w9WgXcQ, in Swap these please

    Considering these kind of stats, you’d be terrified to see the mass and force of subways and trains which also go through cities.

    anthoniix, in Pickup Trucks: from Workhorse to Joyride

    We need to ban these vehicles

    NarrativeBear, in [Article] Speed limit proposed for active transportation routes

    City’s should look at what the Finnish people are doing, IMO they seem to do it very well. Here is a great video for anyone interested in cycling pathways and how much thought goes into them.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

    Everythingispenguins, in you are welcome

    Who says they weren’t? You should see when they don’t drive carefully.

    Carter, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?

    What’s a streetcar? A tram?

    lemann,

    Yepppp

    Steve,
    @Steve@communick.news avatar

    Think electric busses, on rail tracks imbedded in the street.

    Carter,

    Yeap that’s a tram.

    karpintero, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?

    Traffic, pollution, and the cost of owning a vehicle wouldn’t be such big factors in day-to-day life. I’m sometimes floored at average commute times, it adds up to years of your life spent sitting in traffic. Not to mention car accidents.

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