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thantik, in Should loud cars be banned?

No, because there aren’t any businesses which pay a livable wage within walking distance of 98% of Americans. yay logic!

Xylight,
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So let’s make it so that cities are easily traversable without cars!

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

And in 80 years we might get the report from the committee about the proposal to create a committee to study the feasibility of possibly allowing four story homes.

Oh, wait, no, some NIMBY killed it.

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

…and that means you need to use trucks 3x the size of a normal car, with double the noise output, half the efficiency and four blindspots the size of a child?

Mozingo,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

They’re agreeing with y’all tho?

“Yay logic!” means they think it’s dumb logic.

kadu,
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It would be weird for their point to be ironic, because the sentence isn’t actually wrong - the US is not designed around walkable neighborhoods.

Mozingo,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly their point though? The people who argue for cars argue that they’re necessary because US cities aren’t walkable, while conveniently ignoring that that’s entirely due to the auto industry and that making cities more walkable is still an option. They’re pointing out how fucked that logic is.

If that’s not what they’re saying, then they’re a terrible communicator as well as an idiot.

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve taken the “yay logic!” after their period as to mean “all of what I’ve just wrote is a criticism of the lack of logic inherent to this point”.

I’ve simply taken it as a reply to OP: “this explanation I’ve just given is how things work, yay logic! (as opposed to your post, OP)”

Which interpretation is correct? Only they know. Either way, not worth diving deeper into this chain.

EDIT: Just look at the guy’s comment history. My interpretation is correct, he truly believes what he just wrote, he was arguing for it - not against it.

Mozingo,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Ugh, that’s what I get for having faith in people

LibertyLizard,
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True but this really has little to do with the excessive noise issues. Really easy to build quieter cars, we just let assholes choose how loud they want to be and the results are predictable.

NotAPenguin, in and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

And they shed even more microplastics into the environment because they're heavier so the tires wear down faster :(

drewdarko, (edited )

This is an obvious bad faith argument.

“Let’s keep burning fossil fuels as we go extinct from climate change cause I’m worried about the 0.00001% micro plastics that MIGHT be shed from an EV”

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

That strawman is the bad faith argument. They never said they want to keep burning fossil fuels.

Cryophilia,

No, they just heavily implied it lol

The whole point of the microplastics/lithium/whatever else argument is to muddy the water and make people confused about just how much better EVs are than ICE vehicles. It’s the only reason it’s even a thing that people talk about. It’s exclusively bad faith, because it was designed that way by fossil fuel interests.

Kecessa,

There’s no might, tires shed microplastic particles and EVs wear out their tires faster, that’s two facts.

NotAPenguin,

I did not say that, lol.

Elivey,

Uhh, you say .00001% that MIGHT? I think you mean: nearly twice as much because EV’s go through tires nearly twice as fast, and ABSOLUTELY ARE. Microplastics are shed from tires, I don’t know what makes you think they aren’t. All that tire tread that is now gone on your tires when they go “bald” didn’t just disappear, they shed into the air and the rain washes them down into streams.

Also fun fact, EV tire particles are even more toxic than regular tires. And regular tire particles are already one of the most toxic microplastics studied.

I work in a nano particle toxicology lab that has a pretty big focus on micro and nanoplaatics.

Cryophilia,

Respectfully, no one gives a fuck. Greenhouse gases are so much more important than microplastics, it’s not even a comparison.

drkt, in and no this is not an invitation for oil addicts to rant about EVs

Electric cars driving up the price of lithium 400% thanks elon can’t even afford last-mile transportation anymore

HardlightCereal, in [image] I've seen this a lot online lately, this notion that cars are the *only* solution for *all* disabilities. I wasn't aware of a term for it, so I made my own.

I have autism and can’t see shit right. It’s not safe for me to drive a car. I’m perfectly fine on a bike and I grew up on public transit.

RootBeerGuy, in When a parking space is "magnificent"... nothing is.
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Rookie mistake, renting it out would be much more profitable.

NarrativeBear, (edited ) in Real Estate/City Staff want 6 storey apartment buildings in more Toronto neighbourhoods but will developers build them?

Developments like this can spur the need for more transit options around cities, such as Trams/LRTs and trains. It can also keep business in the city and inside your neighborhood and make a city more walkable and enjoyable. Ultimately less car dependent.

The hard part for cities is to implement this well. Currently almost all new buildings in north america prioritize 1 and 2 bedroom units. Trying to find a well priced 3 or 4 bedroom in a “lively” downtown center, close to transit and work, with plenty of schooling in the area is almost impossible.

Here’s another good article talking about why developers don’t provide adequate family units.

centerforbuilding.org/…/we-we-cant-build-family-s…

If this same building technique was implemented in north america, together with rethinking zoning requirements it could push developers to create these “missing middle” communities.

marine_mustang, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?

I’ve always read that freeways are too steep and turns too sharp for rail, but Brightline says newer European trains are light and powerful enough to make it up the Cajon Pass in the median of the 15, so let’s stop screwing around with a single track for trains in the median. Just take the leftmost lane in each direction. Most of the cost is right-of-way acquisition; let’s use the one we already have. It’ll be better than nothing.

biddy,

The interstate standard max grade is 6% and that’s only used when there’s no other option over mountains. The limit for standard passenger trains seems yo be 4-5%. So it’s not that different, the vast majority of the interstate corridor could support passenger trains. Not freight trains through, those need a much gentler grade.

The US has essentially built a railway network with the interstates, it’s just paved over and less efficient.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Also for the extreme cases, don’t forget cog railways. The steepest one is Pilatus railway with maximum gradient of 48%. Good luck trying something like that with a car.

ThatWeirdGuy1001, in Ugly American cites
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I’d be much more open to the idea if it wasn’t for the fact that every parking garage I’ve ever been you’ve had to pay by the hour for the space.

skellener, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
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🤮

MartinXYZ, in Hydrogen vehicles in Denmark left without fuel as all commercial refuelling stations shuttered

I’m from Denmark and I’ve never even heard there were Hydrogen cars around here.

Edit: but then again, I don’t drive a car, so maybe Im just not the target audience.

MartinXYZ, in Tier list

How is a moped better than a tram?

Edit: I mean for the environment, I’m sure mopeds are better than trams in other ways - like for doing tricks and making quick runs to the supermarket to get bread and milk

SomeRandomWords,

I read that as an electric bike originally but now I wonder if you’re right. Mopeds are definitely better than cars but I doubt they’re better than trams.

MartinXYZ,

I wouldn’t say Mopeds are “definitely better” than cars. Theyre only designed to carry one or two people.Their engines generally aren’t as efficient as those in cars. A moped carrying one person is definitely better than a car with only one person in it, but if the car is full, then it might be the better choice.

Transcriptionist, (edited ) in Tier list

Image Transcription:

A sticker attached to a pole with a QR code in the top right corner. Down the left side are the letters A to G on coloured tags with arrow-angled right ends, and under G a black coloured tag with HELL written on it, in the style of the European Union’s energy efficiency labels found on appliances. Each tag ranges in colour from dark green to red and increases in size the further down it goes. Each arrow end indicates a different silhouette.

The A tag is dark green and very short, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a walking stick figure.

The B tag is a slightly lighter green than A and slightly longer, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a bicycle.

The C tag is light green and slightly longer than B, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an moped.

The D tag is yellow and slightly longer than C, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a subway train.

The E tag is orange and slightly longer than D, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a car.

The F tag is orange-red and slightly longer than E, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a yacht.

The G tag is red and the length increase from F is almost triple that of previous length increases, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an airplane.

The HELL tag is black and longer than G, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a tank.

[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

okamiueru,

The only subtle detailed you missed, which is not surprise, is that Sweden and Norway (not sure which if the other skandies, maybe this is a EU thing, hm) use those letters, with those colors, and those arrows to indicate energy efficiency rating. So, it could be a nudge at the relationship between reducing emissions or suffer consequences of global warming, which will eventually lead to famine and war.

orrk,

all the EU does, it is a standardized EU thing

Transcriptionist,

Thank you for the correction! I’ve edited my comment. This was a particularly difficult one for me, so I really appreciate the information 💜

Iron_Lynx, (edited )

So some errors:

  • the C tag points to a silhouette of a moped, not an e-bike.
  • the D tag points to the silhouette of a subway train, not a bus. You can tell by the wheel sets.
  • most egregiously, the F tag points to the silhouette of a yacht

EDIT: As pointed out in one comment, it’s the F tag pointing to a yacht, not the G tag. I corrected the post.

EDIT2: Our transcriber has updated their post to reflect the changes. Well done good person! 👍

JudahBenHur,

i saw e-bike with C. I think one could see either

Deme,
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G definitely points to a jet. A private jet to be more specific.

Iron_Lynx,

… good point, I’ll correct it. The one pointing to a yacht is definitely not pointing to a train car, that was the point.

Transcriptionist,

My bad! I had a lot of trouble with this one, I’ll admit. Thank you so much for the information, I’ve edited my comment. 💜

bastian_5, in [video] It's time to replace urban delivery vans | Vox

I think delivery trucks are probably still the better option for most packages when they are properly utilized, which they obviously aren’t being if the statistics given are accurate. It’s mass transit for packages. The ineffecciencies probably just come from the overarching problem of there being too many cars on the road. Without that, it becomes a lot more efficient to transport hundreds of packages at once in one truck than have dozens of bikes carry the same load, especially over an entire city. Anything that does need to be delivered quickly should be done by bike, but with proper logistics, delivery trucks actually are more space efficient.

Fried_out_Kombi,
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I’d also honestly love to see cargo trams like this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4ef141d1-3bc4-4f77-b788-bb09de5395d4.png

If we had waaaay fewer cars and if we restored the dense streetcar networks of yore, this could be a feasible option for delivering goods to larger stores (e.g., grocery stores) and to neighborhood cargo hubs, where people could pick up packages directly, or neighborhood electric delivery vehicles and cargo bikes could deliver to the local neighborhood from.

The fact they’re on rails means they’re vastly more predictable in their movement (safer for pedestrians and cyclists), and the fact they have overhead wires means no diesel and no batteries.

VicentAdultman,

Yes. Some solutions here are engine bad, human body good. My city delivered bikes to people that used carriage for transporting recycling material. If it wasn’t the city hall incentive and extra money in order to the change to be made, these people would starve themselves. They need to make physical effort all around town gathering materials and be in a position that they wouldn’t be able to carry the weight if they had a carriage. Thankfully, some mayor had good intentions with the people and the horses. Now take that into picture with how > distribution centers work, how much online shopping a town makes and how much a person would need to ride and carry weight, with sun, rain, etc. Just insane, dude.

JohnDClay, in [blog] Stay alive and enjoy the ride: Imposing 20mph speed limits to protect lives – time for furious drivers to embrace reality

Fine where alternatives are available. But this also would slow down busses, right?

coyootje,

We have this speed limit in the Netherlands, mostly in areas with housing. It doesn’t really affect busses because they stay on the bigger roads that are 50 kmh (about 31 mph). In my opinion it’s fine to drive 20 mph on the more local roads, as long as there are collector roads where you can go a bit faster.

astraeus, in E-bikes are kicking ass and taking names
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Is there an e-bike megathread or recommendations in the community, or adjacent communities for that matter? I would love to find a good commuter bike

Num10ck,
yessikg,
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The best thing I can recommend is that you go to your local bike shop and test drive some models

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