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partial_accumen, in Countries Eye Weight Tax To Counter Public Safety Threat Of Extremely Heavy, Large EVs

Garbage article. Completely manufactured conclusions on the article’s author not even supported by they “supporting” links. I read 3 of the “supporting” are articles and one is straight up an opinion piece, and the other supposed sources contradict the techdirt article suggesting EVs are getting singled out. Its the opposite, heavy vehicles in general, and EVs are actually getting a pass in some cases. In one case the author claims EVs are getting extra scrutiny and the very next line shows that its nothing specifically about EVs, but all heavy vehicles regardless of how they’re powered.

Don’t waste your time on this one.

s38b35M5,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

You’re pretty angry about a piece that shares a few facts and opines that governments typically don’t do anything meaningful until people start dying.

partial_accumen,

Nah, not angry. Its presented as a news article presenting factual evidence. Not only doesn’t it present facts, its own sources contradict the author’s conclusions.

Its a waste of time to consume it.

until people start dying.

…and you’re doing the same thing. Heavy vehicles aren’t new. Vehicle design isn’t new. The outrage presented in the article, and your incendiary statement, have existed for decades. Why are you only now outraged?

s38b35M5,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not outraged.

Your quote of me is a simplification of the excerpt the OP provided (the corpses pile up line). But if I were outraged (I’m not), my comment about your emotional denouncing of the article doesn’t magically become the starting point for your imagined outrage.

I read the article. I read techdirt often for their good sourcing and no pulled punches. I fail to see how using other articles for a source is a problem, especially when the source is supporting a claim like, “pointy cars.”

There were other sources for the facts of the article, like the NSC for fatality data.

partial_accumen,

I fail to see how using other articles for a source is a problem,

One of the sources is someone’s unsubstantiated opinion. Its fine for someone to write an opinion piece, but the techdirt article’s author is citing the opinion piece as fact. Other sources completely contradict the techdirt author’s statements where techdirt cites the other source as where that wrong statement came from. After checking 3 sources and finding problems with all three I gave up. The article and the author have zero credibility.

You’re welcome to keep reading that author’s work, just don’t make the same mistake the author makes and passing the article off as credible.

Gigan, in Tier list
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

This makes cars look to good.

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

The gap between trains and cars should be really wide.

someguy3, in Uber was supposed to help traffic. It didn’t. Robotaxis will be even worse

Of course Uber wouldn’t help traffic.

Robotaxis? Probably not. But autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group? Yes that will help. Then induced demand and all that, but it will increase capacity.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Robust public transportation will help a lot more. But go ahead and argue with the MIT scientists who wrote this article if you like. Their research seems to show you’re wrong.

CaptainEffort,

He literally agrees that they won’t magically help with traffic, what’re you talking about?

Aidinthel,

autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group

Is it time to reinvent the train again already?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but wireless. And I think you mean horse.

Tvkan,

We’ve seen time and time again that increased capacity doesn’t actually help traffic.

Capacity just isn’t the issue.

STUPIDVIPGUY, in this is all

Now consider an electric bus

aeharding,
@aeharding@lemmy.world avatar

Now consider a trolley.

ChillPill,
@ChillPill@lemmy.world avatar

Are there multiple tracks?

WackyTabbacy42069,

Well, there’s two. Only problem is the often obstructions and questionable breaking system

diocan, in Cars are getting out of Hand

Last line really tells everything I need to know

CheeseNoodle,

Honestly cycling on the road is tantamount to deliberate suicide in a lot of places.

Telodzrum, in Cars are getting out of Hand

So, are you upset that bicycles are being held to the traffic code sections that explicitly apply to them? Because it sounds like you’re one of those people who gives bike riders who know how to operate in pedestrian areas a bad name.

solivine,
@solivine@lemmy.world avatar

The way they described the stop sign isn’t how stop signs are meant to work

RatoGBM,

I drive on the sidewalk and behave like a pedestrian. I probably should have known about the traffic codes you are talking about, but this has nothing to do with bikes, he shows it to everybody including other people who are trying to cross. What concerns me them most, is that those traffic guards, break the habit of actually seeing if there are cars around, meaning I am actually less safe when they aren’t there.

ThrowawayPermanente,

Fair enough, I guess I’ll just buy a car

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

You know OP’s behavior is allowed in many areas, right? Don’t assume your local laws are universal.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I often ride my bicycle on the sidewalk around here, but I do so carefully and always give priority to pedestrians (of which there are few where I am to begin with, but I’ll get off the sidewalk for them). Legality be damned; this is the only way to not be flatted by some asshat in an SUV in some places. For instance, overpasses here have no shoulder at all but sometimes there is a sidewalk, and if you’re lucky there may even be a guard rail separating it from the car lanes where everyone is doing 60+ in a 35 zone with impunity.

systemglitch, in this is all

And six times as long as best.

cleverusername,

Exactly!

70mins of walking/train/walking… Or 25mins door to door in the comfort of my car.

systemglitch,

With the added bonus of storage space for all sorts of things!

zephyreks,

In London?

Gabu,

In civilized places, buses take about as long as a car, as they’re prioritized in infrastructure. The added benefit is that you don’t even need to own a 2 ton death machine.

systemglitch,

Not the case where I live. What is a ten minute drive quite literally takes the bus 50 to 80 minutes.

I can’t justify that much wasted time both ways. That’s about two hours of my day I could be spending doing anything but riding the bus.

teuast,

That’s not an argument against mass transit as much as it’s an argument against building car-centric infrastructure.

systemglitch,

Fair, but it is the reality a lot of people live with. I would love for us to have a Netherlands approach to biking, but we don’t. And we have brutally cold winters, where waiting for a bus is made even more undesirable, and biking less of an option because of how treacherous the snow makes everything (including driving).

To me it seems more like a pleasant fantasy than a realistic expectation. For other places I’m sure it is an attainable reality.

It’s all about location.

teuast,

I don’t think you’ll meet a transit/urbanism advocate who will tell you to ride transit that doesn’t exist where you are or that is wildly impractical for you. I certainly won’t. For me, it’s more about doing what makes the most sense for you, while also pushing to change the infrastructure where you are to make transit and urbanism better and more feasible for more people.

systemglitch,

I have written my council pushing for changes to existing biking laws to make it safer in my city. So you’re rightz we have to push for what we need. Nothing changes if we don’t voice our concerns.

teuast,

Agreed. Seems we’re largely on the same page, then.

systemglitch,

It’s often the way of things, which a comment or two isn’t able to portray. Have a great day :)

Gabu,

Local climate really isn’t a reason to avoid public transportation infrastructure, as you have VERY hot and humid places (São Paulo, Brazil during summer) and very cold places (Netherlands during winter) with perfectly functional services. It’s all about HOW said infrastructure is deployed and cared for.

systemglitch,

Netherlands is quite warm from my perspective and a poor comparison to the extremely harsh winters we experience.

Thier average winter temperature is our late fall and early spring temp (November and March). The months of December, January and March are more comparable to Siberia.

cleverusername,

Fuck off with your condensed bullshit, not everyone lives in cities, not everyone wants to live in cities.

Gabu,

Yes, the people who don’t want to live in cities are called “clinically insane”.

cleverusername,

Where do you think your food comes from?

Gabu,

Where do you think all of your tech gets made?

cleverusername,

Where do you think all the resources those factories consume come from?

Cut the crap and stop acting like city life is the only way to live.

Gabu,

Where do you think all the resources those factories consume come from?

Mostly automated exploration of soil.

Gabu,

Let me guess, you’re a 'murican?

systemglitch,

Nice assumption you wrongly made.

Peddlephile, in ask patrick

I like the concept of 15 minute cities/suburbs. You can get anywhere you need within 15 minutes, whether by public transport, bike, walking or car.

garden_boi,

Isn’t the point of a 15 minute city that you can get anywhere within 15 minutes without a car?

(By the way, from a European standpoint it sounds really funny that 15 minute cities are not a reality for you. Like, why would you ever build a city differently in the first place?)

SCB,

It’s pretty disingenuous to claim that your city founded in 1300 has tight streets and isn’t car-friendly because people in 1300 were really big on public transport.

And the answer is that cities grow descriptively rather than prescriptively. They generally add what is in demand/what they need piecemeal, and most US cities really grew in the 20th century.

That’s why NYC, for example, has significantly better public transport than most of the nation - it’s one of the oldest cities

This is also why moving to mass transit is a hard sell. It’s expensive and there is less demonstrated need and more forethought behind the switchover.

thepianistfroggollum,

Not to mention that the US has far, far more land than Europe. It’s hard for many to imagine having to drive 3 hours just to get to a major city.

Airport_Bar, (edited )

There’s an few distinctions about American culture as it relates to car culture.

  • America had/has a lot of land
  • Much of this is/was vastly underdeveloped right outside of urban hubs, unlike Europe/related which benefits from a tighter interconnected network of cities that more immediately benefit from mass transit systems
  • In the US post-WWII middle class and privileged were often sold an idea of peaceful suburban lifestyles away from urbanized areas
  • Car manufacturers marketed this successfully as a way to encourage families away from city life and thus build a more solid reliance on their vehicles
  • City planning was therefore often built around a suburban-city sprawl rather than a cohesive urban community designed around efficiency
Peddlephile,

Like, why would you ever build a city differently in the first place?

Exactly. Unfortunately, in Australia, we tend to borrow stupid ideas from the US to make money and have sprawling suburbs with zero amenity.

For instance, we had a new suburbian development within 20km from the CBD with the promise of schools, community centres etc. in the early 2000s. When all the houses were bought and built, suddenly there’s no money for amenities so they just sold the land to developers who then put more houses in. Now the only way to get anything you need is by car because there’s no train or buses because it was supposed to be accessible by bike/walking but now isn’t. And not to mention gridlock of vehicles looking to get out of the suburbs for food etc. out of the one intersection provided.

I would love 15min cities without cars for my country but the attitude to cars here is similar to the attitude about guns in the US.

callouscomic, in [meme] How would you rather see this land developed?

The island on the right probably isn’t as hot either.

GentlemanLoser, in You're so close ...

He knows, this shit is intentional because he thinks it’s funny that he’s getting paid to make a mockery of public transit

lntl, in You're so close ...

but imagine how many more could be moved if they added another lane

whoisearth, in [meme] How would you rather see this land developed?

Have you not heard of mixed density? There should be houses, semi, townhomes, 3 story walk-ups and apartment buildings. You could probably do all that and still keep 50% of the island nature.

Supervisor194, (edited )
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

Not only this, but in the second picture, that other 96% is ripe for rezoning - money men will not stop until they buy off enough politicians to develop it into something resembling the first picture.

Edit: I’m not saying I like it, I’m just stating facts.

potoo22, (edited )

The shores become resort property. The rest becomes a mini-mall. The resort buys the apartment complex a year later. With any houses, all houses get bought by cooperations and rented out as overpriced Airbnb houses. Fuck we can’t have anything nice with unfettered capitalism.

Edit: Sorry, off-topic rant.

Cryophilia,

We must save the natural beauty of this island from being destroyed by developers!

How??

By destroying it ourselves first!!

Iamdanno, in [meme] How would you rather see this land developed?

You do know that individual houses can also have trees, right? Why are you ignoring that?

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

Having trees != ecosystem. The mere presence of tons of roads, buildings, and infrastructure (not to mention monocultured grass lawns, pesticides, herbicides, etc.) is super disruptive to ecosystems. If our cities needlessly sprawl all over the place, we’re forced to drive more, pollute more, spend more (all that infrastructure and cars are super expensive!), and our built environment disrupts much more actual ecosystems.

Iamdanno,

True, but having them is still better than not, and it’s bad faith to pretend like it doesn’t matter.

WhoRoger, in [meme] How would you rather see this land developed?
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

I live in a flat and it sucks. I’ll probably move to living in a car eventually.

const_void, in 2 bicycle riders hit by suspected impaired driver in Lenexa

At least they didn’t title it as “Bicycle collides with vehicle” this time

3laws,

Murderous cyclists try to run over disabled innocent driving a 1.5 ton metal machine.

instamat,

Were the cyclists “woke?” Is this how “woke” works??

austin,

By putting bicycle at the start of the news article, it makes the topic about bike riders instead of the topic being about bad driving.

See the impression titles give, just by the ordering of the words:

“Bicycle riders hit by car” - cycling is dangerous and don’t belong on the road

“Car hits bicycle riders” - how sad, poor cyclists, irresponsible driver

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