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aard, in Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets
@aard@kyu.de avatar

I just googled that, assuming it must be something from the 50s or maybe 60s - but 2008? What the fuck is wrong with you guys over there?

Serisar,

I mean, it is tempting if you are a soulless politician that only thinks as far as the next reelection. In 2008 the economy and therefore city finances were just a tiny bit under the weather. If you are then able to pull a deal that nets the city over a billion dollars, that’s great. You won’t be there to see the repercussions and you bolstered the balancesheet for a year, what’s not to like? /s

Pappabosley, in The dream 🚲

This needed a trigger warning, I’m having heart palpitations 😵‍💫

lobut, in The dream 🚲

I know it’s almost impossible but I’d be taking the bike out so much more often if I knew I could leave it somewhere and it’d still be there when I got back.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Same, and mine is not even close to this price range. I heard Japan is like that as well. If you have any semblance of protection, like tying it up with rope, no one will touch it, ever. Must be nice living in civilized world.

Rooskie91,

Crazy how when you design a society around meeting people’s basic needs, petty theft almost disappears.

Bronzie,

I wish.

Had several bikes stolen in Norway.
My E-bike gets zero use in the city. Too many thieves.

Outside the cities it’s usually not a problem though.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I think in big part it’s due to culture.

rustyricotta,

Absolutely this. The only times I take my bike out is when I know I’ll never have to leave it. Which basically excludes using it for transportation purposes, and leaves only cycling just to cycle (which I do still enjoy).

Just too high of a chance for it to get stolen (completely or just parts), or vandalized. It’s not even that great of a bike either.

I have a friend who “solved” this problem by having such a junker of a bike that it didn’t even look like it functioned.

lemann,

Check if there are any facilities in your area for secure bike storage, my nearby city for example offers free staffed bike parking and a free bus to get around. The inter city train station offers 20/7 keycard access bike parking with changing facilities, but that requires a deposit, proof of address etc.

I usually end up using one of these two facilities when I visit the city because of the rampant bike theft issues there, with the preferred one being the inter city station since it’s open almost all the time

There was even a docked e-bike hire offered by the local govt, which sadly went bankrupt because people were vandalising the e-bikes and destroying the docks ☹️

irotsoma,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the only reason I don’t own a bike. They get stolen even when locked up in the daytime with a good lock. Bolt cutters are quick.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

if you’re not destitute you can pull the dutch gambit: use a shitty rustbucket bike that you give precisely 0 fucks about being stolen

Rokin, in Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets

At least this is a lession for other cities

hashferret, in Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets

Don’t miss standupmaths side of this collab. Caught both on premier but the poking fun at climate town’s video style is hilarious.

wishfish,

The whip cut with Matt turned the wrong way was chef’s kiss perfect.

MNByChoice, (edited ) in The dream 🚲

$1,500 bike blocking access to the coffee shop window and the beer kegs.

Edit: I have been corrected, the bike is $15K. Thanks u/pacoboyd!

pacoboyd,
Copernican,

Yeah, I was thinking this was a mispost and the intended community was supposed to be “fuckbikes” since this ahole is blocking a to go order window that patrons will use.

pdxfed, in Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets

Matt Taibbi piece that ops video probably pulled from. For those to whom this is news, don’t pay yourself on the back, municipalities and states all over are doing this and have been for a while: rollingstone.com/…/exclusive-excerpt-america-on-s…

If you like the piece, Taibbi was one of the few who dug into and wrote about the great bailouts and all the scamming of American public at behest of lobbyists, the powerful and the “elected”. He’s got lots of other good work.

chuckleslord,

Nothing mentioned in the sources about this being a source. Not cited. I don’t think this video was pulled from that. Sorry, nothing against the piece (never read it), but this is definitely Climate Town’s bread and butter. It’s just what they do.

pdxfed,

The author of the article I linked literally won a national magazine award as an investigative journalist in 2008 for several pieces he wrote, that includes what happened to chicago’s streets, which he then went on to publish in a book Griftopia and several others. Video is an important format but your video has youtube folks that care about a subject talking about well documented issues, that people like Matt Taibbi helped unearth. As long as people learn about it that’s fine, but just becuase a youtube channel who brings on an expert “matt from matt’s youtube channel” doesn’t mean it’s the same quality.

FooBarrington,

I’m not sure what you’re on about. Just because the guy won awards you think the video must have used his stuff as a source, even though the videos sources don’t list it? www.climatetownproductions.com/chicago-meters

chuckleslord,

I’m sorry, this is probably my neurodivergence speaking, but that’s not evidence that Climate Town pulled from that book.

Listen, it’s not even relevant, because it’s not even the intent of your original comment. That could just be like, “Hey guys, if you think that’s crazy, you should check out this book that goes into this happening not only in Chicago but across the entire United States.” But you’re insistence that that book IS the source is just completely throwing me. Why? I guess I don’t understand why the need to exaggerate the connection between the two. They both cover the same topic, that was all the in you needed to plug that book/article.

And your reply comment is an appeal to originality and an appeal to quality. It’s fallacious and irrelevant to my point. And kind of disappointing that you’re disparaging good content to make your thing look better.

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

There are timestamped sources in a link in the description.

Warfle99,

He kind of went off the deep end with the twitter files though about hunters laptop

yardy_sardley, in Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets

That brick wall gag was incredible. Matt Parker & Rollie Williams as a duo is too powerful

MargotRobbie, in The dream 🚲
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I’m pretty sure it’s because Singapore has security cameras pointing everywhere. Also, caning is a big deterrent to theft.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Yeah, we just need less privacy, more fascism, and more brutal cops.

vsh,

Singapore is a police state. Far away from fascism though, they do it for security.

DragonTypeWyvern,

That’s what fascists literally always say.

vsh,

Can’t disagree. But when we’re talking about Singapore we must see their bigger picture. If they want to stay utopian they must keep their values

yetAnotherUser,

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This implies they’re a utopia and not a rich-people-only dystopia.

Is the bigger picture murdering people consuming cannabis?

vsh,

This is why Singapore is the safest country in the world. You can leave your laptop overnight on a bench and pick it up tomorrow. The death penalty for drugs is a worthy sacrifice considering the extremely positive societal outcome.

Rich people or not, it doesn’t matter. Both rich and poor abuse drugs. Following this logic US would be the poorest country with 1% ultra rich utopian-like people as well.

Also cannabis is a legal drug in only 10 countries worldwide. It’s not universally approved and won’t be any time soon.

yetAnotherUser,

Murder is acceptable if petty thefts are reduced? So the worth of a human life is roughly $200 - $2000, or the worth of a laptop?

If the only way to stop petty thefts is murder, petty theft cannot be prevented ethically.

vsh,

It’s about sending a message

yetAnotherUser,

Sending the message that money is more important than the lives of people, alright.

I’m happy to live in a country where this kind of ““justice”” system is impossible to implement legally.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The death penalty for drugs is a worthy sacrifice considering the extremely positive societal outcome.

“It’s good that we kill someone for smoking a joint because no one stole my laptop!” You have fucked up priorities.

vsh,

I’d rather have my laptop than a literal drug

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And the only way you can have your laptop is by murdering someone for smoking a joint? Are you sure?

vsh,

Yup. Either that or a quarter. Look at countries that don’t have these laws. Gangs are EVERYWHERE

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Virtually every country on Earth except Singapore doesn’t execute people for such spurious reasons. Do you think Finland is a crime-ridden hellhole?

vsh,

Finland? Hahaha funny joke. Never heard of it. In fact I don’t even believe they are on a map, are they? Doesn’t matter. Eurofucks can suck me off

SchizoDenji,

I don’t understand how you’ve equated security cameras in a PUBLIC PLACE as “less privacy”.

What do you want privacy for in a public place?

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

ah yes, you have “Nothing to hide” i presume?

SchizoDenji,

No dude, I have plenty to hide. Just nothing that I do in a public place though. Wonder when was the last time you were at one of them.

mulcahey,

I don’t think the issue is “I want to do illegal things in public without consequence.” It’s more, “I don’t trust the mechanisms of enforcement to use this power justly.”

For example: Radio City Music Hall used facial recognition tech to identify and ban a lawyer whose firm was suing them. She wasn’t even working the case. RCMH just issued a blanket ban. It’s abusive.

And there are other risks. Stalking is a huge one. (Some creep takes your pic at the supermarket and now you spend a year of your life getting creepy messages and feeling unsafe everywhere you go.) Or there’s the risk that people who participate in lawful protest will face retribution or punishment by corrupt law enforcement.

Kashmir Hill has a great book out about this now. You can read an interview with her here.

Cringe2793,

Have you seen China? Singapore is fast moving that way.

calavera,

If they have facial tracking then they can basically keep track of everywhere you go

portifornia, in The dream 🚲

How TF is that bike (or any) $15k?!? Does it come with a bike path concierge on every trip?

Maalus,

How TF are lamborghinis so expensive? A car is a car after all

CADmonkey,

But… a Lamborghini is a tractor.

Mr_Blott,

So is an Aston Martin if you look up why they’re called “DB”

Mr_Blott,

Was in a bike shop the other day and they were selling a wheel for €1.2k. Didn’t even come with the axle or the tyre

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

at that point it really just feels like being expensive for the sake of being expensive, so that rich twats can show off how rich they are

SmoothIsFast,

It’s more that you are seeing the f1 equivalent in bikes. They are redesigning these chasis, wheels, etc every year for competitive advantage. Add in all the customizations, being hand made, and using very expensive materials and you get very high prices. It’s easier to see the jump in cost because we can actually see those differences in price more readily from the $100 Wal-Mart bike to the 15k bike. How many times do you compare a basic econobox car to an F1 car? That would be insane, one is about utility the other is about pushing performance at all costs for competitive advantage.

floofloof,

I met a guy at a party who said he was into cycling. I told him I used to like cycling but my bike is so broken the repair tech said I should cut my losses and get a new one. He started giving me advice about what wheels and tires to put on my new bike. I asked him how much they would cost and he said they weren’t expensive - just about $1200 per wheel. Turns out this guy was significantly richer than me.

limelight79,

Multiple, actually. No one can keep up with him for long, so they swap out. Each concierge (usually called “Domestiques”) sweeps the path clean of all gravel, dirt, and random people with strollers for the rider.

(I just realized how much I miss /r/bicyclingcirclejerk.)

Zetta,

¯_(ツ)_/¯ niche parts made by niche companies that charge a significant amount of money

calavera,

It’s called midlife crisis excessive spending

Death_Equity,

Carbon fiber wheels, carbon fiber frame, high end bearings, location of manufacture, billet machined parts from titanium or aluminum, and the brand tax.

I don’t get it but if you got the money for the nicest and lightest ride; why not?

Desistance, in The dream 🚲

Holy shit, a 15k bike?! It better be electric.

akaifox, in The dream 🚲
@akaifox@lemmy.world avatar

Reminds me of my first weeks in Japan…

I took my Kona Private Jake with me (nowhere near that bike, but $2-3k) which I would expect to be gone in an instant in the UK. I kept placed my bike on the balcony of the monthly apartment in Roppongi, which was only on the 2nd floor, and would check it at night as I thought someone would nick it

This shortly progressed to leaving it outside when going to the conbini, etc

randint,
@randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

I love how you casually slipped in the word “conbini” as if it were English, lol

NoSpotOfGround,

conbiniens storu

Sir_Simon_Spamalot, in The dream 🚲

Ah yes, people commenting how much Singapore is a facist/police state. Can’t have nice thing, eh?

BruceTwarzen,

When i went to Singapore people told me how bad it is and you're not even allowed to throw trash on the street and might get to jail for spitting your chewing gum on the street. Sooooo, you're saying I'm perfectly fine in that nice city then?

Hacksaw,

I mean your examples are trashy things to do in the first place. If you’re traveling to other countries and your main fear is “am I allowed to litter here” then it’s best you stay home.

Singapore has a lot of intense laws, and they enforce everything fairly strictly. That being said, almost every country has littering laws, just because they’re not enforced doesn’t mean you should litter.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

If your motivation of traveling is to litter, than it’s best that you fuck off and stay home.

helenslunch,

The point is not that they want to litter. The point is that they’re not Singaporean lawyers and they could very well break some random law unintentionally and then be shoved into a prison cell for years.

It’s really quite obvious if you actually think about it.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

If they want to make a point, then they better use a better example. If littering law is all they know, then they’re not gonna make a good point.

helenslunch,

I think it’s a great example

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

You really don’t.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

genuinely curious here: are you saying that we should just ignore that part because people can leave expensive bikes unattended?

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

What part am I ignoring here, exactly?

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

that singapore is a police state

donuts,
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

Speaking of not having a nice thing...

Possession or consumption [of cannabis] can result in a maximum of 10 years in prison, with a possible fine of $20,000, as well as caning, under the Misuse of Drugs Act. Trafficking, import or export of more than 500 grams may result in the death penalty.

As we say her in the USA, let the punishment fit the crime. There's a Star Trek episode where Wesley gets sentenced to death for walking on the grass or something like that... Singapore is basically that.

Mr_Blott, in The dream 🚲

I thought the title was an exaggeration but nope

MrFlamey, in [discussion] Who thought this was a good idea?

Checking the Wikipedia article on the Toyota Hilux reveals that ~1995 was peak pickup truck, and everything since then has been objectively a step in the wrong direction. I know this community is Fuck Cars, but this version was indestructible and actually amazing for the kind of shit people bought them for. Not many people would buy this to drive the kids to school or do the weekly shop. Actually, we had one when I was a kid, and I would ride in the back sometimes (just on farm roads in the UK) and it was awesome.

The popularity of pickups now is just insane. I can’t understand why they’ve gotten so massive, and are owned by so many people who are clearly not using them for any work type purpose.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Most drivers in north america drive alone (76% <a href="">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-22/how-americans-commute-to-work-in-maps</a>) The idea that the standard vehicle should be a large truck seems insane. That Hilux might be a terrible choice for commuting but its looking more and more sensible then these bloated excused phobia of vans, cars, or bikes.

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