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doggle, in Ugly American cites

We do?

Major cities are packed with parking decks, but decks are expensive, so they’ll only be built if land values are high. For most of America’s history it was simply cheaper to build out than up in most places.

It may be ugly, inconvenient, and environmentally problematic, but it shouldn’t be confusing.

Edit: it occurs to me that more parking, decks or otherwise, would actually be good for cars which seems antithetical to the point of this community… so I’m unsure what point is even trying to be made aside from calling America stupid

ignotum,

It would actually be bad for the cars, they would spend less time out in the sun causing them to develop a vitamin D deficiency, then they’d die from having weak bones.

But having parking garages wouldn’t reduce the number of cars as you say, but could potentially free up some land for useful things, which could make the cities more walkable at the very least

art, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
@art@lemmy.world avatar

Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats 45? Canyonero! (Yahhh) Canyonero.

PlantDadManGuy,

Twenty feet long and two lanes wide! Fifteen tons of American pride!

Marzanna, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

I think that compact SUV is an optimal car. It is not too big (sized like a normal car), it doesn’t consume too much fuel, you can drive to the countryside (with light offroad) and it has enough space for some load and passengers feel comfortable. It can have AWD but I think that differential block is more important than AWD.

TopRamenBinLaden,

Hatchbacks and wagons are cool for similar reasons, but they are barely a thing over here, sadly. At least we got a couple offerings from VW I guess.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

There is no such thing as an optimal car, there are less wasteful cars. 99% of the time it will only transport a single person.

ShittyRedditWasBetter, in Ugly American cites

Is this a joke? Parking garages are heavily used here.

CADmonkey, in Ugly American cites

I used to work for a precast concrete company that alnost exclusively built parking garages. We made several of them each year.

A parking garage can cost tens of millions of dollars once its all built. A paved parking lot is cheaper, so normally that’s what you see.

Chobbes, in Ugly American cites

There’s a huge amount of parking garages here, but many of them are also disguised to not be super obvious. There is so much parking, and it’s never enough for the cars.

It’s also going to depend a bit on the city. More suburby sprawling places will probably not build as many parking garages.

HurlingDurling, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

Story time. I was going back home yesterday when I saw this lifted F250 tailgating a Chevy sedan for going 5 over the speed limit (clearly the pickup wanted to go faster), so I can guarantee you that the Chevy driver will get something bigger if they can for their next car because having a monster truck right behind you seems t scare the shit out of most people so they feel safer in a larger vehicle.

I can’t even bother to give a shit if that were happening to me.

Ignisnex,
@Ignisnex@lemmy.world avatar

I’m in your camp for sure, but I can certainly understand the feeling of needing something bigger to protect yourself too. Those massive trucks driving like idiots are a safety hazard. That, and the fact that when your face is at bumper level, if something happens, no matter how correct you are, you’re still going to be pulling your teeth out of their fog lights.

HurlingDurling,

Exactly. Even if we can’t ban cars everywhere, there should at least be restrictions on the bumper height of a vehicle as well as the headlight height. I know here in South Carolina, they just banned modified trucks called Carolina Squats but lately I’ve seen more of them (because “fuck the libs” or whatever), but the punishment is a ticket, they need to be impounded and the plates only returned once the modifications are removed and pass a safety inspection.

Chetzemoka, in Ugly American cites

The real reason? Bad, old parking regulations: youtu.be/OUNXFHpUhu8?si=sv3Rdh15Q0k5UHKU

No really. It’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever learned about my country.

themusicman, in Ugly American cites

Because if they did, it would be quicker to walk straight to the destination than to and from the parking spaces.

Car infrastructure generally ends up justifying itself.

okamiueru, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

The only nut job conspiracy I believe is that there is something in the food, water or air, that makes Americans dumb as fuck.

That’s how I rationalise their love for dumb impractical cars that look tough, and why complete dimwits get so much air time, let alone can become president.

Muffi,
jernej,

If Flint Michigan, the fact that US meat is banned from EU (and other places like China) and all the funky shit CIA has been doing has taught me anything is that you arr probably right

CADmonkey,

For decades in yhe US, there were huge V8 powered cars blowing lead exhaust into the air.

Other countries had cars, but they also had more public transportation, and the cars they had used smaller engines. Less fuel burned = less lead = fewer lead-addled moneyed old people fucking everything up.

Pxtl, (edited ) in Ugly American cites
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Parking structures are insanely expensive. Like, each parking spot in a parking structure costs like 30X what it costs to build a surface parking spot. It’s a crapload of concrete, and with climate change, concrete ain’t getting cheaper (concrete is extremely carbon-intensive, it releases CO2 intrinsically, not just from power-generation).

edit, since I’m getting downvotes and I assume this post is being read as an endorsement of city-destroying surface parking: The correct solution is just to not do parking at all except for extreme needs and focus on human-scale transportation.

GissaMittJobb,

Parking in general is expensive, along with all of the rest of car infrastructure.

Pxtl,
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Yes, but concrete parking structures are an order of magnitude moreso. Assuming $50k per parking spot and a 25-year mortgage, each spot will incur $328.58 in monthly mortgage costs. Assuming full occupancy every workday and zero on weekends (21 workdays per month) that means the daily parking fee should be $16 just to break even. This is a thumbnail sketch of course, but it shows the kind of costs we’re talking about.

Ddhuud,

Upfront, yes. But you’re not counting the energy that everyone uses and will forever have to use to roam around a city that is way larger than it needs to be. Not to mention the obvious wasted land.

Agent641,

Then youve got maintenance, insurance, security, employees…

Agent641,

Human-scale transportation

Trebuchets, got it.

SlikPikker,

But about 2 meters.

That’s about 1.5 Ben Shapiro’s, for the Americans.

Pixelle3D, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.
@Pixelle3D@midwest.social avatar

Americans think it’s tough, cool, and macho man to own these types of vehicles. Same view with voting Republican. It makes you r/iamverybadass in their eyes. Meanwhile the rest of the world just rolls their eyes.

Iampossiblyatwork,

As an American, it may have started with macho, but now it’s about safety. I drive a Volt and am frequently blinded by SUVs and Trucks in my rear view. If a 250 hits me… I’m probably dead.

Until legislation is passed limiting the height of a vehicle a regular person can drive there will never be any change. Maybe also height restrictions in certain lanes or regions would help.

Special licenses and restrictions on where we allow these cars is the only way forward.

dirtbiker509,

Being blinded by headlights is already a solved problem for years now with matrix headlights. It is the US government that is full of old farts that don’t even understand what they are and how they work. We just need a government that can actually respond and update policy for new technology. Currently matrix led headlight tech is illegal in the US because of some headlight laws made in 1920…

Iampossiblyatwork,

A solved problem on a handful of luxury cars. We are years away from this feature being commonplace unless a law is passed.

Also, they are legal. motorauthority.com/…/1135084_us-finally-allows-us…

HelixDab2, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

I dunno. I had to drive a truck over the weekend, to move 3 cords of wood. I rented an F250, which is a big truck. It was useful to have; there’s no way that I would have been able to move that much wood with a smaller truck and trailer, and, if my driveway wasn’t so tight, it would have been nicer to rent a larger dump trailer (I’m pretty sure that I was over the maximum load rating on the trailer for each trip).

…But it’s not a fun truck to drive. Power is slow compared to the compact car I usually drive, and very slow compared to my motorcycle, steering feels sloppy, brakes are feel mushy, fuel economy is terrible, and it was so goddamn big that I had to drive very carefully to be sure that it wasn’t over any of the lines on the road. Aside from the ability to move a very heavy load–greater than a ton–it really doesn’t have much of anything going for it. I can’t imagine why most people would want one, compared to a vehicle that allows them to react quickly.

…Or compared to functioning public transit.

Colorcodedresistor,

Bro. if you just stop being a decent person and do all that stuff with a truck. You’d be confused as a Floridian with a Lifted 03 Ford Expedition.

I don’t think anyone Ultimately hates Trucks for their intended purposes. It’s the SuperSize Me Trucks that are exclusively used to show off tiny penises and get groceries and that’s it…I know Plenty of Craftsmen with Dualies. but they also Take their workshop with them in the morning, I can do that too with my subcompact. Because I’m more of an Electrician, my tools aren’t so cumbersome

CADmonkey,

Two things: First of course is one simply must have a nicer, bigger, more powerful truck than that guy.

The second thing is no, that F250 you rented wasn’t comfortable. You most likely rented an F250 XL. The XL trim is the lowest, meanest, least comfortable version of Ford’s trucks. The people who need their brodozer status symbol drive the fancy versions that have the soft carpet, power windows, leather seats, and a bed cover because lets be realistic, that truck bed will never carry anything more than groceries.

I have an F150 XL that I bought used. It was a rental truck from some hardware store called “Menards”. It has no carpet, no power windows, no tint, steel wheels, no extended cab, no crew cab, no CD player, just a bench seat and an 8ft bed.

HelixDab2,

OMG, Menards is fantastic, and I wish we had them in the state I live in now. :(

But yeah, base model truck. But even without the being a base model, the things that make it shitty to drive are still going to be shitty.

Trainguyrom,

When I worked at a bank not too long ago I got to drive the company car once and its one of those van sized 3 row SUVs with a truck bed’s worth of space (probably a full 8 feet!) when the third row is folded down and holy cow that thing handled like a boat, accelerated poorly, breaked really hard and had a super disconcerting glide to the suspension.

I had to go pick up some packages for my department that the post office had said were a lot, but it turned out to just be like one seat’s worth of boxes, so i couldve just driven my own car and expensed the miles, so it was a waste of a trip for that giant boat

ThePac, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

It’s an arms race to not die in a car crash.

AlexWIWA, in How the heck did we get here? Most best selling "cars" are now superzied pickups and SUVs.

I saw a truck with regular old halogens the other day and it still seared my retinas. Fucking hate how tall every vehicle is now.

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