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anyone_yun, in [discussion] Bus commuters of Lemmy, do you use bars or handles?

I usually use bars since loop handles in my city aren’t well maintained or durable and they break easily. Yes you read that right.

Rentlar,

Dang, that sucks. Is it the rubber type or a sort of rope with a rigid plastic ring? I could see either breaking from poor maintenance but in different ways.

anyone_yun,

A rope with a plastic ring usually

Rentlar, in [discussion] Bus commuters of Lemmy, do you use bars or handles?

Just an informal poll for commuters to shake up the community feel a bit… sparked this morning being on a crowded bus. On my bus, it was about 4 people holding bars per person holding a loop.

Transcriptionist, (edited ) in Tier list

Image Transcription:

A sticker attached to a pole with a QR code in the top right corner. Down the left side are the letters A to G on coloured tags with arrow-angled right ends, and under G a black coloured tag with HELL written on it, in the style of the European Union’s energy efficiency labels found on appliances. Each tag ranges in colour from dark green to red and increases in size the further down it goes. Each arrow end indicates a different silhouette.

The A tag is dark green and very short, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a walking stick figure.

The B tag is a slightly lighter green than A and slightly longer, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a bicycle.

The C tag is light green and slightly longer than B, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an moped.

The D tag is yellow and slightly longer than C, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a subway train.

The E tag is orange and slightly longer than D, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a car.

The F tag is orange-red and slightly longer than E, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a yacht.

The G tag is red and the length increase from F is almost triple that of previous length increases, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of an airplane.

The HELL tag is black and longer than G, the arrow end points towards the silhouette of a tank.

[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

okamiueru,

The only subtle detailed you missed, which is not surprise, is that Sweden and Norway (not sure which if the other skandies, maybe this is a EU thing, hm) use those letters, with those colors, and those arrows to indicate energy efficiency rating. So, it could be a nudge at the relationship between reducing emissions or suffer consequences of global warming, which will eventually lead to famine and war.

orrk,

all the EU does, it is a standardized EU thing

Transcriptionist,

Thank you for the correction! I’ve edited my comment. This was a particularly difficult one for me, so I really appreciate the information 💜

Iron_Lynx, (edited )

So some errors:

  • the C tag points to a silhouette of a moped, not an e-bike.
  • the D tag points to the silhouette of a subway train, not a bus. You can tell by the wheel sets.
  • most egregiously, the F tag points to the silhouette of a yacht

EDIT: As pointed out in one comment, it’s the F tag pointing to a yacht, not the G tag. I corrected the post.

EDIT2: Our transcriber has updated their post to reflect the changes. Well done good person! 👍

JudahBenHur,

i saw e-bike with C. I think one could see either

Deme,
@Deme@lemmy.world avatar

G definitely points to a jet. A private jet to be more specific.

Iron_Lynx,

… good point, I’ll correct it. The one pointing to a yacht is definitely not pointing to a train car, that was the point.

Transcriptionist,

My bad! I had a lot of trouble with this one, I’ll admit. Thank you so much for the information, I’ve edited my comment. 💜

gummybootpiloot, in Tier list

Lekker blijven likken!

Gerula, in Tier list

Where do the plague of SUVs and light trucks live in this scale?

Polydot,

hell or G

YMS,
@YMS@kbin.social avatar

In real life, the system is screwed, and vehicles are not measured just by their energy consumption, but by their energy consumption compared to other vehicles of similar weight, so in the end there are heavy SUVs with much better ratings than compact cars.

Kolanaki, in Tier list
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Where do monster trucks lie on this scale?

Actually, serious question: How do most of you feel about car sports? Like if we managed to get a world where cars are not a necessity would vehicular sporting events also be purged? I’m not much of a race fan, but demolition derby and monster truck shows are fun.

nei7jc,
@nei7jc@lemmy.world avatar

The community is, I believe, about eliminating car dependency. Basically, it would be an ideal world if you don’t even have to consider owning a car to participate in society. Car racing is like the difference between mountain biking and riding a bike around for your commute. There are worse practices than racing cars.

Mandarbmax,

Nah dude, care can be really cool toys! I fully support Nascar, demolition derbys, monster trush shows, old car collecting, etc.

I just don’t want cars to be the main way to go places, let alone the only one as it is in many places! It is bad economically, it is bad for people’s health, and it is bad for the environment. Using cars for entertainment though really isn’t an issue, nor is using them in situations where the alternatives don’t work as well.

space,

The pollution impact is fairly small and a lot of innovation happens in those competitions that might end up in ordinary vehicles.

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Motorsports are cool. And their contribution to pollution is negligible compared to wider vehicle use as well as more accountable.

The_Mixer_Dude, in [video] It's time to replace urban delivery vans | Vox

I think it’s important to point out that the video states that vans contribute to a big chunk of vehicle CO2 emissions. What they didn’t really care to touch on is the fact that probably less than 1/3 of those vehicles are being used for actual package delivery

Kolanaki, in [meme] How would you rather see this land developed?
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I’d rather see more than just housing if I have to live on a tiny fucking island.

Gsus4, in Tier list
@Gsus4@feddit.nl avatar

Bikes are actually greener than walking, because if you need to move, they allow you to have a greater daily range for a not much higher footprint (more efficient and 3 times faster).

doingthestuff,

It’s also really green if you die riding one in places where it’s completely unsafe to ride one like where I live. You eliminate your carbon footprint completely!

Gsus4,
@Gsus4@feddit.nl avatar
knotthatone,

I was so excited to finally live in a city where I could actually ride a bike to work most of the year until I actually tried it.

Drivers are assholes, have no awareness of their surroundings, the rules of the road and they give zero shits.

Nope nope nope. I’ll walk to the train

adriaan,

It’s not really the drivers’ fault, it’s the bad infrastructure that drives their behavior.

knotthatone,

I’m talking about running stop signs, gunning it at yellow lights, not using turn signals, using turn signals but not turning, swerving into bike lanes and flinging open their doors without looking.

Infrastructure like protected bike lanes and robust public transit so fewer people feel the need to drive are great, but bad driving is bad driving.

doingthestuff,

I lived somewhere with trains half my life ago, it was very nice. I have no trains or buses or sidewalks or even a shoulder on the road. Just fast two-lane curvy backroads with a ditch on the side.

Muffi,

Even greener if the murderer in the car gets thrown in jail!

tomi000,

What about production?

Gsus4,
@Gsus4@feddit.nl avatar

Embedded CO2 for a bike is like 100kg (that’s what 4 trees in your backyard absorb a year), which over a lifetime of 30 years is negligible.

A7thStone, (edited )

I responded to the wrong comment, sorry

tomi000,

You say negligible, but what you mean is negligible on a scale of the CO2 emissions we are used to. Human body CO2 emission is just as negligible on that scale.

Ill do some quick maths: According to the first source on google, an average human burns 3kcal/min walking and 5kcal/min biking at 15km/h, which is about 3x as fast as walking. Considering that, we arrive at a difference of 1.33kcal/min by walking instead of biking. Estimates suggest 1.3g CO2-equivalents per kcal for average consumption (much lower for vegans), so thats 1.73g CO2/min. 100kg CO2 for bike production would take 57,800min of walking, thats almost 963h. An average bike will probably be used more so I guess you are right and bikes are indeed more efficient than walking :D

orrk,

CO2 emissions that fall within natural cycles in terms of scale, are negligible.

tomi000,

I agree, but the question at hand was not whether one or the other was negligible, but which is more efficient: walking or biking.

Adori,
@Adori@lemmy.world avatar

It’s faster to make bikes than legs

calavera,

I can say the same about public transportation

bastian_5, in [video] It's time to replace urban delivery vans | Vox

I think delivery trucks are probably still the better option for most packages when they are properly utilized, which they obviously aren’t being if the statistics given are accurate. It’s mass transit for packages. The ineffecciencies probably just come from the overarching problem of there being too many cars on the road. Without that, it becomes a lot more efficient to transport hundreds of packages at once in one truck than have dozens of bikes carry the same load, especially over an entire city. Anything that does need to be delivered quickly should be done by bike, but with proper logistics, delivery trucks actually are more space efficient.

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

I’d also honestly love to see cargo trams like this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4ef141d1-3bc4-4f77-b788-bb09de5395d4.png

If we had waaaay fewer cars and if we restored the dense streetcar networks of yore, this could be a feasible option for delivering goods to larger stores (e.g., grocery stores) and to neighborhood cargo hubs, where people could pick up packages directly, or neighborhood electric delivery vehicles and cargo bikes could deliver to the local neighborhood from.

The fact they’re on rails means they’re vastly more predictable in their movement (safer for pedestrians and cyclists), and the fact they have overhead wires means no diesel and no batteries.

VicentAdultman,

Yes. Some solutions here are engine bad, human body good. My city delivered bikes to people that used carriage for transporting recycling material. If it wasn’t the city hall incentive and extra money in order to the change to be made, these people would starve themselves. They need to make physical effort all around town gathering materials and be in a position that they wouldn’t be able to carry the weight if they had a carriage. Thankfully, some mayor had good intentions with the people and the horses. Now take that into picture with how > distribution centers work, how much online shopping a town makes and how much a person would need to ride and carry weight, with sun, rain, etc. Just insane, dude.

Ponder, in Tier list
@Ponder@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t think of a reason boats would be below cars other than maybe polluting aquatic environments

JohnDClay,

I think it’s probably referring to yachts rather than ocean liners.

knotthatone,

Ocean liners are all but extinct. They’ve been supplanted by cruise ships which are utterly horrific for the environment.

snugglesthefalse,

What about boats with sails?

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

Sailboats shouldn’t be that bad considering what goes into their construction and that they don’t actively produce pollutants beyond whatever wears off your rope and I guess painting the hull every couple of years.

Hazdaz,

This guy’s gonna drive his boat to work!

There isn’t a canal, inlet or fjord everywhere.

MJBrune,

Boats put out more CO2 than cars. Water is more dense than air and friction of tires and rolling and etc. Boats are overall worse for the environment both on climate change and environmental damage.

BeigeAgenda, in Tier list
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

But tanks are the perfect cure for traffic jam.

Nouveau_Burnswick,

That’s clearly self propelled artillery.

A7thStone,

SPGs are the ultimate commuter vehicle if you only need to move a couple of hundred metres.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

The final cure to jaywalking is no man’s land.

populustree,

worked well in tiannenmen square (:

atticus88th, in Tier list

Driving a tank to hell is probably a good idea.

HerbalGamer, in Tier list

let’s push those yachts and private jets down a few levels while we’re at it.

ShittyRedditWasBetter, in Tier list

Poor tanks 😑

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