I would also note that some instances with the ml ending like fmhy.ml got wiped out of existence a few weeks ago because Malaysia forcefully took back that domain suffix back. I was on there and had to make a new account elsewhere after I saw it wasn’t going to come back up.
For some the novelty of lemmy dropped pretty quickly. Most reddit users which make up a huge chunk of lemmy users would go days if not, weeks without commenting or posting. You kinda have to factor in that a lot of people are lemmy lurkers that will comment or post once they find something that interests them.
Also in my case I made several alts in the beginning (because I couldn’t decide on an instance and I like to have backups for when an instance is down).
Other users probably did the same, which results in a bunch of inactive accounts.
Yea, I needed a place to go after reddit, I found a place to go and I have a clean conscious. People still using reddit are the ones with the problem. Lemmy isn’t as massive as reddit, but it was never going to get as ginormous as reddit in that short of time. It’s fine for what I want. It feels a bit rough around the edges, but I’m assuming part of that is growing pains and it’ll grow into whatever it needs to be in time.
I don’t understand why people have expectations from a young platform like it’s supposed to be the new reddit/facebook all of a sudden. I lived through the digg->reddit move and believe me, it was worse than what we see on lemmy sometimes. Let it grow and it will have a chance. Offer help when you think some communities aren’t correctly moderated or when you think you have better ideas. People usually will try to help (not all the time).
What’s the point of “hurting” reddit if you go back after some time? It’s like Stockholm syndrome, when you go back to your rapist.
Anyway, I’ve seen a lot of great discussions on lemmy and I hope smart people will stay here. I really don’t care about how many we are, I care about the quality of the posts and discussions. And yes, I know there’s a lot of shit on lemmy too, but I think I’m able to filter that shit: I learned on reddit.
Only reason I would browse Reddit was because of the vast amount of information linked and posted to it. Given enough time and engagement from the Internet as a whole Lemmy will be bigger and better than reddit. We’ll get there but it needs everybody’s help.
I will say I’m already twice as active on Lemmy than I was on Reddit 🥳
It maybe comes from an all or nothing mentality. I would have tremendous Schadenfreude if Reddit does indeed die, but the culture there changed and I don’t really care if all of Reddit migrated here. As long as Lemmy is active enough, I am content.
Sites like reddit, Instagram, and twitter make the cognitive effort to go from signing up to using the app as low as possible. The users’ experience is considered from before they even have an account. They make sure you don’t ever see a blank page or feel like you’re battling the app to find content.
Lemmy actively puts roadblocks in the way. Server choices, the hoops you need to jump though for server memberships, and highly fragmented communities all but ensure that people will face issues when signing up.
Sadly, a lot of users here feel that because they had to overcome them, so should everyone else. Until that changes then the self-defeating cycle will continue.
They really really need to do something about the confusing account creation process. Most people ended up on Lemmy.world because they assumed that that was the site you had to use. They were never directed to other instances.
What they need to do is have a lemmy.com website and when you create an account on it it just creates an account on a random semi-popular reliable instance. To spread load. If everyone uses the same platform then the robustness of the platform goes away and we are essentially back to a single point of failure. But now in a more complicated manner.
We’re getting there, still in the very early stages here. One thing I’ve noticed is how extremely techy the initial community here was, something I personally collided with like a bit of a wrecking ball. People in general, not just techy people, tend to assume others will approach things similarly to how they naturally do. So they don’t necessarily always see problems that others might stumble over, ahead of time.
Now that we’ve started growing more rapidly, these problems of scale, where they now have to anticipate problems they did not have to anticipate before, all are coming due. So, growing pains.
This is why I have not been inviting people to Lemmy yet, I’ve been waiting until it’s more polished for the mainstream. It’s also why the graph is trending down. We’re literally not ready yet for the mainstream, in many, many different ways.
Also useful to remember, we’re only done getting big growth spikes if spez is done pissing off reddit. I doubt he is.
Yes, agreed. A single point of entry, supported by multiple instances. If the accounts are distributed across them based on availability and capacity, it would immediately fix two of the biggest issues Lemmy faces.
@LambLeeg I swear we have this this at least a copule or few months of someone getting anxious there's a sight dip of active user on the Fediverse and eventually it goes up again.
I woudn't worry too much about the graph and just try to vibe here instead.. 🤷♂️
Yeah this was always going to happen after a big rush. On any website a certain % of users that sign up won’t like it and will move on. If you have a steady influx of users, you wouldn’t notice it, but because of lemmys explosive growth due to reddit shitting its pants, then just like we saw a tonne of people leave at once, were now seeing a tonne of people leave at once, and now that that explosive user growth is normalising, for a short time we will see an overall decline in users until the amount of leavers normalises as well.
If were still losing people in a month, then we should be worried.
Same, some of my posts were removed without being told why. For example /c/pics is apparently exclusive to photography which wasn’t at first obvious to me. Still - would be nice to be sent a message when mods remove it
A look at the mod log is pretty depressing. Clearly the mods on Lemmy are as bad or worse than on the old site. 95% of what is removed shouldn’t have been, it’s just constant power tripping or trying to set the narrative.
While I’m sure a lot of mods have been getting away with murder on reddit and have carried it over to lemmy, it’s unfair to characterize lemmy by these The fediverse is the perfect opportunity to begin to demand servers that have transparent moderation and arbitration or that they get put on a block list of the servers that value it. That means being told when your comment is removed and being given a reason. Being sent a notification is something that the server could be doing itself.
I was an early Reddit adopter and can remember how lonely it felt back then. It took years but it got better in ways and worse in others. I believe in Lemmy because it isn’t susceptible to the pressures of a company trying to be profitable. Sure it’ll have its own challenges but I’ve personally had enough of idiot CEOs running social websites into the ground.
Being new to Mastodon and Lemmy I personally struggle to figure things out. Just finding a brief summary on how Lemmy works in contrast to reddit has, so far, yielded no helpful results. While I think for me this is just a matter of sticking with the services I can imagine that a lot of people would check in, struggle and check out again.
The, let’s call it infrastructure, of Lemmy and the way registration works due to the fediverse is quite different to what most people are used to.
It is against the idea of the fediverse, but if you point a new user to a general purpose Lemmy instance and tell to sign up there, there isn’t much difference to reddit?
Default to the all communities feed, a single sign in page and they’re good to go.
I agree that the basic functions are similar, comping one particular instance of lemmy with reddit, but the fediverse, at least in my opinion, adds to the complexity. And when it comes to complexity, you have to keep in mind that there are business models out there focused on reducing the complexity of much more basic needs such as preparing a meal.
What if the instance I have registered with doesn’t provide a particular content I crave? If a new account was required to get the content I’m liking for, it may be a deal breaker. This problem is solved elegantly by federation. But if I browse all to search for that particular sub(?) which one ist the right one?
There is (at least for a newcommer) so much choice (compared to reddit) which looks very similar at first glance. Choosing a sub or an instance is not complicated, but in it’s nature complex, and the ability and willingness to handle that complexity may be major turn off for many newcomers.
I saw someone post that the competition between subs on different instances would drive quality, but that is not necessarily the case, when the metric I use is the number of followers in a sub. In the end, this thought of a free market will either result in a monopoly, one sub on one instance being preferred due to the amount of content and hence the visibility, or stagnation because none of the subs will provide the necessary quality to attract the masses.
For me it’s the lack of content that is killing Lemmy. It’s just not nearly as entertaining here as it was on Reddit. I know the community isn’t the same size so it isn’t comparable really, but it’s just the same content here day after day.
The big problem with lemmy is that some niche communities did not migrated so when you Look for example for fairphone news you Look to reddit beacuse lemmy dosent have equivalent. Likewise i havent seen something similar to r/tailsof. You know the niche communities that were the bread and bucket of reddit with the few exceptions ( programers and Linux communities fully migrated and are obviusly standing out beacuse those pepole are always first to move to opensource alternatives )
Adding onto that, the quality of Reddit content [in my former subreddits] has slid dramatically in my opinion. Sure, those niche communities will exist and persist for a while. But, as more tech pros move to the Fediverse I have to imagine that is where a lot of information will reside going forward. Hopefully it becomes or remains discoverable. I get some glimmers of this happening with the various Steam Deck communities here. It is already happening with the various programming communities.
I think a far more likely thing to happen is that you get people scrapping the Fediverse for content to repost on Reddit, like what happens with Facebook and Instagram users scraping TikTok for content to repost. Social networks these days seem surprisingly sticky now that it isn’t just a place where all your friends are at.
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