Nothing to see here, just join lemmy promoting a pedophile instance. Not a good look for the fediverse

cross-posted from: sh.itjust.works/post/6400327

In case anyone is wondering, it’s rqd2.

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/93d08422-cab7-4b38-a23d-884c7925f346.webp

The definition of paraphilia is “a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.”, which can inclde pedophilia.

It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance

Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.

You can see for yourself here

Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon

Xylinna,
@Xylinna@lemmy.world avatar

Locking post as comments have gotten extremely off topic and hostile.

Lewdiculous,

Being realistic here… They don’t seem to have anything actually illegal though, it’s not like the instance is breaking the law or anything, seems like a far fetched overreaction.

spez,

The public doesn’t think that way. Once media covers fediverse as some underground CSAM tradi g center, it’s dead.

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

OH 4CHAN

HawlSera,

What the fuck is a para or transkid?

dynamo,

I mean, pedos do have a place they belong. A woodchipper. Feet first.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Slowly.

JokeDeity,

Based purely off this thread and having never seen this instance before now, it comes off as typical LGBT fear mongering and fanning the flames of hatred. Does anyone moderating or from the administration of that instance proclaim to be pro pedophilia? Have they refused to remove pedophilia content? Help me to understand, because right now it just looks like typical right wing jumping to conclusions to spread hate, but I’m open to being enlightened.

ParsnipWitch,
@ParsnipWitch@feddit.de avatar

I wish people would inform themselves before they jump to conclusions. If you don’t want to look at the instance that’s fine and understandable (and probably for the best). But don’t make assumptions and try to immediately spread discord without even trying to look at what you are talking about first. Otherwise it is you who is fanning the flames of hatred.

They share links to pedophilic material, they have a “smash or pass” thread for lolis, openly discuss how sex with children “isn’t always harmful”, consider themselves “transage” and therefore as good partners for minors etc. etc.

Boxman,

To be completely honest, I’d rather use reddit and have to deal with the shitty client than having to constantly worry about pedos like here on lemmy

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime,

I’ve yet to see anything but posts about this issue, so I’m confused by comments like this. I’m a daily user some days heavily and have been for a couple months.

soren446,
@soren446@lemmy.world avatar

Oh buddy I have some bad news for you about Reddit and pedos

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

There are pedos all over Reddit. Even on the admin team. So…

nutomic,
@nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

That instance list is built completely automatically by a crawler, no one approves instances before they are listed. In this case it was removed as soon as we became aware of it. Next time please make a pull request like that one, its much more effective than complaining.

pedro,

Sorry but what’s a MAP?

Phantom_Engineer,
@Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml avatar

Pedophile (stands for Minor Attracted Person)

pedro,

Thanks. I hate politically correct language like this

stratoscaster,

It’s not real, it was a joke made by 4chan that stuck. Nobody is actually using that term unless they’re a pedophile

Cryophilia,

Sure, but CSAM is a real term and the same thing applies.

bear,
@bear@slrpnk.net avatar

?

Are you just anti-acronym in general?

Cryophilia,

Anti-unnecessary terms. Changing “child porn” (or CP) to “CSAM” is a ridiculous, confusing, and unnecessary thing. And it takes effort away from meaningful action.

shagie,

rainn.org/…/what-child-sexual-abuse-material-csam

While the term child pornography is still widely used by the public, it’s more accurate to call it what it is: evidence of child sexual abuse. That’s why RAINN and others have stopped using the term child pornography and switched to referring to it as CSAM — child sexual abuse materials.

While some of the pornography online depicts adults who have consented to be filmed, that’s never the case when the images depict children. Just as kids can’t legally consent to sex, they can’t consent to having images of their abuse recorded and distributed. Every explicit photo or video of a kid is actually evidence that the child has been a victim of sexual abuse.

Cryophilia,

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    bear,
    @bear@slrpnk.net avatar

    Making of a big deal about it is what takes away effort from meaningful action. Nobody is taking time out of their day over this issue but you. This is silly.

    melmi, (edited )
    @melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The term is real, it’s even used in scientific literature. The term possibly even predates 4chan, or maybe it’s just a success on 4chan’s part, successfully laundering a term into scientific discourse? It’s hard to find too much solid evidence on the origin of the term. 4chan did seriously signal boost it with the whole “MAP Pride” thing though.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    There are actual retards out in the wild that use the term to describe pedophiles unironically. No one likes them. Bully them.

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

    It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children.

    So, it’s got that going for it. Treating them both the same.

    Unfortunately, it’s also used to obfuscate the fact that a MAP is a pedophile/hebephile. Which is bad.

    There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos. Unfortunately, pedos use the term MAP to hide the fact they’re pedos, so… 🤷

    bear,
    @bear@slrpnk.net avatar

    It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children

    youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Username checks out

    JokeDeity,

    People like you are actually scum. Guy just answers a fucking question and some chode like you comes out of nowhere to call him a pedophile for it. He never said anything remotely in agreement with any of it. Fuck yourself and every other piece of shit that drops the word pedophile on anyone they don’t like. Pedophiles are real and they hurt real people and you using it as a word for anyone at random diminishes it’s purpose.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Tell us you’re not actually paying attention without telling us you’re not actually paying attention

    There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos.

    This is a lie meant to make pedophiles come off as sympathetic. They’re ALL terrible and there is no distinction between one pedo and another. If there’s anything that horrific instance should have shown anyone, it’s that. Any pedo who claims they hate themselves for it and are getting therapy are lying to you.

    Maybe actually read what’s being said before blowing a gasket.

    JokeDeity,

    You’re a horrible person and I hope you never have to truly understand why what you’re doing is fucking horrible because that entails another child being harmed, but I do hope you get called a pedophile for no fucking reason in public and everyone just takes it at face value. Scumbag.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Guess your username checks out too

    JokeDeity,

    Yeah, children being raped is really funny to you? I’m really not sure what your purpose is other than to be offensive if you really think now is the time to say it’s all just for laughs.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Boy, you really don’t have any actual reading comprehension, do you?

    Or you are a pedophile out here concern trolling protecting your fucked up brethren.

    JokeDeity,

    Truly a disgusting person. Honestly now I just hope you jump from somewhere very high.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    I’m sure you do, you fucking idiot.

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

    No. You are a horrible, horrific creature.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Yeah, I’m sure someone who won’t put up with you trying to frame pedophiles in a positive light would be a monster in your eyes. Can’t have anyone actually hold the pond scum you’re protecting accountable in any meaningful way. How else would you fulfill your pathological need to feel needed?

    You keep living up to your namesake and you’re going to find yourself in a gutter with a crack pipe and an empty bottle of Jim Beam, dude. Seriously.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Its not real language.

    Its some bullshit cooked up by internet trolls, and accepted and used by right wing propagandists, as the latest thing to use to try and paint gay people as pedophiles.

    When, historically, we know the actual pedophiles are the ones falsely claiming gays are the danger to children.

    HawlSera,

    To be fair, it is not politically correct language, actually it’s language that’s commonly frowned upon in all circles. But basically as long as the LGBT rights movements have existed with any level of mainstream visibility in America, there have been organizations like NAMBLA and the like that have been trying to piggyback off of them…

    And it pretty much ends the same way, with the pedophiles being shown the door.

    Incidentally this is what the early South Park episode about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes getting mad at NAMBLA (the irl NAtional Man Boy Love Association) for stealing their acronym is poking fun at.

    Fallenwout,

    It is like your screen name but without the “r”

    some_guy,

    Maybe I don’t know enough, but I think this is FUD.

    xusontha,

    https://loot.buckodr.ink/quB6Fj.png

    Yeah, no. I’m defeding with them.

    Why must people do things like this it makes us all look bad

    antik,
    @antik@lemmy.world avatar

    I suggest you use fediseer on your instance if you want to keep up.

    xusontha,

    What exactly do you mean? I’ve been meaning to set up Fediseer but I haven’t gotten around to learning about it, and would appreciate any guidance you could give me

    antik,
    @antik@lemmy.world avatar

    With fediseer you can Endorse instances and then you can follow the blocks those instances do. So for example you endorse lemmy.world and literature.cafe and when either one of them adds an instance to their blocklist on fediseer they will also be blocked on your instance.

    You can even follow those blocks just for certain tags. Let’s say you don’t want to follow for “inactive admins” but you do want to follow for “neo-nazis” and “CSAM”.

    It’s pretty cool and the functionality keeps expanding. Before it was more like a ring of trust but the developers have really been listening to what the community wanted and there has been a ton of progress. It’s created by @db0 and @rikudou who added the gui and loads of extra features.

    gui.fediseer.com

    rikudou,
    @rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

    If you need any help, do let me know (on Matrix, preferably, but I can do PMs) and I can help set you up.

    seaQueue,
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly shit that blatant makes me think agent provocateur.

    xusontha,

    Bro they’re all like this heres one I just found https://loot.buckodr.ink/nhZ4Fa.pngThey’re so absurdly crazy I almost believe it’s satirical even though I know they’re probably being honest with their opinions

    seaQueue,
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeahhhhhhh, that’s just shitty fascist bait. I’m surprised no one has reported that instance to national authorities yet, it can’t federate if the people running it are busy with the FBI.

    Cryophilia,

    I can guarantee the vast majority of those posters are kids themselves just doing stupid cringey edgy kid things.

    “What’s the worst thing I can think of? Let me join a community in support of it, that will show my parents”

    Just look at that shit. It’s cringetopia.

    ParsnipWitch,
    @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de avatar

    Sadly not all of them are. I looked at the instance and clicked on a post where they share some book that collects “positive examples of grownup-child sexual relationships”. With a huge rabbit hole attached I won’t descend further into. This is legit some dark corner of the internet shit.

    seaQueue,
    @seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, I think we should probably treat it the same way we’d treat any site that has content like that. Defederate from it, obviously, and then report the site to your national authorities who handle sites with that material. I’m sure the FBI would love to know that site exists so they can have a nice chat with the operator.

    DudeDudenson,

    I mean this is real free speech. We might find what they say and talk about horrible. But that’s what real free speech gets you

    Still,
    @Still@programming.dev avatar

    and we’re all free to say fuck off.

    regbin_,

    Exactly

    jenniebuckley,
    @jenniebuckley@lemmy.world avatar

    freedom of speech means that the government cannot censor you. Lemmy is not the government

    maporita,

    Great strawman but no, this is not free speech, this is illegal content and laws exist to prosecute those who disseminate it. Free speech allows you to offend others … it doesn’t give you a pass to break the law.

    DudeDudenson,

    As I said I find the whole trying to pass off pedophilia as something normal horrible. That doesn’t mean that them having their own instances and communities isn’t part of free speech.

    Real free speech isn’t censored by law.

    Again I’m just making an observation here it doesn’t mean I’m okay with this happening but this is what we signed up for, liberty has a cost.

    As far as I’m concerned those people should be put on a police watch list and have all their post be read by their local authorities lol

    PhlubbaDubba,

    It’s intentional, that flag was made by 4channers trying to push the “MAPs are part of the LGBTQ community” line, specifically to confuse with resemblance to the trans pride flag.

    xusontha,

    Of course it is/was

    If you’re gonna screw kids why not screw everyone else too

    HawlSera,

    Personally I think we should have a MAP flag…

    It should be grey, black and orange.

    Grey and black represents the bars, orange represents the jumpsuit.

    Pedophilia is a crime, not a sexuality, and the day this becomes a controversial statement is the day humanity is officially unworthy of its continued existence as a species.

    HawlSera,

    The only about the Devil’s Advocate I’m willing to give for someone who is attracted to children, is that I think they should be provided services to designed to prevent them from attacking people, and that they should be free to seek therapy to minimize their chances of attacking others without scrutiny.

    But that’s the end of my symapthy anyone willing to force themselves upon a minor literally does not deserve to live.

    Buelldozer,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    Lemmy really really needs instance blocking. Yes I know some clients have it but Lemmy itself needs a way to enable users to fully block another instance and all of its communities.

    Blaze,
    @Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    It’s on the roadmap for 0.19, so coming hopefully in a few weeks

    antik,
    @antik@lemmy.world avatar

    Luckily we have fediseer, which we use to automatically block instances with, for example, the csam tag.

    gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world

    kglitch,

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    airportline,
    @airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

    That really surprises me considering their the lemmy devs’ leftist political beliefs

    TheGreatFox,

    That’s the thing with being pro free speech - it means not censoring speech you hate.

    Things quickly get complicated when the speech is (potentially) harmful.

    airportline,
    @airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

    I didn’t take them to be free speech absolutists, though.

    rikudou,
    @rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

    They’re as leftist as the “communist” China. Or as “socialist” as the Nazis were. Just because someone calls themselves “communist” or “socialist”, doesn’t mean it’s true. And if you support China, Nazis, Soviet Union or its successor Russia, you’re not a communist or socialist.

    melmi, (edited )
    @melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It looks like the instance has only existed for about a month, so it’s not too surprising it hasn’t been noticed before now.

    They already removed pedo instances before, so they’ll probably remove this one. They seem to draw a much harder line on pedophilia than politics.

    xantoxis, (edited )

    CSAM will bring negative law enforcement attention, whereas nazi content will get you a big thumbs-up from the cops.

    edit: Downvoted by cops

    AllNewTypeFace,
    @AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

    Jesus mother of fuck

    fiah,
    @fiah@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    people need to be on top of this shit to ban it with extreme prejudice

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