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deweydecibel, (edited ) in Baldur’s Gate 3 fans have created their own ad-free wiki

That’s fantastic news. It’s so lame how there hasn’t been any serious move to take wikis off Fandom and make them independent or even just on another platform. Fandom is just the worst, and it’s terrible that Google suggests it as the top result now over the independent wikis.

Like, Bulbapedia is head and shoulders a better resource than the Fandom Pokemon wiki. It’s been around forever, it’s very active, it has far more information, yet Google always suggests Fandom first anytime I do a Pokemon related search. It’s gross.

If anyone ever gets annoyed at Wikipedia asking for donations, go spend time on Fandom with ad blockers off, and remember that’s the end result of public information wikis relying on ads.

HereticalDoughnut,

I really cannot stand fandom sites. It always lacks content so pages are filled with useless information such as links to review sites. Also, it’s an atrocious experience on mobile.

yukichigai,
@yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

The number of CSS hacks needed to make the site anything but obnoxious even on desktop is obscene. Not just the ads, but the constant pushing of unrelated content and wikis, popovers, auto-play videos... it's awful.

HidingCat,

Yea, half of my custom rules in Ublock is all for Fandom.

HidingCat,

Content is all on the people contributing to the wiki, it's not Fandom's problem.

The shite experience though, totally is Fandom's.

Graphy,

If there’s a current existing wiki for a game but it’s a fandom then I don’t even try to contribute.

M500,

I hate fandom with a passion.

JustAnotherRando,

One of the few successful fan wikis that got away from fandom has been the Path of Exile community. I don’t play the game anymore because it just got to be too much for me and demand too much time, but I really appreciate that they collectively got pissed enough at fandom that they made sure that poewiki.net took off.

Edit: even better, the developers (Grinding Gear Games) apparently agreed to take over hosting of the wiki about a year ago so that the community members that started it didn’t have to deal with the financial burden. Definitely a good idea for them to take over hosting so there’s no concern of the owners taking a valuable resource offline.

Can_you_change_your_username,

uesp.net is another one. It's actually quite a bit older than fandom but I'm still going to count it.

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

UESP is ancient in game wiki terms, even just internet terms, wasn’t it made shortly after the release of daggerfall?

Can_you_change_your_username,

Arena was 94, uesp was 95, and daggerfall was 96. It was originally fansite that followed development news for daggerfall.

HidingCat,

Successful games really should have the dev/publisher hosting the wiki. It's better for everyone involved. I'll always appreciate Arenanet for hosting the Guild Wars 1 and 2 wikis.

Kecessa,

Heck, Blizzard was doing that in the D2 days, don’t know if it’s still the case, but everything was there!

rambaroo,

How is that better? They would stop hosting it once the game was old which leads to the same problem.

funnystuff97,

osrs wiki >>> runescape fandom wiki

EddyBot,

It’s so lame how there hasn’t been any serious move to take wikis off Fandom and make them independent or even just on another platform.

there is wiki.gg

point stands that Google still favors fandom so high that not many will actually find them

Callie,
@Callie@pawb.social avatar

it’s fairly annoying how SEO’ed Fandom and Fextralife are. The Don’t Starve wiki is borderline useless through both Fandom, but good luck finding the better Don’t Starve Wiki being listed through just a google search.

Thankfully we have extensions for browsers like IndieWikiBuddy that redirect to much better wikis getindie.wiki

PM_me_your_vagina_thanks, (edited ) in Are you fucking *kidding me?!?*

The cheeks also say "left cheek" and "right cheek" lmao

EDIT: Does the neck say "Larian"?

EDIT: the full neck is "Larian Studios", amazing

Stamets,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

I want to be so fucking angry but that’s just clever.

bane_killgrind,

There's a bug report somewhere I bet.

"Face tattoo puzzle regression: only default text shows"

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

They kind of broke the fourth wall with Karlach. It’d be epic if there’s an NPC out there that bursts out laughing when they see those tattoos.

TastyWheat, in Baldur’s Gate 3 fans have created their own ad-free wiki

Good! Fandom is fucking garbage. So much bullshit on the screen it’s hard to find the actual info on the page.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

There’s ads on the web?

Get thee uBlock origin or on mobile AdGuardDNS or rethinkDNS

Fandom is still trash tho…

zurohki,

uBlock Origin works on Firefox mobile.

Also, remember that you can make uBlock filters for random bullshit like Fandom’s side bars and suggestions, not just paid ads.

Psythik,

Yes but you should still use Adguard DNS to block ads outside of Firefox.

Also the DuckDuckGo app to stop apps from tracking you.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Ya, I have uBlock on mull, DNS blockers get all your other apps too tho.

Callie,
@Callie@pawb.social avatar

Antifandom.com

It strips all the advertising and fandom bs from fandom itself

Annoyed_Crabby, in Are you fucking *kidding me?!?*
Stamets,
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

You motherfucker. I was sat here for a minute like “Wait… whats the joke? I guess the image is loading… Oh you bastard.”

neoman4426,

Note, that's not the joke, wikia images are just weird. For whatever reason the ?cb=whatever bit causes hotlinking to fail. Stripping that leads to an image of a ...bouncer? from the show Gravity Falls with face tattoos reading "head" and "chin" https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gravityfalls/images/3/35/S1e3_works_for_me.png

Taako_Tuesday,

I was gonna post the same thing!

TigrisMorte, in Baldur's Gate 3 Caused A 40 Percent Rise In Digital Revenue For Hasbro

Wait, you mean if it is good and worth the money it sells and if it is a cheap worthless cash grab it does not????? Someone call Corporate!

MagicShel,

Corporate isn’t going to take away the lessons we might hope. Folks at corporate at going to ask things like, “how much money was left on the table?” They can only fuck things up through paying attention.

Wootz,

The takeaways that will make it to the steering group PowerPoint:

  • VideoGames based on our IP sell better than expected.
  • Sales of our other digital products follow suit
  • Larian Studios did this with minimal oversight
  • No reason to assume any and all VideoGame products based on other IPs would not follow similar pattern
  • Call to action: Fund additional Hasbro IP based VideoGames.
Grass,

You know corporate will assume the opposite on all points though

time_lord,

Gve me a slay the spire style mtg and I’d be all over it.

Ashtear,

Don’t give me hope. I still play Shandalar from time to time.

Dagnet,

Let’s not forget it has no DRM either. AAA studios told us that no game can do well without DRM

joelfromaus,
@joelfromaus@aussie.zone avatar

The funny thing is I (and probably many others) didn’t even consider pirating it. It had great reviews and was readily available pretty much everywhere without any obvious drawbacks. So I spent full price for it.

My point; DRM doesn’t matter if you produce and sell your game in a consumer friendly way.

Dagnet,

No regional pricing tho so I will wait for a sale

vxx,

Not to mention that full price was up to 20 bucks cheaper than other new releases.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I won’t lie. I flew the black flag on BG3. I’ll pick it up when it goes on a Steam sale, but I’m just not going to spend $60 on a video game no matter how good.

TigrisMorte,

Inflation happens, even to the costs of producing a game, but no sale was lost through your efforts.

s_s,
@s_s@lemmy.one avatar

Kill the p2w whales and you kill shit games

BananaTrifleViolin, in Baldur's Gate 3 Voice Actor Claims There's A Two-Hour Section Of The Game No One Has Found Yet

This has already been confirmed a non story. He said this around the launch time and Larian have since confirmed that the section has been found and played.

This article shows the poor state of gaming "journalism". Stories taken from each other and no actual work done by the "journalist". So false rumours spread.

Kotaku have an updated version of the story, link below. I have no idea if they broke the story first or are another of the copycats though.
https://kotaku.com/baldurs-gate-3-astarion-voice-actor-hidden-area-section-1850860934

Viking_Hippie,

I’m still going to pretend that he was just in character as Astarion making it up to fuck with us all 😁

echo64, in Ex-Skyrim Developer Explains the Key Difference Between Bethesda Games and Baldur’s Gate 3 | IGN

It’s worth noting that this guy is talking not of old Bethesda but modern Bethesda. The writing team behind Morrowind and half of Oblivion absolutely cared about the details that only 1% of people might see. Morrowind especially is a world built around you exploring the world building. It’s not about levelling up (wowee I can miss the flying fuckheads 2% less now), it was about exploring the politics and cultures in the world.

At some point, Bethesda games became about the mechanical exploration, about going over there because that looks like it might be interesting, oh it’s just a cave with combat in it oh well maybe over there will be interesting.

GeneralEmergency,

Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.

halvo317,

Howso?

chunkystyles,

People enjoy shitting on things and loudly, hyperbolicly saying that they are objectively bad and the worst thing ever. Especially Skyrim.

It’s ok to not like the game or even hate it. Doesn’t make it objectively bad or somehow the downfall of video games.

echo64,

Eh, let op make the point before jumping on it like this.

uranibaba,

I was very disappointed with the lack of cities. I wish i had oblivion in skyrim.

GeneralEmergency,

So many games wanted to be the next Skyrim, and so they brought over a lot of its systems and design choices. Including the bad ones.

The flood of games going open world, reliance on mods, and marketing through memes.

halvo317,

I can’t think of many games that do that. I can’t really think of anyone that tries to be like Bethesda games in the bad ways.

768,

Skyrim is twelve years old.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

And the stagnation it caused in the genre is evident, no?

halvo317,

No. Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, and Baldur’s Gate 3 all draw influence from Skyrim. I think open world games are better because of Skyrim.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

Dragon Age: Inquisition and Witcher 3 both began development in the same year Skyrim released. I don't know if I can really say they were influenced by Skyrim because of the timing, but I haven't played either.

Baldur's Gate 3 drawing influence from Skyrim I will have to vehemently disagree with. That assertion just makes no sense at all.

jettrscga,

Dungeons and Dragons is literally just a Skyrim knockoff that uses dice.

subignition,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

That one was tough without /s, but ha ha. :)

halvo317,

Are you saying none of the developers played Skyrim? Even if you’re designing to not be Skyrim, you’re still influenced by it.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Are you saying none of the Skyrim’s developers played Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2? Did you?

halvo317,

Did RPG game developers play an RPG before developing an RPG? Yes. That’s how influences work. I didn’t play BG1 or BG2 because I was a child.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Did RPG game developers play an RPG before developing an RPG? Yes.

So, what the point of your comment about Skyrim then ?

I didn’t play BG1 or BG2 because I was a child.

Maybe you should begin with that before saying Skyrim had any influence on BG3, don’t you think?

halvo317,

My point was that Skyrim didn’t ruin RPGs because there still exists demand for RPGs and quality content. Without seminal games like Skyrim, you don’t get proper investment in games like BG3.

joneskind, (edited )
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Without seminal games like Skyrim, you don’t get proper investment in games like BG3.

What are you even trying to say? BG3 wouldn’t exist without Skyrim? did you ever play Diablo 1 or 2? World Of Warcraft during Burning Crusade or Wrath Of The Lich King?

Skyrim didn’t bring anything new. Skyrim is just a drop in the ocean, with no impact on Baldur’s Gate 3, as there were tons of greater and more impactful games before that.

halvo317,

In the form it is today? No. You don’t get $100M to develop the game if you don’t have previous titles selling 60M copies.

joneskind, (edited )
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Now we’re talking about money? Do you have the slightest idea of how much of a cash cow WoW have been for Blizzard since 2004? In 2010 WoW had more than 10 millions subscribers. $100m a month, not counting the price of the expansion packs.

What about GTA? 400 millions copies sold.

Skyrim could have failed miserably, you’d still be able to play BG3 in is exact same form as today. Skyrim is no exception. As a matter of fact, Skyrim wouldn’t exist if it was not for previous successful games.

You are overly and pointlessly focused on Skyrim.

halvo317,

You named two games that are entirely different. Those two made their money on multiplayer. Skyrim is a single player RPG experience that encourages mods. Skyrim’s success as a single player experience enabled games like Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 and Divinity OS2 to get the funding they needed to become fully realized.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

lol

What does Skyrim, a first person realtime 3D game has to do with Baldur’s Gate games? Absolutely nothing.

So what’s the point of even bringing it in the conversation, if by your own words I am not allowed to bring different type of games?

Stop making U-turns every time I tell you things you don’t want to hear.

halvo317,

Skyrim is a triple A RPG. I haven’t made one change to my argument. My argument is not even my argument. It’s the “Standing on the shoulders of giants” metaphor. If you like what you see today, then you have to give credit to the works that impacted the current environment.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

I won’t because it’s BS

BG3 has nothing to do with Skyrim. The gameplay has nothing to do with it. The story has nothing to do with it either. BG3 exists because of BG1 and BG2. You would know that if you’ve ever played one of those game. But you didn’t because you are to young to know shit. As a matter of fact, every Larian’s game exists because of Baldur’s gate. The world didn’t begin the day you grab your first controller you know?

Now, if we stop talking about gameplay and talk about money like you did, BG3 never had to wait for Skyrim to be a success, as there were tremendously successful games before Skyrim already.

Keep repeating yourself if you like, it won’t change how wrong you are.

halvo317,

Why is BG3 not BioWare if it evolved on its own merits? You don’t even have a point you’re trying to make. You just want to tell me that I’m wrong. In order for me to be wrong, one of the most influential games ever would have to have zero influence on the development, funding, or reception of Baldur’s Gate 3. You don’t have any argument because I literally can’t be wrong about it.

  • If Larian tried to make a game that wasn’t Skyrim, it’s still a positive impact that Skyrim had.
  • If Larian wanted to make one of the best RPGs, then they’d have to make it better than Skyrim. Net impact, good.
  • If Larian wanted to make a business case for why they deserved $100M to develop, then they pointed to the success that Skyrim had as validation.

If you think that no one in the 6 years of development compared the game to Skyrim in any way whatsoever or any game inspired by Skyrim, then you have an opinion so dumb that it’s not worth talking to you.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Skyrim is not the most influential game ever… you’re timeline is broken by your own ignorance.

I don’t have « a point to make » for someone who’s just spitting nonsense.

You keep repeating the same BS.

I gave you facts you keep ignoring.

  • Skyrim’s and Baldur’s Gate gameplay are nothing alike.
  • Skyrim wasn’t the first nor the most successful game ever.

I gave you historical references that you keep ignoring too.

Not arguments. Facts.

Now live in a fantasy if you want. Why should I care?

halvo317,

You admitted that you don’t have a point. Lol. I’m going to go play a rogue/fighter/wizard and fight dragons and have my choices impact the outcome and be a dragonborn and have mods.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck are you talking about?

halvo317,

Those are things in both games, numb nuts.

Or what about the mother figure in the dark cult of assassins?

Night Mother from Skyrim

Orin’s Mother from BG3

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Do you really think Skyrim invented the trope of the Mother figure?

Are you that much illiterate?

For fuck sake, open a damn book.

halvo317,

I thought you said the only thing that influenced BG3 was BG1 and BG2. Now I have to read books?

joneskind, (edited )
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Play BG1 and BG2 if you can’t read…

At this point I’m expecting you to tell me that BG3 copied Skyrim because there are Elves and Dwarfs and Dragons in both of them…

You do realize that the Mother figure in both Skyrim and Baldur’s Gate is a representation of Lilith, first wife of Adam and mother of all demons right? Which is a figure at least as old as the fucking Old Testament? Right? Have you ever heard about Dante’s Hell?

Now, do you realize how ignorant you look like right now?

halvo317,

I’ll bite. Show me the Old Testament RPG where a dead mother figure is standing in a coffin in an assassin cult, and I’ll concede. Here’s your chance.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

I just can’t count how many movies since the very fucking 1900´s got that very fucking scene.

How creative it would be if someone put that scene in an RPG, wouldn’t it? Like « Radio on the Internet » if you can get that joke.

Well, maybe you should start with fucking Diablo 1 then.

Don’t forget to wash your teeth before going to sleep kiddo.

halvo317,

So you can’t name one. Got it. Lol

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

Look, kiddo, let me pontificate for a minute.

You seem like a decent person. A lefty who loves cats? Definitely my jam. But man, you’re just terrible at arguments.

You can’t just spit opinions and expect people with actual knowledge to agree with you.

I get it, you love Skyrim and you want to think it’s a genius piece of art which invented everything. But it’s simply not true. It’s a just a rewriting of very old stories. Like almost every RPGs to be honest - and the books LOTR, and the books GOT, and everything Fantasy really - but that’s not the point.

I simply hope you don’t make political arguments the way you led that conversation, because damn that was bad.

halvo317,

I didn’t even play Skyrim until 2020. I think it’s like a B-. You have no idea where I’m coming from opinion wise. I didn’t say an opinion. I’m saying that BG3 was influenced by Skyrim. That’s all I’ve tried to say this whole time.

This is legitimately not an opinion that I’ve tried to convey. It’s insane to me that you think the impact is 0.00000%. It’s not a coherent thought. It’s like saying my uncle didn’t have any impact on me because my dad is older than he is.

I’m not arguing an opinion. I am not mad at this or debating a position. I’m stating a fact and am being told it’s not a fact. I’m shocked that you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. If you think I’m arguing, then you must not understand what I’m trying to say.

If you are upset by what I’m saying, then I am genuinely concerned. I don’t know what part of what I’m saying can be so wrong that you feel the best to argue. This is surreal to me. Can you acknowledge what I’m trying to say?

My entire statement is “Skyrim had a non-zero impact on Baldur’s Gate 3”. Do you understand that is what I’m saying?

halvo317,

Not one instance then? Huh. I guess you aren’t right.

joneskind,
@joneskind@lemmy.world avatar

LMAO

Try opening your eyes wider for a sec?

Or maybe you’re just so unbelievably stupid you don’t even know what the Old Testament is ? Gotta admit « Old Testament RPG » is a fun way to talk about the Bible.

RedAggroBest,

Divinity OS2 to get the funding they needed to become fully realized

Divinity

Get the funding they needed

Lol don’t talk out your ass just cuz your point is running out of steam. I don’t wholly disagree that Skyrim wasn’t a massive impact in gaming, but it wasn’t this massive turning point for RPGs to suddenly become popular.

Skyrim was an ambitious project that somehow didn’t bite Bethesda in the ass. It taught tons of valuable lessons including laying the grounds for the great open worlds we have now. Nobody in 2011 was imagining games having the scale of open world we see in shit like Elden Ring, but Skyrim showed a glimpse to the future.

The flip of that being that Skyrim didn’t save RPGs from disappearing and they were already a massively popular genre and to say that future RPGs relied on its success, especially 12 years down the road, is a huge overstatement that reeks of fanboyism.

halvo317,

I think we made some progress in my point, so I just want to try to drive it home. The original argument was “Skyrim was a blight on the games industry.”

The reason I am trying to say that “Skyrim is influential on modern RPGs” is to disagree with the blight comment. I believe there are many ways that modern RPGs benefit from Skyrim’s contribution to the genre.

If Skyrim were truly a blight, we’d have more like the new Assassins Creed where it’s a massive world with little content to discover. To me, the problem with that argument though is that Skyrim and Assassin’s Creed are still pretty fun without the narrative content.

Dalek_Thal, (edited )
@Dalek_Thal@aussie.zone avatar

FWIW, one of the lead developers of Dragon Age Inquisition confirmed that a lot of decisions around that game were EA wanting them to make Skyrim (for instance, the addition of mounts) Source: youtu.be/4Q5_RsII_Ho?si=a9CTmyHpEpgfuPTe

DigitalPaperTrail,

on release, skyrim was lauded as being ambitious af. and many reviews being surprised it wasn't bethesda biting off more than they could chew (yes, even with the bugs)

but after the perpetual string of rereleases, I can understand the general public forgetting that zeitgeist

ringwraithfish,

Skyrim is a great game.... for its time. Todd Howard is the blight on the games industry for putting so many resources toward so many Skyrim remasters/re-releases/money grabs. Even if he outsourced all that work, those are dev houses he could have spent their time helping Bethesda actually fill their huge open worlds and perhaps get the same feeling of "every decision actually matters" that Larion did.

papabobolious,

It’s good in some ways. I was disappointed in the removal of attributes and how the equipment stats were kind of simplified and boring. The lack of proper stat scaling, since there’s no stats.

I was also sad to see spellmaking go.

There’s still plenty of good in it, don’t get me wrong.

surewhynotlem,

Skyrim is great if you want to be a stealth archer.

ringwraithfish,

Is there any other way to play?

EmpathicVagrant,

No. That’s why it’s the only time Skyrim is a good game.

Nima,
@Nima@lemmy.world avatar

every build is viable. the stealth archer meme seems a bit overdone to me.

Malix, in Patch #4 Now Live!
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

“If you decapitate Karlach before having spoken to her and then resurrect her, she’ll no longer spend the rest of the game headless.”

Man, some interactions in this game are wild.

EmergMemeHologram,

Who would classify that as a bug?

Malix,
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

I guess it would be funny for a bit, but get old in the long run…

Ask Karlach to join the party

You hear happy gurgling noises emerge from Karlachs stumpy neck

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Ichabod Crane was mad Karlach was stealing his spotlight.

Nepenthe,
@Nepenthe@kbin.social avatar

Some fixes really should be optional

ono, (edited ) in Baldur’s Gate 3 fans have created their own ad-free wiki

Direct link: bg3.wiki

It’s very good already, and as a fan-run site, I’m willing to spend time contributing to it. What a refreshing change it is to get away from Fandom/Wikia and Fextralife. Nice work, Taylan!

Donebrach, in 'The Game Just Fundamentally Undermines Itself': Game Designer Breaks Down 'Baldur's Gate 3's Most Fatal Flaws
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

“This is a bad game because the bad choices are not marked red and the good ones are not marked green” -“Game Designer” turned “Professor” of game design at some random college, as reported by one of his Discord students.

Thanks for sharing.

twistypencil,

Yeah exactly… I was hoping for something more insightful, but it just made me feel that is you get to this level you become rigid in your ideas and reductionist in trading this apart to match your rigidity. Can’t say I completed the whole article though, because at some point I got fed up with the argumentation

TotallyNotADolphin, in TIL: 20's Critical Success wins even if requirement was higher than 20

Yep, bg3 implememted the optional rule of nat 20 always being a success and nat 1 always being a failure

pyrflie,

Except for the one check in Act 3. That still fails even with a nat 20.

Piecemakers3Dprints,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Shhhh

TCBloo,

The 99 check?

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

I was kinda sad that failed.

TheWildTangler,

I was tempted to scum that check (rollback after beating game) just to see what happened but I guess it would have been a waste of time

bouh,

It actually succeed, and it has an effect later.

bookmeat,

Later?! What is it?

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Reduced health for the affected entity.

bouh,

Spoiler

So I succeeded the DC99 check with a crit success (it was my only success in these checks). Later, at the end, in the very final fight, the netherbrain started with about 60 less hp and a debuff that said that it was very surprised I could succeed this check (not the exact words but you get the idea).

Iirc it started with 246hp instead of 300. I don’t remember if the debuff did something else.

bookmeat,

Ah, cool. Thanks 👍

kogasa,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

I savescummed a lot through my first playthrough. This time I didn’t. Failed the first 2 rolls but hit the nat 20 on this one. That was cool.

Viking_Hippie,

And the one in Act 1 where you fail what you’re trying to regardless of the check, making it pointless.

TheWildTangler,

I saved there and was tempted to go back and scum it after beating the game and now I’m glad I didn’t sit there trying to get it

Wermhatswormhat,

Is it really an optional rule? I play dnd and we’ve always treated it like that. Maybe our group just subscribes to the rule. But that’s really handy on those 25+ locked doors!

TotallyNotADolphin,

It’ probably one of the most used optional rules, but it is one. It is a lot of fun to have that nat 20 turn a hairy situation around :)

SzethFriendOfNimi, in Are you fucking *kidding me?!?*

Clever. Less chance for …. Cultural misunderstandings in some markets.

Stamets, (edited )
@Stamets@startrek.website avatar

True. I just had this whole image in my head for one of my characters. He had those tattoos and got them when he started worshipping Bhaal. Meanwhile they’re just like… infernal IKEA instructions. Dunno whether to shake the hand of someone at Larian or slap them.

WarmSoda,

Definitely fist bump

Cylusthevirus,
@Cylusthevirus@kbin.social avatar

Imagine doing some elaborate deal with Raphael for the promise of greater power through understanding of infernal runes only to get this fucking translation done.

I would die laughing.

godot, in I have 250+ hours in this game and i just realized you can just USE the SHOVEL if you fail the Survival check.

“Give me a perception check.”

“Fourteen total.”

“You don’t notice anything different .”

“I get out my shovel.”

ono,

DM quietly raises encounter difficulty in response to metagaming

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

loudly smacks DM with the shovel

Uniquitous,

DM should have rolled for the player secretly if they didn’t want to call attention.

MimicJar,

It depends on your table, but I disagree.

If I ask the party for a perception check and they all fail the party should be aware of their choices (in this case, perception is important). If I then surprise them with an enemy they are clear why that happened.

Alternatively in this case it’s to locate something, maybe they want to spend a luck point, flash of genius, or other similar ability.

Flambo,

Better still, use passive scores since this is what they’re for. If you want your players to make active checks, give them a narrative reason.

But I’m also of the opinion that the more you run your D&D like you’d run anything Powered by the Apocalypse, the better it becomes.

nocturne213,

Sometimes I ask for perception checks when there is nothing to notice out of the ordinary just to see them squirm.

funktion,

My old DM would do this.

He would also sometimes hand players little notes: often full of info that their character would know but had to be kept secret from other players.

But sometimes, the note would be empty aside from a request for the player to not say anything.

The level of tension when the DM hands out a note to everyone but you is… something.

Thrashy,

One of the reasons why, as a DM, I like the Passive Perception mechanic in 5e. It takes some of the thrill of a roll away from the players, but it gives me the tools to resolve these sorts of situations without tempting the players to metagame.

setsneedtofeed, in Glowup
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Imagine thinking that de-gothing is an improvement

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givesomefucks, in This happens way too often

They need to let someone else take over dialogue, I don’t know why that’s not a thing.

Rogue,

It’s a really odd mechanic that only one person is involved in the conversation. Are the rest of the party just stood back twiddling their thumbs? Very rarely do people converse like that in real life.

ada,
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Solasta does this really well, and it surprised me when I couldn’t do the same in BG3

Pyr_Pressure,

It really does diminish the power of tailoring your party to specialties.

If the guy I’m talking to starts being a dick why can’t I choose to have my badass character intimidate him? If they’re nice why can’t I use my charismatic character? Should be able to choose who responds to what whenever you like, it would make dialogue with NPCs so much more involved.

Eufalconimorph,

Intimidation is a charisma skill. A hulking half-orc barbarian with violent tendencies is less intimidating than the party bard.

As a piper, obviously, the bard could threaten to play the bagpipes out of tune so I can see where WotC were going with making it a Cha skill, but still.

papalonian,

The way I RP it in my head is the bard is telling the NPC, “I’ll have my buddy here fuck you up”

Nacktmull,
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Does that allow pre-buffing the rest of the party during a conversation that leads to a fight, like in DoS2?

bouh,

It varies. In some dialogue the whole group is taken, but in most other you can do your life while someone is talking. Some actions may start a fight during the dialogue though (offensive or forbidden actions).

Nacktmull,
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Good to hear that some DoS2 style cheese made it into BG3 :)

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