StevenSaus,
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This... this hit, and Occam (along with what I know of sociology and economics and such) all track wit h this insight as well.

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stonebear,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy

The flip side of this is that with the advent of the Internet, it's become easy for us neurovariants ( m'self) to find one another, and (just barely) safe to talk about it out loud... this alongside gender non-conformity, which at least from my POV has an eye-raisingly high correlation with neurovariance... the mainstream is like "all the kids are coming out with pronouns!"

GUESS WHAT?! So are us Aulde Phartes. Because we CAN.

StevenSaus,
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@stonebear @autisticadvocacy @Zumbador

There's a good part of me that wonders if there's a correlation between a wider range gender expression (and relationship diversity, perhaps) and the neurospicy tendency to look at conventions that have no reasoning behind them and then ignore the (stupid) conventions and just do what makes sense/ feels "correct" to us.

I am a cishet dude, so I may be VERY VERY off-base here. Thoughts?

stonebear,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy @Zumbador I don't think you're too far off base; certainly close enough to get back on if you see the catcher try to throw you out...

Though, speaking from experience, sometimes we need a clue-bat (or two or three) to realise that those conventions are questionable at all... but once one assumption gets yanked out of the normativity Jenga stack, there's a high potential for the whole thing to come crashing down.

In a good way.

CookieCat,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy

Yes - this is very real. Im AuDHD and wondering when exactly I will burn out so bad I can't work anymore and I just have to move move in with family or some other situation.

I'm trying my damndest to create a life that I won't totally burn out from but also that is impossible under capitalism.

Also back during our parents days (my parents were boomers) you could work part time and still be okay. Like you didn't have to make so much money to get by. You could work a pretty chill lower paying job (full or part time) and be able to afford rent and maybe even eventually save up to buy a house. I make more now than I ever thought I'd make in a year and STILL can't afford to buy a house.

It is a really harsh world - I am hopeful we can change that in our lifetimes.

CookieCat,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy I also feel like pre neo liberal capitalism there was more time and resources for community centered care (informal and formal).

Capitalism thrives in division of communities. It's extremely difficult and isolating to try to survive on your own - so you become more reliant on capitalist solutions like meal delivery etc the more you become disengaged from your community. That means you have to work more to pay for these solutions - so you have less time to build and sustain community.

It's why capitalism favors the nuclear family. The more isolated we are, the easier we are to control.

The push towards individualism only got worse with neoliberal policy, and it's part of why we've seen social safety nets get smaller and smaller over the years AND also why surviving under capitalism while neurodivergent is more and more difficult.

topaz,
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@CookieCat @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy Things like meal delivery aren't inherently capitalistic and impersonal things can still be maintained in other systems.

We're not going to rely on your "Community™". Community community community community. No thanks. We're various sorts of things that tend to alienate us from... all humans, basically (we're not human)... so yeah we're kinda distrustful of the whole "everyone should rely on their community!!" stuff.

StevenSaus,
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@topaz @CookieCat @autisticadvocacy

That has always tended to be my experience among everyone except neurospicy folks. It's not a universal among us, either, but it's a far better success rate.

Nobody's forcing nothing, though.

minervakoenig,
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cavyherd,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy

Counterpoint: there IS something in the air and water that's affecting austism rates:

It's called Capitalism.

/s

Tucker,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy this actually makes a lot of sense - and it’s horrifying.

Leo_Fie,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy I wonder how much the exploitation of disabled people (as opposed to the exploitation of non-disabled workers) is dependent on the legal framework in each country. In Germany there is a whole "special school to Werkstatt" pipeline, but it only works because disabled people aren't legally employees, so no minimum wage and no rights. Otherwise their accomodations would be to expensive to generate profit.

lanIka,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy Holy... I am neurodivergent and this one rang too true to comfort. Late stage capitalism is killing us all. I know that my days are numbered.

At this point in existence I don't think there's neurotypical people, everybody has quirks, society tries to make people shave parts of themselves to fit a pre-established mold and it sickens everyone on the long run. Some last more, just so.

Western culture lost community and with it support and care for each other.

acrousey,
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@lanIka @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy

My wife has a tattoo of a lyric from The Decemberists' "Don't Carry It All":
-The neighbor's blessed burden within reason, becomes a burden borne of all and one.

Everyone has their issues. But if we all come together and help each other out, then maybe we can make it out just fine. That's not what we do in modern society. Instead, it's like "if you don't fit this mold, go find another". We're at the point where we try to save the tools over the people.

lanIka,
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@acrousey @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy There's still plenty of groups with varied ethnicities around the world that keep this worldview but they are disappearing, some at gunpoint. The march of money for shareholders can't be deterred.

I_Like_Books,
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@lanIka @acrousey @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy I was going to point out that it is a capitalism thing and that the original toot could very well add the hashtag Anticapitalist or Anticapitalism

lanIka,
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@I_Like_Books @acrousey @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy Maybe you didn't get my first answer, but I said that in the first paragraph.

https://mastodon.design/@lanIka/110898964380336224

CynAq,

@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy lol, I was just armchair theorizing yesterday about this exact topic and my conclusion, including "more and more neurodivergent people" was exactly the same.

nazokiyoubinbou,
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@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy Man, this really does hit. I can personally attest to this one. It's becoming harder and harder to jam my own square peg into the smaller round hole which society demands I fit in.

I really hope there is a better answer than what the canaries got.

mmby,
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@nazokiyoubinbou @StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy
a sliver of hope in that analogy is that even then, some thought of the fate of the canaries as well:
https://blog.scienceandindustrymuseum.org.uk/canary-resuscitator/

MariaTheMartian,

@StevenSaus @autisticadvocacy canaries in the coalmine ​:bhjflag_autism:​

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