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blakeus12, in Are we living in a baby universe that looks like a black hole to outsiders?
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how could this be ‘plausible’, it makes no sense based on how we currently understand black holes.

PP_BOY_, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe
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I’ve always been interested in black holes. In college I’d lie in my bed at night and try to imagine what it would feel like to enter one

southsamurai,
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You’d be like a limp noodle

Spaghetti_Hitchens,

Pretty sure there's a pill for that

Uncle_Bagel,

Not for a supermassive black hole.

PhlubbaDubba,

You’d slowly be turning into a limp noodle as you approach the singularity from the event horizon

GrammatonCleric, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe
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Well, that sucks

kalkulat,
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Heavy, man.

xantoxis, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

It’s weird that it’s a round number

Minarble,

You might be on to something here.

Spzi,

For large estimates, it would be suspicious if it wasn’t round.

The number is 40,000,000,000,000,000,000. That can mean two different things.

  1. It’s exactly that many. Not ,001, not ,999. That is your “assumption”.
  2. Not all of those digits are significant digits.

To illustrate with an example of that article:

if a length measurement yields 114.8 mm, using a ruler with the smallest interval between marks at 1 mm, the first three digits (1, 1, and 4, representing 114 mm) are certain and constitute significant figures.

Let’s assume they measured these 40 quintillion with a “ruler” which has a resolution of 1 quintillion. In that case, they could just as well say the number is 40.1539577 quintillion, or dream up any other combination of digits after the leading ‘40’ (like, for example “000,000,000…”). Because they don’t know.

But if they noted a non-zero string of digits, readers would wrongly assume their ruler has sufficient precision to measure these smaller digits.

So this notation conveys two insights:

  1. We know the first digit(s): It’s 4. (and maybe 40, 400, …)
  2. We don’t know the smaller digits, but we do know the magnitude.

So a non-round number would be suspicious, because it pretends to have precision which it most certainly cannot have.

niktemadur, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

A gaggle of singularities?
A swarm. A hive. A parliament.

No, no… a SCHOOL of singularities!

PhlubbaDubba,

a SUCC of singularities

perviouslyiner, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

🎵 “now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall

I_Has_A_Hat, in Nasa can’t open its asteroid capsule - Tortoise

Lol, this reeks of the occasional stupidity behind necessary red tape. For those that didn’t read it, 2 of the fasteners require tools to remove that are not certified for the pure nitrogen environment they’re working in. Because it’s NASA, I can guarantee there is a very tightly controlled list of tools that are allowed to be used in the lab; each of which has gone through hundreds of hours of testing, documentation, and approval by at least one board. So even though all they need is essentially just a screwdriver, it’s going to take weeks or months to get all the approvals in place to use it.

I 100% agree with the rules. You really don’t want to take any chances whatsoever in that field. It just occasionally leads to funny delays like this.

LastYearsPumpkin,

You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth there.

They’re dumb because there’s red tape, but the red tape is there so they don’t accidentally ruin the sample? It’s stupid, but it’s a good thing?

This is NASA, the smartest people in the world, who just spent a ton of time, money, and resources retrieving a small sample of material. They don’t want to fuck it up. The tools have to fit in the container, they have to not contaminate the material, they have to do one job and do it perfectly, and they have one chance at it.

Let them take a minute to think about it, there’s no rush here.

Heggico,

But they designed the container… they decided the environment to open it in… why haven’t they already tried and certified the tools needed to open it? Wasn’t that thought of in advance? Or is this just a case of, these tools should work, but for some reason failed? Which is what i’m assuming, since only 2 of the 35 can’t be removed, but still.

LastYearsPumpkin,

The article linked here is kind of crappy. It’s just a single fact stretched out into a couple of paragraphs with no context. Take a look at these real articles, they show the confined space the scientists and engineers are working in, and why it’s so important to take their time doing things right.

universetoday.com/…/osiris-rex-returned-carbon-an…

space.com/osiris-rex-asteroid-sample-passes-goal

If this was just a regular box, you spray some penetrating oil on it, or you can heat it, or you can crank on the bolt until it breaks, then drill out the remaining parts. But all of those options can ruin the sample inside.

This is a box with unique material, they have one chance to open it, and there is no time limit on opening the box. So they’re going to sit down and do some math and figure out the best way to open the box without ruining the contents. They’ll get it open, they just really really don’t want to fuck it up, cause they don’t get a second try at it.

Zoidsberg,
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Just grab the old acetylene torch and cut er open.

FigMcLargeHuge,

Meteor shit!

gnygnygny, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

It lacks precision

Steve, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

Observable universe? Or the theoretically infinite universe?

Fuck_u_spez_,

Article says observable. An infinite universe that’s homogeneous and isotropic would have an infinite number of… everything?

Steve,

Indeed.

octoperson, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe

I know it’s not relevant and nobody cares but those bigger -illion numbers really tick me off. Like, it was once was a perfectly usable system. It was a million to some power. So a quintillion is a 5-illion, is a million to the 5th power, is 10^30. Simple. But then headline writers got a hold of the words billion and trillion to sensationalise about stuff like national budgets, who cares if they’re using the right words for the right numbers, and now the pattern is broken. It’s, what? A thousand times a thousand raised to a power?

So 40 quintillion is … 40 × a thousand × a thousand to the fifth power, is … 4×10^(1+3+15), 4×10^19? Is that right? 40,000,000,000,000,000,000? Why does it have to be so difficult? It’s just numbers.

Kolanaki,
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It’s just numbers.

Numbillion numbers.

octoperson,

That’s numberwang!

Kolanaki, in There are 40 quintillion black holes in our Universe
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You counted them all?

aravindan_v,

I bet they didn’t count the one that’s in my heart…

SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT, in Astrobotic’s Peregrine lander arrives in Florida ahead of Christmas Eve Moon-bound launch

Dogecoin to the moon! /s

(The lander will contain a box of various mementos. Since the contents of that box were collected in the middle of the cryptocurrency craze, various groups of course included various tokens representing their favorite coin, especially as “to the moon” was and is a meme representing the desired massive rise in value.)

CJOtheReal, in China set up a tiny farm on the moon in 2019. How did it do?

They grow the Hundred Acre Wood

XTL,

But it’s in an undisclosed location and for party members only.

Car, in China set up a tiny farm on the moon in 2019. How did it do?

Massive TLDR:

“Eventually, it was reported that the sprouted plants had died, that the potatoes failed to sprout, and that the fruit flies failed to hatch. The total run time for the experiment was nine days instead of the planned 100.”

NateNate60,

An important addition to that may explain why: The lunar night approached -150° C and the experiment failed to keep the steady 24° C that it was supposed to maintain, so the plants died. I don’t think it was because growing plants on the moon is intrinsically impossible.

I also wonder how they expected 18 mL of water to last more than a few days anyway. Perhaps someone smarter than me can answer that.

KISSmyOS,

In a closed system the water isn’t going anywhere, so it’s possible that a very small amount of enough for 100 days.
I’m not a space gardener, though.

uphillbothways,
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2 week long nights will kill any plant, at least down to the roots. 2 week long days will kill most. Can't garden on moon. Not without grow lights. Maintaining temperature isn't enough.

snooggums,
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I also wonder how they expected 18 mL of water to last more than a few days anyway. Perhaps someone smarter than me can answer that.

In any enclosed system the water circulates through the plant, evaporates into the air, possibly condenses on surfaces, then is drawn back into the plants again. There is no need to add water as long as there is enough tongo through the cycle.

This was basically a heated terrarium that did not stay warm enough.

angrystego,

Plants grow mostly by sucking water into their cells, so the water should soon end up stuck in the plants if everything else went right. I suppose they did count with it, but 18 ml of water is still suprizingly little.

athos77,

The entire farm was about the size of an ice cube tray, and had a growing volume of about 2 cups. Terrariums in general would use about 6 tsps for a 2-cup terrarium; the Chinese experiment used about 3.5 tsps. I'm not sure why they used that amount of water; I would speculate (and it's only speculation) that the plants they choose didn't need more, or possibly the lower gravity on the moon meant that the water was generally more accessible to the plants.

AceQuorthon,

Just like when I try to take care of plants at home

otter, in Historic space photo: A monstrous 'Halloween storm' explodes from the sun
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Makes me think of Halloween candy: lemmy.ca/post/8423711

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