cooopsspace,

The US actually makes terrorists, and by extension refugees. If 9/11 wasn’t directly an inside job they probably let it happen or created the motive for the people involved.

Australia found an SAS soldier guilty of war crimes and were on video perpetuating a really nasty culture that almost certainly creates martyrs and needlessly extended our time in Afghanistan.

BaskinRobbins,

The SAS war crimes rabbithole is really depressing. It’s almost an open secret at this point.

Strangle,

Non-human intelligence has been around on earth for a very long time and the government knows a lot more about them than they would have us believe

arefx,

Like from another planet or from this planet?

Nevermore9197,

Both. The current language people are leaking and even testifying suggests that they may be from this planet but a different demention

ProfezzorDarke,

I also think you have dementia. It’s dimension fyi

And009,

Recently been seeing few American military and govt personnel coming out providing testimony against higher level of secrecy within the system. Is that actually stirring anything

the_kalash,

Like dolphines? I know about those, too!

Blamemeta, (edited )

I can’t prove it, but all this road contruction is a front, a con for money laundering.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, it almost is.

The major construction operations know by now how to game the system and how to milk the state for as much money as possible to complete a project after intentionally underbidding it. The play is not money laundering, per se, since the money all comes from public funds. The con is rather to drag feet and rack up as many man-hours and the biggest most padded materials invoice possible to get paid more so the management can pocket the difference.

There was a scandal in my state where a big construction company did this blatantly enough that even the uninformed public noticed, and after the inevitable lawsuit a judge finally had to step in and smack them with a per-day fine until they completed the work. This was because it was discovered that they were intentionally delaying in order to run out of their originally allotted budget so the could come crying back to the state for more, under the assumption that since the job was half finished the state would be forced to capitulate. Turned out, it didn’t work out that way this time.

I think this is less a case of a cabal in the back of some dark and smoke filled room, but more of capitalism mutating to its inevitable conclusion when the same players have had their same hand in the same cookie jar placed there by the same system for decades on end, with no functional oversight.

hactar42,

For proof of this just look at the Alaskan Highway. During World War 2 the Army built a 1,700 mile long highway from British Columbia to Alaska. There was zero infrastructure or existing routes along the way. Also they had to deal with mountains, permafrost, and all sorts of stuff using 1940s technology. Construction started in March 1942 and was completed in October of the same year. Or 7 months.

For comparison here in DFW they built an overpass between Hwy 820 and I-35W. No actual new roads, just a new overpass. It took them 7 fucking years.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

9/11 was a huge conspiracy and one of the easiest to see through in my opinion.

TheDoozer,

I don’t see the US government perpetrating the attack. I could see the US government getting good evidence it was going to happen, and just… letting it happen.

The former requires a whole bunch of people involved that would need to keep their mouth shut about the things they did. The latter can be completed by simply not doing anything (someone in charge saying someone else will look into it, treat it like a hoax, or just file it somewhere and otherwise do nothing). If they wanted some major attack to go through, a couple loyal (to the agency) sociopaths people already used to working in highly confidential operations could drop some suggestions and assistance into a terrorist cell and then sit back. It’s possible and knowing what we know about the government is not outside the realm of reason. Still, with no evidence of it, it is purely speculation, and believing it is an enormous leap from it being treated as a thought exercise.

The conspiracy theories that involve a bunch of workers installing explosives through the towers, etc, are unnecessarily complicated and implausible.

Billy_Gnosis,
@Billy_Gnosis@lemmy.world avatar

There is a huge hairy intelligent creature that roams the forests of North America. The government is aware of it’s existence.

oopy_soup,

It doesn’t have a name, not like an actual birth name but like a species?

some_guy,
@some_guy@kbin.social avatar

Steve

Glimpythegoblin,

That’s my uncle Charlie. Don’t mind him.

Pulptastic,

I saw a large barefoot hobo footprint on the snow in my lawn once.

shiroininja,

leave Ben Kissil alone!

chemicalwonka, (edited )
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Mark Zuckerberg a Lizard King

some_guy,

A secret service agent fired the kill shot at JFK when he fell forward in a moving vehicle.

Sandman89,

I take it further in my belief that it was entirely accidental.

JusticeForPorygon,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Imagine being the guy that has to carry the fact that they accidentally killed the youngest president in US history

glassware,

What’s the significance of falling forward in a moving vehicle?

An argument to convince people whose physics knowledge stops before Galileo?

DudePluto,

He forgot to mention that the theory is that it happened on accident. Thus he fell forward, causing him to misfire

some_guy,

As in accidental discharge when losing balance.

TheBlue22,

Watch a 2 part video about his assassination, this theory is complete bs

some_guy,

It was believed by a gun / ballistics expert who was the only person to complete the Oswald shot challenge in the time the shots were fired (I know, appeal to authority). It would also explain why there would be a coverup, as it would be deeply embarrassing during cold war times.

What’s your theory?

TheBlue22,

This theory is complete bollocs and ridiculous. There is not a single witness who saw this happen. Almost all heard the shots coming from the book depository, not two from there and one from the limo. The shot that killed JFK was vastly different from one that would be fired from an AR-16. Furthermore, this person who, according to this theory “shot kennedy” testified, that they were long in the overpass when he reached for his gun. Also it is PROVEN that oswald fired 3 shots, by 3 shell casings and massive amount of witness testimony.

Not to mention the fact that he wasn’t the only one to complete the oswald shot challenge. His shots were easy to reproduce, by anyone who would try it.

Finally, there wasnt a coverup, if any sort. Unless you think a massive report is a coverup, then i can’t help you.

My theory is that Oswald acted alone, fired 3 shots and killed JFK

some_guy,

Interesting. I was just going off of something I heard on a podcast, which I know isn’t necessarily authoritative. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure, so it’s not terribly interesting to me and I don’t bother with the topic much.

TheBlue22,

Thing is, we do know for sure. This is not a thing that is really debatable, the data only leads to one conclusion.

some_guy,

I don’t feel 100% on the data or that the data is complete. Either way, it ultimately doesn’t affect me so it’s fine that I don’t know how much I trust it.

UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN,

IIRC there is a diary entry of the agent that has been cited as evidence.

some_guy,

What was the substance of the entry, as best that you can recall?

UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN,

Good question. It was on a Channel 4 or 5 docu over here in the UK. I think it was generic, that he’d done something terrible due to a hangover or something. Bare in mind I saw it about 10 years back.

fubo,

Oswald shot JFK … but he was aiming for John Connally, against whom he had a grudge because he believed Connally had blocked Oswald’s request to have his dishonorable discharge expunged after he returned from the Soviet Union.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

That trump is carefully placed and chosen distraction. He was allowed to run as republican so that they could use him as a screen to hide their real plans.

I can’t honestly say I really believe it, not when the rest of it is thrown in, but that part I kinda, sorta think has merit.

The rest of the crazy is that he’s not only a plant, but that the ties to Russia, the convenient invasion of Ukraine, and the sudden leap to the proxy war going on their now (rather than when Russia first started fucking around there years ago) is all part of a plan by the military industrial complex to rise to cold war era riches again, with a long laundry list of companies like Halliburton.

This is not a conspiracy theory I’ve seen on the internet (not yet anyway). It’s one I’ve heard floating around at the shooting range I use that’s lgbtq+ friendly. Which only matters because that’s why I never expected to hear a conspiracy theory there of all places. I mean, a shooting range that’s almost exclusively used by people a bit further left than Bernie Sanders and the local pink pistols group, and a local lgbtq+ shooting group unaffiliated with the pink pistols.

Like, people don’t even discuss politics other than gun politics there usually. But the last three or four times I’ve been this year, there’s a little clique that’s been talking about it. I know them, and the is the first I’ve ever heard them get into this kind of thinking.

But that’s the least bullshit “conspiracy” that I’ve heard that wasn’t more of just a secret. Like, mk ultra shit where it isn’t really a conspiracy, it was classified, and there’s a difference between them.

NoIWontPickaName,

I honestly believed trump was a democrat plant to guarantee Hillary one.

They're going to reveal the whole trump presidency was fake any minute now.

Right guys? Please?

jantin,

It could make sense when compared to Brexit. The brexit referendum was supposed to be a 4D chess move from less insane Tories to shut down the new populist party and more radical conservatives. Instead we got shady meddling, “leave” won and they were actually forced to do it and shoot their both feet with a cannon.

Maybe the established powers in the US wanted to use Trump to channel extremism into him and have him lose to get rid of the sentiments. Instead some shady meddling happened etc.

Vilian,

Instead some shady meddling happened etc.

russia?

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

That would have been hilarious. Or hillaryious, I guess.

Sure as hell, nobody I knew (even the die hard republicans) thought he had a chance in hell at the time.

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

I maintain that his initial announcement of his candidacy was more a publicity stunt than anything else.

Then he realized he could actually win

potterpockets,

Kinda related to this, but we know prior to the 2016 Russia hacked the DNC emails and only really released info about them talking shit on/working against Bernie (potentially the most damaging info/most helpful to get Trump elected).

We also know that they hacked the RNC, but didnt release any info from it. And we also know the NRA was receiving Russian funds and then donating to Trump and other Republicans.

So it isnt far fetched to believe that between the carrot of campaign donations and the stick of leaking sensitive RNC emails Russia was attempting to force the RNC to force a potential Russian asset in power to cripple/break up NATO to continue Russia’s expansion into Western Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.

Imagine the lack of support given the invasion of Ukraine if Trump were president. If anything Trump would jump on recognizing the gains as Russian territory.

MonsiuerPatEBrown, (edited )

a next level civilization moved here and lives in the ocean doing their thang. and we have to use super fancy machines to even notice them.

Galtiel,

Why do you believe that?

mr47,

And the oceans are too cold for them, so they are pushing us towards global warming, right?

DragonAce,

Someone recently watched The Abyss

Send_me_nude_girls,
@Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de avatar

The Italian aliens.

wazoobonkerbrain,

Italians are aliens?!?

Send_me_nude_girls,
@Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de avatar

So many UFO landed there. Coincidence?

Dicska,

🤌Italien🤌

Sightline,

Is this the pancake story?

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

The US, UK, Israel, China and Russia infiltrating my country.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.world avatar

I think between those 5, there’s not a country on the planet that hasn’t been infiltrated.

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

All at the same time? What country are you from?

Anti_Weeb_Penguin, (edited )
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

The south american country with huge territorial claims

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

Brazil?

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

Brazil doesn’t have territorial claims

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

So we’re only considering claims to land that is not possessed by the country. In that case I’d guess Argentina because Falklands.

Chuymatt,

That doesn’t narrow it down…

Perfide,

Can you be any more specific? That narrows it down to “Not North Sentinel Island, probably”

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar
Gork,

What if one of those countries secretly visited North Sentinel Island with some guys in Crysis-like stealth exoskeletons to gather information? Anthropologists who are trained like a SEAL Team.

Perfide,

Hence “probably”. I haven’t completely ruled it out, although nominally speaking the island is Indias territory so they probably wouldn’t be very happy. Which doesn’t mean very much, admittedly.

johnlawrenceaspden,

Seed oilz baaaad!

blazera,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

No plane hit Tower 7

HonoraryMancunian,

…people think one did?

blazera,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Tower 7 fell like the twin towers did. But it wasnt hit.

Notyou,

If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the building 7 was connected to the towers underground. That might have dealt damage to the structure with the fires and impacts. I have no idea if that is why building 7 fell, but it was a theory.

blazera,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

Much of the debate around the twin towers falling was the effects of how hot jet fuel can burn and its effect on the steel structure, with engineers concluding while it wouldnt melt, it would weaken the already damaged structure enough for it to collapse.

But again, no planes hit Tower 7, there was no jet fuel, and no damaged structure, making it a skyscraper collapsing purely by fire, which has never happened in the history of skyscraper fires.

HonoraryMancunian,

That’s because normally they’re seen to by firefighters, but this one was left to burn for about 7 hours (as its was empty and their efforts were obviously elsewhere)

captain_samuel_brady,

Most if not all of the privacy related services (VPNs, Tor, etc) are compromised. On the plus side, I think that pirating media with those services is completely safe.

HurlingDurling,

I belive there are aliens hidden in Area 51 and there is a secret tunnel network across the US that let’s these aliens move without being seen.

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