coffeemonster,

9/11

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

The US, UK, Israel, China and Russia infiltrating my country.

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.world avatar

I think between those 5, there’s not a country on the planet that hasn’t been infiltrated.

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

All at the same time? What country are you from?

Anti_Weeb_Penguin, (edited )
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

The south american country with huge territorial claims

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

Brazil?

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar

Brazil doesn’t have territorial claims

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

So we’re only considering claims to land that is not possessed by the country. In that case I’d guess Argentina because Falklands.

Chuymatt,

That doesn’t narrow it down…

Perfide,

Can you be any more specific? That narrows it down to “Not North Sentinel Island, probably”

Anti_Weeb_Penguin,
@Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world avatar
Gork,

What if one of those countries secretly visited North Sentinel Island with some guys in Crysis-like stealth exoskeletons to gather information? Anthropologists who are trained like a SEAL Team.

Perfide,

Hence “probably”. I haven’t completely ruled it out, although nominally speaking the island is Indias territory so they probably wouldn’t be very happy. Which doesn’t mean very much, admittedly.

potterpockets,

MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.

flipht,

It's insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn't a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn't say out loud to fight the "red menace."

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the "leftists" and put them in camps.

I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.

potterpockets,

Fun new things keep coming out.

agitatedpotato,

In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don’t think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.

Rilichu,

People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.

sadreality,

Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.

feedum_sneedson,

sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.

People just don't care, which is the most fucked up part

Mongostein,

People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.

Domriso,

That doesn't make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.

HughJanus,

Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn’t have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?

Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.

Domriso,

But as a martyr the government can paint him as being only about racism, not about economics.

potterpockets,

Also he was assassinated 4 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, so to say he wouldnt remembered without being killed is a gross exaggeration. It may have boosted his legacy, but there is not doubt he would still be an important figure in American history.

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written? Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.

HughJanus,

Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written?

No I was raised in Antarctica.

Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.

Not a chance. There is no shortage of motivational speakers in this world.

UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN,

He would have eventually run for President. Malcolm X couldnt, but King could. King had lots of white people starting to side with him.

bizzle,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.

sadreality,

After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.

No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.

Blamemeta,

Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.

halvar,

As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.

Viper_NZ,

The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen

Chuymatt,

Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.

m_f,
bizzle,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable

Nonameuser678,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.

bizzle,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.

Jimmycakes,

They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.

chemicalwonka, (edited )
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Mark Zuckerberg a Lizard King

dan1101,

I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it’s aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.

echoplex21,

Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn’t even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

It's always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.

SubArcticTundra,

I think it’s bogus and they’re using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war

AtHeartEngineer,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

100% it’s bogus. They aren’t using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.

skillissuer,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes

Meowoem,

It’s the intersecting lasers making plasma thing they were working on, all the same physical properties and it’s probably what they were testing at that exercise where the tictac was filmed.

My guess is it half works but it impractical so they’re doing this poor cover up attempt to make China think it does work so they’ll invest r&d into it and waste resources, they used to do that to Russia all the time

Jackthelad,

I don’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.

flipht,

Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary's monkey and Mary's mosaic.

Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.

mysoulishome,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.

Moving target and you don't make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?

If it's the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage

nyar,

Please keep in mind:

The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.

Alto,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Trust me I'm well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of "they're incompetent fools" and "their power is limitless and they're all knowing".

Doesn't change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that's standing still than one moving in a car

NoIWontPickaName,

For examples please see Fidel Castro

jerrimu,

It was mafia.

Today, (edited )

I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.

Meowoem,

Over thirty people making videos it taking pictures in the plaza, every story and statement poured over time and time again in intricate detail… And we’re still no where near a consensus opinion on what happened.

some_guy,

I think Oswald acted alone and got two shots with one making contact and the other hitting the curb. The kill shot was from a Secret Service agent who fell forward in a moving vehicle.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error

shadearg,
@shadearg@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, the AR-15 got JFK too? Sheeit. /s

30mag,

Why? It wasn’t much of a plan.

peyotecosmico,

A small part of me (not fully) thinks that COVID was a biological weapon that got out of hand from some pseudo dictator, there’s too many of them and they aren’t that bright/care to measure the consequences.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Came from a lab? Possible. But it doesn't really have the hallmarks of a bioweapon. It spreads way too rapidly. There's no functional antidote/vaccine/treatment. There's no preventives. It mutates waaaay too quickly. All things that remove control from the users. If you're going to bio-bomb a population, you definitely don't want major blowback.

whileloop,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

I’d believe COVID was a bioweapon if the main suspect wasn’t also the country that was hurt most by COVID.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

And also, if COVID was a bio “weapon” its efficacy was really crap considering that the majority of people still survived it, even without medical assistance.

jantin,

Heh. Survived but at what cost? 10% infected are temporarily disabled, 2% permanently. Unless you design it for battlefield, quick death is not a priority. In the era of directed refugee streams used as bargaining card at best, weapons at worst it’s not hard to figure out, that disabling/incapacitating a part of population is a better long-term strat than going for decimation: you burden the social services and diminish the workforc. For the record: I DO NOT believe COVID was a weapon and I DO NOT believe it leaked from a bioweapon lab.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

I actually read a pretty funny theory that claimed it was a bioweapon designed to function like a naturally occurring disease.

The basis of the argument was that it was used to rapidly disrupt the global market which would cause many large international corporations’ stock value to drop, allowing China to buy out ownership of direct competitors or expand control for cheap.

In that sense, it would have been a perfect bioweapon because it absolves China of having manufactured it in a lab, and its rapid spread but low mortality did have the disruption effect that China wanted.

tbh though I’m still convinced it was just SARS’s cousin that probably mutated in a bat lol

MonkRome,

China didn’t really benefit from Covid, so one would think that if that was their plan, they would have planned better.

SubArcticTundra,

Sounds feasible. What was the purpose of the wuhan lab again? It could clearly be a facade for bio weapon research

skillissuer,
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

chemical and biological weapons aren’t useful for modern military and this is the reason these were banned, not any ethical constraints acoup.blog/…/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical…

ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.

Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.

bulwark,

Dude if you haven’t read it, Dark Alliance is about the CIA’s cocaine contras and it’s pretty eye opening.

propaganja,

Uh I haven’t but isn’t that written by Gary Webb?

Today,

He also closed (rather than overhauling/updating) mental health facilities, dramatically increasing the homeless population.

Meowoem,

I genuinely think they have a cult like belief that they need to fuck over poor people as much as possible to maintain a society in which they can be above the law, infinitely powerful and wealthy.

Everything they’re doing seems calculated to cause problems and ruin solutions.

UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN,

We had a similar “suicide” over here in the 80s.

MiddleWeigh,
@MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world avatar

I believe money is used to replace God so a select few can have unlimited access to the “source”. A false “god” is then permitted to be pushed on the people for further oppression.

stingpie,

Instead of a golden calf, it’s a bronze bull.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

But regular god is also used to push oppression.

See:

  • The Crusades
  • Anti gay/trans nonsense going on in the shithole states lately
  • The Spanish Inquisition (nobody expected this one)
  • Basically the entire Middle-East

People putting their faith in anything they don’t control inevitably leads to this.

Send_me_nude_girls,
@Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de avatar

The Italian aliens.

wazoobonkerbrain,

Italians are aliens?!?

Send_me_nude_girls,
@Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de avatar

So many UFO landed there. Coincidence?

Dicska,

🤌Italien🤌

Sightline,

Is this the pancake story?

hltdev,

2012 is the end of the world

FatTony,
@FatTony@lemmy.world avatar

I certainly haven’t felt alive since.

CaptainBlagbird,
@CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world avatar

Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?

ocean,

So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.

charlytune,
@charlytune@mander.xyz avatar

My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn’t believe. Like if it somehow turned out he’d been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he’d tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.

chicken,
@chicken@lemmy.world avatar

i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true

qwet,
@qwet@lemmy.world avatar

There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’s called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.

knaugh,

it’s the heritage foundation, the plan is called project 2025 and it’s all out in the open at this point

MountNDoU,

I thought it was 2035?

Or am I mixing up the dates because it’s speculated that without a very blatant push to consolidate power at any cost, the GOP will almost certainly never win a national election and even become a longshot to get control of either House of Congress with their current ideology after 2035?

Idk. I for one would be pretty cool with another paradigm shift and the GOP flys way to the left and the already center right DNC takes up the mantle of being the conservative party again. Power is power after all right? If they really wanna be the kingmakers, this would be my fever dream.

gonzo0815,

QAnon was made up by Trumps entourage to deflect the accusations against him.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Nah the Trump fanbois would gladly do that work for free. They’re pretty communist like that

some_guy,

Yes, this is it. Most likely it was the South African guy who first said that someone had hijacked Q’s account that started it. He couldn’t admit he was behind the account or he’d expose and embarrass himself when CodeMonkey (Ron Watkins) took it from him. Then the Watkinses were behind it from then on.

The QAnon docu-series on HBO did an excellent job of showing that this is likely what happened. I’m super interested in that loony movement (as a spectator and worrier) and yet it still presented all kinds of details and info that I hadn’t known. Also, Will Sommer, author of * Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America* and the hosts of the QAnon Anonymous podcast (also spectator and worriers) think this is the most likely answer and they collectively know more than almost anyone about the subject.

In the end, it was sort of an accident that it got so big and they just lucked into it.

backgroundcow,

The industrial revolution is an illusion created by 14:th century wizards.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

…Interesting.

Would you mind elaborating? I approach in good faith :)

backgroundcow,

No technology actually works, it is all a magical illusion. You may think a steam engine works with heated water and pressure; a computer with circuits and electrons; etc.; well, that is all gobbledygook, and what actually makes any of these things do things that occasionally seem useful is nothing but powerful illusion magic. If the assembly of mages decide to dispell the illusion, we’ll be back in the middle ages. For one thing, it seems they never really got the illusion to work quite right for printers.

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