The new Moderna vaccine kicking anyone else's ass?

Up until now, I’ve only gotten the Pfizer vaccines. And while I’ve reacted to them, it was never particularly bad. Light muscle aches and some fatigue were basically it. Worst was the second one - I could feel my hair follicles and eyelids with that one.

But the Moderna one seems to be quite the beast.

When I found out I could get the new Moderna, I was excited, since I’ve heard that mix-and-match is probably the strongest immunity you can get. And I figured it wasn’t going to be that bad when after several hours, I only had some light fatigue.

But today has been awful. Consistent fever around 102.3, chills, headache, nausea, whole-body aches, and ludicrous levels of exhaustion. I’ve been utterly useless.

Is this what Moderna vaccines have been like all along? I’ll take it over contracting COVID-19, definitely… but ouch. It’s hurting me plenty.

Next morning update: Chills are gone, fever seems to be gone, muscle aches aren’t entirely gone, but they’re fading. All in all, 10/10 would feel like shit for a day again to help stop the spread of a dangerous disease.

Dagamant,

Happened to me, got worse each booster. The initial shot had me feeling kinda drained for a day or two, second made me feel like I had a cold, third made me feel like I had the flu really bad. I haven’t gotten the most recent one yet because of how bad the last one was. All were Moderna.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Might be time to try the Pfizer one.

sturmblast,

I had a very similar experience the first time I had a Pfizer shot, I think it’s fairly common

Jackthelad,

Making yourself more ill with side effects from the vaccine than you would likely get if you caught Covid.

“I’d rather have it than Covid though”. Why? 🤷

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Because I’m definitely not more ill than I would be from COVID-19, and I’m unlikely to accidentally kill anyone by spreading a vaccine to them.

Jackthelad,

How do you know that? I’ve had Covid twice and it was nothing like the symptoms you’re describing there.

None of us know how Covid would affect us. But in 99% (probably more than that) of us, it’s no worse than a cold or mild flu. Automatically thinking that you’re going to end up in hospital is silly.

effward,
@effward@kbin.social avatar

Easy to get COVID twice when you take no precautions.

You are the problem.

Jackthelad,

Twice in three years is “not taking precautions”? 😂

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Since you put so much stock in personal anecdotes, I’ve had it zero times in three years, so clearly my precautions are superior to yours, and there is zero possibility that I’ve gotten lucky in any way.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had Covid twice

You are the reason this is still happening, then.

Automatically thinking that you’re going to end up in hospital is silly.

What part of “other people exist” is unclear? I get vaccinated so I’m unlikely to be a vector for spreading the virus to people who’d die from it due to pre-existing conditions or age.

Jackthelad,

Do you know who I caught Covid off the first time? My step-dad, who had been vaccinated twice.

It doesn’t stop you spreading it Covid, but keep pretending it does if it makes you feel better.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

You know what? You’re right, getting vaccinated doesn’t make it impossible to catch and spread a disease. What it does is reduce the possibility, and reduce the severity and duration if you do catch it. What you’re doing is applying your personal experience - an anecdote - to everyone.

No vaccine ever has been 100% effective. Not even the smallpox vaccine. 100% effectiveness isn’t possible. You happened to catch it from a vaccinated person. It happens. Doesn’t mean being vaccinated didn’t reduce the severity of your step-father’s illness or the duration of his contagiousness. It almost certainly did both.

Jackthelad,

People I know who have been vaccinated and then caught Covid have had it worse than me and are in the same age group.

They all say “glad I got vaccinated, otherwise it would have been worse”. Based on what, exactly? Hope?

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Based on the science, not on anecdotes.

www.cnn.com/2022/10/24/health/…/index.html

Stop mistaking your personal experience for everyone’s personal experience.

Bluetreefrog,

It’s a common mistake to believe that our personal experiences are typical. It even has a name, the Availability Heuristic. Some use the term anecdote.

But when making decisions about things like whether to vaccinate or not vaccinate, it’s important to look at probabilities. And to do that we have to look at what happens to large groups of people. Thankfully, this has been done. Various studies have been conducted which looked at large groups of people, literally millions in some cases and their conclusions have remained consistent.

They are that the vaccine has some risks, but they generally are mild. But more importantly, the risks of the vaccine are lower than the risks from getting Covid.

That doesn’t mean that everyone who gets vaccinated won’t have a side effect, or that everyone who isn’t vaccinated will suffer be injured by Covid, but it does mean that, on average, you are far better to be vaccinated than unvaccinated.

I can link to some of the studies if you like.

Jackthelad,

That doesn’t mean that everyone who gets vaccinated won’t have a side effect, or that everyone who isn’t vaccinated will suffer be injured by Covid, but it does mean that, on average, you are far better to be vaccinated than unvaccinated.

If you’re in an at-risk group, yes. But you don’t need to be vaccinated if you’re under-60 and healthy, because the vaccines only protect you, not anyone else as you can still pass it on. So the whole period with vaccine passports and other nonsense was stupid, harmed the cause of getting people vaccinated and led to increased scepticism of vaccines in general.

Bluetreefrog,

If you’re in an at-risk group, yes. But you don’t need to be vaccinated if you’re under-60 and healthy, because the vaccines only protect you, not anyone else as you can still pass it on. So the whole period with vaccine passports and other nonsense was stupid, harmed the cause of getting people vaccinated and led to increased scepticism of vaccines in general.

What you seem to be saying here is that if you are under 60 vaccines aren’t worth the risk to you personally, and that they don’t stop transmission thereby failing to remove a risk to others over 60. Tell me if I got that wrong.

Assuming that I didn’t, let’s unpick that:

If you’re in an at-risk group, yes. But you don’t need to be vaccinated if you’re under-60 and healthy,

It is correct that the risks of Covid to younger people are less than older people, but they are not zero. Your statement implies that it is only older people who are at risk, which is not correct. Vaccines still reduce the risk for younger people too:

“Among hospitalized adolescent patients, two doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine were highly effective against Covid-19–related hospitalization and ICU admission or the receipt of life support.” www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2117995

In fact, while younger people are less likely to suffer severe adverse symptoms from Covid, vaccination actually has a GREATER protective effect for young people against potential severe consequences . i.e. the consequences are mitigated more for young people than older people.

“We found a substantial effect of age on the results. Many HRs in younger individuals (<60 years-old) were in general lower (i.e. favouring vaccination even more) for outcomes significantly associated with vaccination” www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0889159122001118

as you can still pass it on

The r value for vaccinated people is lower than for unvaccinated people. That is, a vaccinated person with Covid will expose less people to Covid than an unvaccinated person will, which is safer for everyone else.

So in conclusion, vaccination does reduce the risks of Covid injury in people under 60 (as well as those over 60), and does reduce the rate of transmission.

When it comes to complex issues like this, the only sources of information that should be considered can best be found on Google Scholar.

SiriusCybernetics, (edited )

Yes, my first vaccine was Pfizer and second was Moderna, which caused heart issues. I went to a heart specialist and was diagnosed with pericarditis from the vaccine. It took awhile for symptoms to improve (pain, shortness of breath etc.). I feel lucky though.

An unusual amount of people had severe symptoms in our area after the Moderna vaccine. Healthy people in their 30s for the most part. Our electrician had a heart attack and a few people died. Needless to say I didn’t go for a third. We know a guy who technically died from it, but he was revived - they got his heart going.

Jackthelad,

This was the reason I didn’t get vaccinated. I already have myocarditis, and someone I know had the same and his condition was made noticeably worse after.

I’d rather take my chances with Covid.

effward,
@effward@kbin.social avatar

Good thing you're not in charge of anything..

SiriusCybernetics,

I came to the same conclusion, albeit a bit too late. I have all my regular immunizations and am no skeptic, but this one I now lump in the same category as the regular flu vaccine. Thanks but I’ll pass, but I understand others may choose for various valid reasons. This issue brings out the kooks though.

Jackthelad,

Some people have been driven insane by Covid, and if you even mention the fact you didn’t get the vaccine for perfectly sound health reasons, you’re labelled as an anti-vaxx loon.

Nobody understands nuance anymore. In any kind of debate.

ryannathans,

Maybe you actually caught something while getting your vaccine

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t think so. Just slept off the worst of it and I’m feeling a lot better this morning.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

Happened to me. After my 2nd booster I felt really crappy for 3-4 days. Got tested at a clinic and was positive for the flu.

Fondots,

Haven’t gotten the new vaccine yet, but my first moderna gave me some chills, headache, and fatigue, I didn’t check my temperature but I wouldn’t have been surprised if I had a slight fever. It hit me maybe 8-12 ish hours after I got it, not too bad, but not exactly fun either, could have worked through it if I needed to but I was glad I had the day off. The real kicker for me though was I work night shift, I got it right after work in the morning, went home, went to bed, and it started hitting me a bit after I got up the next evening, and by the time I was ready to go to sleep the next morning I was feeling fine. If I’d been on a normal schedule and got the vaccine at the same time, I probably would have been going to bed at about the same time it hit me and I would have slept through all of the symptoms.

Most of my boosters have been moderna, and I haven’t had any issues with them besides a sore arm, so I think the first dose was my immune system going “hey wait, what the fuck is this? We got a code red over here” And with the boosters it pretty much just went “oh, ok, another one of these, go ahead and put it with the others, no biggie”

The one Pfizer vaccine I did get didn’t seem to make my arm quite as sore as the others. So that’s something I guess.

Papanca,

According to my records i’ve had Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Apart from a sore arm and maybe a bit tired, i thankfully had no other symptoms.

naonintendois,

That was pretty much me a few days ago. I ate food that was a little hot, and I could feel it going through my insides for a little while, and it was painful. My fever was close to 103.

Brkdncr,

I think it’s good if you have a strong immune system response to the vax. It means your immune system will be charged up with antibodies.

I always plan to take 1-2 days off after getting vaccinated.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I should have done. Oh well. At least I’m feeling a lot better this morning. C’est la vie.

Mang,

People still get vaccinated? Just curious, but haven’t seen or heard about covid in a while …

Valmond,

I got COVID just a month ago.

the_third,

Yep, it’s still a thing, we had two cases at our 100-ish people company recently.

idiomaddict,

Cases are up everywhere, more so than the normal end of summer way. The cases are less deadly, but they can still cause long covid, even without symptoms

Jackthelad,

Ah yes “Long Covid”, or “post-viral syndrome” as we used to call it. The chances of it happening are very slim and could happen with any cold or flu virus you catch, but let’s pretend it’s something new.

And ignore that it’s massively overblown, and led by people who think having a headache one day, two months after having Covid is evidence that they’ve got “Long Covid”.

news.sky.com/…/long-covid-risks-are-distorted-by-…

idiomaddict,

As though previous failures of the health system are a reason to continue to fail people.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

I knew my question would summon the anti-vaccine idiot-brigade.

Itsamelemmy,

I’m not anti, I’ve had 3 doses.They sure aren’t making it easy to get this one. I’ve had an appointment canceled at Safeway, and been to Walmart twice. First time told come back next week just walk in, and then turned away and told to make an appointment online when I did. Seriously just considering saying fuck it. It shouldn’t be this fucking difficult.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t give up! The reason that’s happening is that demand for the new doses is far outstripping predictions, so they’re running out. That’s going to taper off.

Itsamelemmy,

Managed to get phizer and the flu vax last Friday. My last 3 doses were Moderna with no major side effects, and this most recent phizer was the same. Arm ache, and maybe slight chills for a night. Thanks for encouraging me to try again. Think I was just trying to get them done too soon. Still didn’t have a choice, phizer was all they had. I don’t think there’s much difference though, and either is probably better than none.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, definitely. Despite Moderna kicking my butt for a day or two, I’m very glad I got it. Much rather not be part of the problem.

Mang,

Who said anything about being anti vaccine? How about you fuck off if you ain’t gonna answer?

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a really stupid question. Of course people still vaccinate. There are two new strains going around that are rapidly increasing hospitalizations.

Mang,

Where I am from, no there hasn’t been any covid talk in a few months …

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

So? Just because no one you know is talking about it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. I’d bet if you called the local hospital and them if there’s been an uptick in COVID-19 cases, they’d wonder what rock you’ve been living under.

For the record, the strain with the largest circulation right now is EG.5, which is a descendant of Omicron (which should give you an idea of how infectious it is).

Very_Bad_Janet,

My husband just got over COVID. Two colleagues at work, and their families, also recently had COVID. My kids' have a number of cases at both of their schools.

BitingChaos,
@BitingChaos@lemmy.world avatar

The old Pfizer doses would shut me down for 3 days.

Fever, chills, body aches, fatigue.

The first shot wasn’t so bad. The second and third were insane.

I’m pretty sure I’ve had a fourth shot, but I don’t remember how I felt. I think I got covid last year, after already having the third shot, and I’ve been dealing with symptoms for over a year now (mostly muscle fatigue).

I want the new shot with the new variant mix, but I’m also afraid of how I’m going to react to it. I have too much going on at work and home right now to take half a week off for the shot.

I have a pretty crummy immune system and have always dealt with autoimmune issues, so it’s important that I get the shot, even if I react badly to it. :/

FReddit,

My immune system is compromised by a low level form of leukemia.

I was scared when I took the first Pfizer – no side effects.

The second one was painful as hell. The others were no problem.

Then I got Covid last week for the second time anyway.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

That sucks, sorry to hear it. I hope it was at least a mild case.

MxM111,
@MxM111@kbin.social avatar

Moderna was the easiest on me - did not feel a thing, not even a shoulder pain. I guess this is individual.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the sense I’m getting, yeah. Some people are saying Pfizer is the one that really knocked them out and Moderna never did. Guess I’m just the reverse. Oh well, I do feel a lot better this morning at least.

RealM,
@RealM@kbin.social avatar

Actually the old Moderna was having such a harsh reaction on younger people, Germany changed their recommendations to not allow anyone younger than 60 to get moderna.

I also had Moderna back then once and can only confirm, it knocked me completely out for a whole day with harsh fever like symptoms, really wasn't fun.

Haven't really been vaccinated for a year now, so can't talk about the new moderna.

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

I haven't had the new vaccine yet, but after evading the old strain and catching the new one before vaccines were available, I can say... the original Moderna vaccine kicked my ass about equally as hard as covid's first day did.

(The cough is by far the worst part, but for me that didn't start until later, so the covid fever day felt completely identical to the post-vaccine day.)

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve always gotten Moderna and just got my third (or fourth…I lost count) booster last week. This one was the first to barely bother me. I just got a little tired. The previous ones though were full beasts that knocked me out for 24 to 36 hours.

EDIT: From what I’ve read, Moderna’s latest booster is supposed to be effective against the two strains rampaging about this year. Pfizer can only confirm efficacy against one.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

Pfizer’s previous version was original+b.1, and their current is original+b4+b5.

Source: my left arm.

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