What kind of defenders can you not tolerate?

FUCK ALL SHOPLIFTERS!!

People who defend shoplifting from stores. I had a minor debate with someone who was pridefully going on about how we should steal from stores to affect the profits of the CEO and “The Man”.

I had to inform them that stealing from stores won’t necessarily affect the payroll of the corporation. It will only harm the stores and the employees inside. Because each and every store is operating on a budget of their own and what they sell determines said budget.

So if groups of people decided to steal from that store, sapping up the budget and hurting sales, then it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there. Making shoplifters look both like an asshole and a dumbass in one.

beefbaby182,
@beefbaby182@lemmy.world avatar

Dial it back in this community, or risk a ban. Thread locked.

4RYAZ,

Every sjw is as lame as another

Sethayy,

Dude you can’t get paid below minimum, like all fucking stores do. This ain’t hurting anyone except those who are lucky enough to have something to lose

infyrin,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Aren’t you an armchair knowitall? Okay bucko, how would you know whether or not it affects someone working? Do you even work? I doubt it by how ignorant you’re being.

CADmonkey,

After reading op’s comments in this thread, I’m going to just say they’re a piece of shit who has never had to make any hard decisions.

infyrin,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s adorable how so many idiots think I’m some well-off CEO or executive. Bruh, I’m just like you, a person working a shitty job. I just don’t take dumb risks like you would. I know and care about the people I work around so I don’t do stupid fucking shit that’ll affect them like stealing from the store.

Shitbags like you, sit there in your little internet armchair of knowledge, pretending you know it all but I bet you get welfare and foodstamps because you’re a deadbeat who doesn’t want to work. That’s why you think stealing is okay. That’s why you’re all up and arms to justify why shoplifting is okay. Because that’s where you probably are in life - at the damn bottom. Look at me, asshole, I get paid $17.82 an hour and my monthly expenses are north of $1,700. Do you have that kind of responsibility? Do you? No you don’t fuck ball, you don’t know a fucking thing about me, so sit down in that fucking little internet chair of yours and shut the fuck up. Go shove a dick in that run a mouth of yours, retard.

karobeccary,

Trust me, no one thinks you’re a ceo bud.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Pirates who screech with entitlement instead of admitting it’s theft.

Just own it, you moral cowards. There’s plenty of valid reasons to pirate media, you don’t need to make shit up to salve your conscience.

theKalash,

It’s definitly not theft though.

DragonTypeWyvern,

You deserve to live in a world where artists aren’t entitled to profit from their work.

Unfortunately, that’s in a large part still this one regardless.

SneakyThunder,

“Intellectual property” is not a real property, therefore its not “theft”

Private property was “invented” to avoid and resolve conflicts that arise from potential uses of scarce resources. As ideas are not scarce — they’re not property.

And that bs excuse about artists is laughable. IP is relatively new development, mostly enforced in western countries. And yet art existed throughout all of human history!

If anything, IP hinders creativity, and allows big corporations to monopolize the market.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Why did you just post a bunch of screeching?

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

Piracy is not theft if buying digital licenses is not owning

DragonTypeWyvern,

Yeah, because rental businesses don’t exist.

Just own it, coward.

frippa,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

how? most stuff is just released on streaming platforms, or on on-demand shit like that YT movie crap, owning stuff is more difficult than ever, the only real way to own your software/files is to pirate them, AKA making an offline copy.

DragonTypeWyvern,

I mean own the thieving nature.

Spite is a perfectly acceptable justification for stealing from terrible companies.

bouh,

You can’t steal an immaterial thing. Because you can’t lose an immaterial thing, unless you’re forced to delete it.

DragonTypeWyvern,

REEEEEEE I DESERVE IT BECAUSE I WANT IT REEEEEEE

Zozano,

I don’t care if it is or isn’t. All of the Hollywood strikes should illustrate that any potential revenue would not benefit working class people, but would be funneled up to executives to pay for the coke which will get snorted off their cocks.

There are content creators who actually benefit from donations and merch sales. I do support them. I don’t think there’s any moral contradiction.

DragonTypeWyvern,

1: You clearly care if it’s justified, because you just justified it to yourself.

2: Class warfare is valid, and theft is an accepted and encouraged practice within it. They sure don’t mind doing it.

Zozano,

I was saying I don’t care if it is or isn’t theft, not whether it’s ethical.

I’m convinced taking money from multimillionaires is ethical. The money is better in the hands of people who need it.

Sethayy,

Eh there’s the theft is the act of removing and taking something, piracy is copying something under copyright, hence the 2 different words.

You can call them the same but the you’re just choosing to ignore the theology that copyright is bs

DragonTypeWyvern,

Completely Unnecessary Cope

It’s called piracy because you’re stealing shit.

tallwookie,

phalanx

bane_killgrind,

it’s going to hurt the pay of the people working there

So there are a lot of reasons to be against stealing, but this isn't one of them.

Wal-Mart and County-Wide Poverty https://aese.psu.edu/nercrd/economic-development/for-researchers/poverty-issues/big-boxes/wal-mart-and-poverty/article-wal-mart-and-county-wide-poverty

Corporate owned stores like this are the ones that people are talking about stealing from. The facts are, the wages that are paid by Walmart can't possibly be less. Walmart enjoys https://businessmodelanalyst.com/is-walmart-profitable/ being the most highly profitable in the list mentioned.

If Walmart paid less, they couldn't maintain their staffing levels. The workers would be even more highly impoverished, if they choose to stay.

infyrin,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Stealing is still not the answer.

bane_killgrind,

Does that matter? In the context of sustained abuse of workers? Every dollar that is used for employees' food stamps and other benefits is a dollar taken from tax payers.

The difference between a shoplifter and Wal-Mart is a matter of degrees, not morality.

HotDogFingies,
@HotDogFingies@kbin.social avatar

Oh, I'd say it's a matter of morality. No one in the Walton family is going to go hungry any time soon.

infyrin,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it does matter. Thieves affect that too. Man, this is what I’m talking about, these idiots going out of their way falling over on eachother to defend shoplifting. Your arguments suck.

bane_killgrind,

You are making moral conclusions, and making factual statements that are untrue or exaggerated.

How much do you think this affects prices? The higher operating costs and losses are absorbed across all of the products on the shelves. Do you think that's noticable? Do you have any real idea of what the operating costs of a grocery store are?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/errolschweizer/2022/01/31/where-do-grocery-prices-come-from/

Prices being higher drives theft more than the other way around.

https://beta.cp24.com/news/2022/12/17/1_6199163.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/grocery-price-analysis-1.6774669

Show me some numbers. Until now it just seems like you made a snap judgement and have no real basis to your beliefs.

omnibelt,

That’s a easy statement to make with a full belly and no worries about where your next meal is going to come from.

infyrin,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

It’s an easy statement for me to make when I am responsible with my finances unlike most. You must be bitter about something, is it because you yourself, suck at financing so you’ve gotta steal? The fuck out of here.

omnibelt,

Yikes, that’s a lot of assumptions you made about me from one sentence. Personally I’ve never had to steal, I grew up middle class and had the opportunity to build up savings to become financially independent, just like you apparently.

I just learned empathy while growing up, so I can understand that some people didn’t have the same opportunities I had, and now have to resort to stealing.

bane_killgrind,

So you defend a corp taking advantage of poor people because poor people did it to themselves.

Despite the fact that there is empirical evidence that when a Walmart is opened in some towns, local businesses are priced out, wages are reduced in that town and money is funneled away to the corporation instead of being spent locally.

Poor people don't want to be poor, the work available to them has shit pay. Should millions of people just move away from towns when a Walmart opens up? And where would they go? And how would they afford to go?

waterbogan,

Shoplifting also results in increased prices for the paying customers - that’s how these businesses recover their profits. So they may not hurt the corporations but they do hurt their employees, but most of all they hurt you

Rouxibeau,

I’m more concerned with the people getting killed for trying to feed their family. They are the victims here.

Astroturfed,

Corporations are literally already charging as much as they thing they can get away. That’s the upper limit on the abusive monopolistic consumer goods we’re buying. Weather someone steals a few items isn’t going to effect the price. They’re charging as much as they possibly can, all the time. That’s the hell we live in.

mrbubblesort,
@mrbubblesort@kbin.social avatar

Small scope answer, but I hate people who jump in during a fight, or worse, go in and start sucker punching the "winner" after it's over. Never get in a fight kids, but if it happens, don't make it worse either. Call the police, teachers, whoever and remove yourself from the situation

OurTragicUniverse,
@OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social avatar

Anyone who defends conservative politics is scum.

oshitwaddup,

People who defend carnism. Any other time animals are hurt for pleasure it’s an obvious problem until they taste too good for you to give up eating them

Cinnamon3431,

but circle of life tho??? what about the plants!!1!!11 /s

waz,

I hate plants. That is why I eat them alive.

(Stolen joke from a highschool friend, .Thanks Mike)

Rouxibeau,

If you see someone shoplift, no you didn’t.

meco03211,

Just no. If you see someone shoplifting diapers, baby formula, or stuff like that - no you didn’t. If you see the brazen ass mobs stealing all the phones from an apple store, you can see them. You don’t need to do anything about it. You can choose not to see them, but I don’t think there’s some moral imperative to ignore that level of theft.

mrbubblesort,
@mrbubblesort@kbin.social avatar

You say there's no imperative to ignore, but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though? Maybe if it's a small local store owned by a friend or something, but if it's one of the big box retailers or brand names ... meh ¯_(ツ)_/¯ They got insurance, worst that will happen is they get a bigger tax write off from their insurance bill at the end of the quarter

meco03211,

…but is there any moral imperative to care about that level of theft though?

Certainly not an imperative. I just felt there needed to be a distinction.

Rouxibeau,

I ain’t calling the murder brigade for any of them.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Especially since we’ve had US cops kill several shoplifters this month alone.

bane_killgrind,

If you think luxury goods manufacturers engage in more ethical business practices than groceries and pharmacies... That's not true.

From the perpetrators side, nobody paid their rent pawning baby food. Or paid heat. Or paid for a car to drive to a low wage job.

Hildegarde,

Its not your job to do loss prevention work for free. Unless they’re going to pay you for the report, shoplifting is none of your concern.

Do give corporations free labor.

xigoi,
@xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Shoplifters increase prices for everyone. So yes, it is your concern.

Hildegarde,

Shops set their prices to what they expect will maximize revenue. The losses due to shoplifting are only a portion of their overhead.

National chain stores do not operate on such razor thin margins that they have to modify their prices in response to shoplifting in order to break even.

bane_killgrind,

It doesn't.

ericbomb,

Defending abusive cops. So a lot of cops I can’t stand as a result.

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    Rhynoplaz,

    Sorry you look like a serial killer.

    RememberTheApollo,

    Billionaire worshippers

    Politician worshippers

    Wealth worshippers

    Fame worshippers

    Basically people who defend people who don’t deserve or need to be defended. Wealthy people have lawyers to defend them, they certainly don’t need or want you, and they don’t need you to justify them making a million an hour in dividends or interest while sitting on their asses.

    Politicians work for you, why do you worship your employee?

    Famous people can fuck right off, especially influencers. Why do you defend someone destroying a $200k car or wasting absurd amounts of food?

    E: oh, Military worship, too. That shit is right up there with fascism and autocratic rule.

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