Has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture?

When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it’s clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who’s feeling like we’ve just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

demlet,

I thought the point of Lemmy was that people could make their own instance if they don’t like what’s on offer. It can be whatever people want it to be, and none of those are mutually exclusive.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I felt that way until I found out the bigger instances aren’t even much older. Lemmy World itself apparently started as soon as the changes were announced but before any big protests began. Instances that were around even before those either were not very active to even have an established culture, or are so niche they’re not really affected.

Cethin,

Also, it’s likely that anyone on Lemmy had tried reddit prior. Lemmy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Lemmy culture is former reddit culture to some extent, for better or worse.

birdpatch,

I think it’s still much too small to have that problem honestly

danhakimi,
@danhakimi@kbin.social avatar

You mean the circle-jerk of six tankies talking about how the West is the definition of evil? Is that the former Lemmy culture you're talking about? I don't remember there being anything worth mourning.

postmeridiem,

🤓

Ab_intra,
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

I find Lemmy much better than Reddit. But this comes down to what communities you follow in my view.

Nemo,

I can’t compare the two, since I swore off political munis at the same time I migrated. That alone makes for a much better experience.

BruceTwarzen,

I love when people say they are glad they are bot on reddit anymore and create a new one. Suddenly everything sounds like reddit again. Artporn, foodporn, earthporn we get it you are 16

cedarmesa, (edited )
@cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

💀

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Except for a few power-tripping mods and admins I haven’t seen much of Reddit culture here. And the blatant copy of r/place was a little cringe (especially as it was introduced with “let’s create our own customs!”).

Karmmah,
@Karmmah@lemmy.world avatar

I read that some people on here go about it by blocking accounts that are repeatedly toxic. I like this approach since it directly improves your own feed and if a lot of people do it with time the reduced exposure these accounts get could improve the platform as a whole.

notfromhere,

I, myself, have a blocklist a mile long. Communities as well as users. It’s made my mental health go way up. Some may argue I’m in an echo chamber but I much prefer conversations with pleasant and/or likeminded people to getting verbally shat all over.

Femcowboy,

As a movement/fandom/website gets bigger the more bad actors there will be within it. There’s also less consequences to ones reputation for being rude to others when a community gets larger because there are more people in the community you haven’t been rude to yet that you can still have positive interactions with.

I don’t think it’s something carried over specifically from reddit or its community but rather just what naturally happens (which also happened on reddit,) as communities get larger. They become more and more reflective of people at large, and right now people aren’t doing so hot.

GammaGames,

Beehaw is still pretty nice :) The moderation is part of why I joined it. I’ve definitely noticed other community getting toxic comments in the past few weeks, though

intensely_human,

If a place is moderated so heavily that is has no nasty comments, I wonder what else is being moderated away?

Micromot,
@Micromot@lemmycook.de avatar

Just look at the modlogs and you can see what is deleted

GammaGames,

Lol k

silvercove,

Yes it has. You can see this in political discussions very easily. There are too many people (mostly Americans) who are accusing everyone of being a Russian bot. This did not exist a year ago.

FrostyCaveman,

When I see the term “Russian bot” I can’t help but think of en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEDOR and that video of it awkwardly and inflexibly shooting guns

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I haven’t seen a platform that can have political discussions in good faith.

Maeve,

American here and I’ve seen it. The biggest turnoff is “tankie” bashing.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I had heard the term before, but I never figured out wtf a “tankie” was supposed to be until about a month ago when I joined Lemmy. It seems to be part of the Europification of US politics, which is interesting but perhaps not a positive trend.

Maeve,

My point is, you don’t have to accept an idea to consider it. I’ve heard good and bad from them. You know, like most people.

squiblet, (edited )
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

People very often decide and insist that someone is a “repost bot!” with absolutely no evidence, as if someone couldn’t do that manually. Repost? Sure. Automated? Not necessarily.

Candelestine,

Personally I did notice a change in tone, but it wasn’t the reddit influx, it was a couple weeks later, around the time the hacks started.

ToroidalX,

Everyone wants to pretend like the ones who left reddit where the good guys. Most of them just want the same thing: attention, controversy and bad memes. We where a part of reddit and as such, we brought reddit here too. Maybe is not you or me, but there’s people out there who will bring their toxicity everywhere they go. Be it Reddit, Twitter or Lemmy

JokeDeity,

Unpopular opinion, but I really hate the soft bubble space every social media is becoming and welcome the freedom of speech. I’m not saying people should be harassing each other, but it is nice knowing I could call someone a fucking dumbass when they’re being one and not expect an IP ban.

Spiracle,
@Spiracle@kbin.social avatar

Yes and no. I’d prefer user choice/curating your own list of instance you interact with.

However, each community also adds further burden on moderation. The communities you allow affect the culture, and some are very clearly more trouble than others.

My current solution would be to have multiple accounts for different sections of the fediverse. Currently I only have a generic Kbin and a Lemmy account, but if you find a Lemmy instance that’s federated with the broader free-speech spectrum without just veering into insane territory itself, I’d be interested.

Maeve,

What if instead of that we asked why someone thinks a way, and what led to their conclusions?

JasSmith,

The first step is allowing others to think a different way. On Reddit, using the wrong word can see you banned from 20 of the top subreddits and even earn you a site-wide ban.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

I recall that 5-6 years ago on reddit, veering into a disapproved sub and saying anything at all, such as "Wow, I really disagree with this", could result in automatic bans from other subs for participating in the disapproved sub. Also, the widely disapproved sub would quickly permaban you with a hateful message containing various insults.

Nemo,

True. I got an automatic ban from r/BlackLivesMatter, as sub I participated in regularly, for calling out a wrongheaded comment on r/conservative, a sub I’d never visited before. And while the mods at the BLM sub were happy to review and correct this ban, it was still a bit jarring.

kick_out_the_jams,

Getting banned by a bot and having to beg somebody to actually read what you posted is an experience.

Levsgetso,

I think radical and hateful people should be called out but just insulting each other is going to radicalise them even further. The best way is to have a civil discussion and see the other’s pov, and when they can’t do anything but be an asshole, just ignore them.

Ensign_Crab,

I think that anywhere that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Not every site needs to pretend forever that bigots are just misguided souls who just need a lil’ more understanding before they stop being bigots out of the goodness of their hearts because they’ve attained satori. Bigots can and do take advantage of sites like that.

If you want to engage with bigots, there’s plenty of places for you to go do that. reddit, facebook, threads, xhitter, truth social, 4chan, the comments section of any youtube video, hell even lemmy has exploding-heads.

There’s too many nazi bars already. Not every bar needs to be one.

Levsgetso,

Definitely agree, some people are just not worth even engaging with.

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

People can and do undergo change and become enlightened. Certain people, however, are not willing and do not engage in any sort of good faith exchange of ideas, and I agree - it’s useless. I’m not here to provide angry psychopaths or government shills with therapy.

TORFdot0,

I came at the beginning of the Reddit exodus in June and I haven’t noticed necessarily a shift to Reddit’s culture as it’s grown but more of just the general toxicity that comes along with a platform growing to a certain size.

There is a lot more trolls and likewise people who won’t engage civilly with someone who has an opposing view (because why would you when there is a good chance the other person is just a troll?). I feel like the reaction to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities or most instances degenerating from Hexbear have shown me that.

Lemmy culture still seems to be intact. A lot of posting is still tech focused and the is still a lot of good discussion. It just seems like a lot of posts that make “Hot” on the All feed tend to be more combative or politically charged.

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