Visiting the US soon - do I really have to tip?

nii236, 11 months ago

When in Rome…

Rootiest, 11 months ago

Yes you need to tip if you are at a sit-down restaurant with a server taking your order at the table.

Whether or not you or anyone else agrees with that, it is the cultural norm and you would absolutely be rude not to.

If you are uncomfortable with this, choose to eat somewhere where you won’t be expected to tip. Don’t knowingly go to a restaurant where tipping is expected and then refuse to do so out of principle.

TWeaK, 11 months ago

Also tipping at bars is generally expected.

Harpuajim, 11 months ago

If you’re sitting down at a table having a meal with a waiter who is taking your order and bringing you your food then yes, 15-20% tip is strongly encouraged. If you’re going into a place where you order your food at a counter and pick it up yourself to take to your table or back to your home then tipping is not necessary.

MrComradeTaco, 11 months ago

Grab a gun ASAP maybe you could need it.

gun, 11 months ago

Yes, you do have to tip. Maybe not if it’s Chipotle or a place like that. But if someone is waiting your table you have to tip. Yes tipping culture is stupid. No, nothing has changed in the US. They do not have a living without tips, so refusing to tip cuts into their living expenses after they have courteously served you your food. It’s rude

bappity, 11 months ago

trouble is that by tipping you are enforcing tipping culture, giving the employers an excuse to underpay. You can’t win…

mintyfrog, 11 months ago

Tipping culture comes from minimum wage laws. Laws need to change before culture could change.

circuitfarmer, 11 months ago

I’d say yes. The situation is complex.

It’s clear that tipping culture is out of control. There are many places asking for 20% tips even when ordering from a counter where the interaction takes about 10 seconds.

Unfortunately there has also been a systematic underpayment of wages which has occurred largely on the back of tips. In some states it is even legal to pay less than minimum wage and supplement that with tips. For that reason, it’s not really an option to simply not tip without being the bad guy.

Certainly the system needs to change, but as of this moment in the US, just assume everything actually costs 20% more and tip.

BrainisfineIthink, 11 months ago

it’s not really an option to simply not tip without being the bad guy

My man you have got to shake this from your psyche, that’s exactly how the employers that aren’t paying their employees want you to feel. You’re offloading their greed and systematic exploitation of working class people onto yourself under the misplaced guise of personal guilt. There may not a way to immediately fix the problem, but I can guarantee it will never get fixed if we dont change anything.

duncesplayed, 11 months ago

just assume everything actually costs 20% more and tip.

And by “everything”, you mean “not actually everything, but you’d need a 400 page manual to describe what gets tipped and what doesn’t”.

TWeaK, 11 months ago

In most states it's legal to pay less than minimum wage (literally around $2 per hour) for workers who get tips.

One issue is that workers generally make more money off tips than if they just got minimum wage. So it's not just employers that are unwilling to change.

mintyfrog, 11 months ago

It’s only legal if their tips exceed the minimum wage. Whether or not the employee would ask for the difference over fear of retaliation is another story

Roko, 11 months ago

I have come across a couple restaurants that specify that they are “no tip.” I try to keep an eye out for those and try to give business to them. Or I avoid places with that expectation. But I usually tip around 20% in those common circumstances mentioned in this thread. I hate the system though. It’s parasitic and manipulative.

Fylkir, 11 months ago

American here. Here’s the three common contexts for tipping. Everything else is something someone’s trying to make a thing rather than actually a thing:

1. Restaurants: If someone is bringing food from the Kitchen to your table
2. Delivery: If someone’s delivering food. Or they’re personally delivering groceries.
3. Transportation: If someone’s driving you personally. Like a Taxi.

Some say you should tip bathroom attendants. I’ve never even seen a bathroom attendant, but that seems like such a bizarre job to tip for, even by American standards.

bpm, 11 months ago

Bartenders are a case that you’ve missed. A standard cash rate is $1 per drink. Bartenders have a lot of leeway when it comes to how quickly you’re served, and how strong your drinks will be, so tipping well may be in your interest.

ira, 11 months ago

And barbers/hairstylists. Unlikely to come up during a short visit though.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S, 11 months ago

It seems there’s a lot of discussion about getting rid of tipping, but I don’t know how much has changed in this regard.

Nothing has changed, and it never will, as it concerns poor and “therefore” “deserving” people. Americans’ talk is cheap.

The system seems ridiculously unfair, and that extra expense in a country where everything is already so expensive really makes a difference.

Agreed. So when you go to a restaurant and you have a maximum amount you can spend, divide the amount of money you have by (100% + local sales tax), then divide by (100% + the menu price), and subtract any surcharges added by the restaurant (assume $5.00 if you cannot look it up), often masquerading as a tip. I know it’s a lot of math, but you have a computer in your pocket. You’ll manage.

In my view, the US is a fractal scam. At every level, everything is an attempt to extract money from ill-informed “suckers”, from the running of the government, to the prices of supermarket groceries, to the tipping culture at restaurants, to even finding a place to put your car [1]. Every single thing is someone’s grift. In order to function in America, you need to be willing to be suckered to some extent. There’s no way around it. Unfairness is baked into every transaction, and increasingly more social interactions.

Everything in America is ridiculously unfair. We wear this on our sleeves, and for many Americans this fact defines their personality. Unfortunately, you will have to deal with it in the short term at least.

Now if you would like to be the one to lead the charge against the tipping culture and the foisting of responsibility for servers’ compensation onto the customer, then be my guest. Refuse to tip and make a big scene about it. Make plans for how to take the inertia of your big struggle and turn it into a mass movement. I would thrilled to join you. However, I somehow doubt that you’re ready to go that far; none of the customers who stiffed me ever went on to start anti-tipping movements.

So will AITA if I don’t tip?

Yes. You are expected by all members of the public here to tip. That is our culture, something we’re proud of for some reason, and our expectation. For some servers, tips are the primary source of income at work.

Is it really my personal responsibility to make sure my server is paid enough?

No, it is the responsibility of the employer. However, when no employer takes their responsibility and you sit yourself down at a restaurant, the logical conclusion is that either you pay that part of the server’s wages, or they get stiffed. You know that this is the conclusion. (Or if not, now you do.)

If you want to participate in our unique restaurant scam, you gotta accept that you’re going to get suckered into paying the server’s wages. Otherwise, don’t go to restaurants. When you go to a restaurant, you waste the employees’ finite time on this planet doing tedious, physically and mentally demanding bullshit that no sane person would choose to engage with, if not faced with the threats of homelessness and starvation. [2] At least make it worth their while.

Sorry if I come off as having a chip on my shoulder, but that’s only because I totally do. So many customers used to concern-troll me as a pizza delivery person and give me shit like “sorry, couldn’t afford to tip, they should really pay you more.” Yeah, they should, but you absolutely could have tipped; all you had to do was order one less topping. I’d love to see some actual solidarity with food service employees, but that would require challenging deep-rooted assumptions about our culture and we’re too shit-for-brains to do that. Americans are so compassionate and empathetic until the moment they actually have to lift a finger.

So when someone brings up “unfairness” or “it’s X’s responsibility to pay the workers” in response to tipping, I just kinda die a little inside from all the times those sentiments have been used against me and my colleagues.

[1] And don’t even get me started on the process of buying a car, or how the public was scammed into accepting a car-centric infrastructure.

[2] This is really a special case of the logic behind the antiwork movement: nobody actually wants to go to work. We only go to work under the threats of starvation and homelessness imposed by capitalism.

shanghaibebop, 11 months ago

the US is a fractal scam. At every level, everything is an attempt to extract money from ill-informed “suckers”, from the running of the government, to the prices of supermarket groceries, to the tipping culture at restaurants, to even finding a place to put your car [1]. Every single thing is someone’s grift. In order to function in America, you need to be willing to be suckered to some extent. There’s no way around it. Unfairness is baked into every transaction, and increasingly more social interactions.

What a quote. I will add that “we” also like to believe we have the most fair system. And in many ways, the “gotchas” are much more hidden and systemic than other countries. For example, you might be scammed haggling with someone in Southeast Asia, but we get scammed everyday by credit card companies making bank on every single transactions.

mbp, 11 months ago

Such a fantastic statement. I agree wholeheartedly on all fronts and really admired reading the thought process summarized so clearly. You obviously had lots of time to drive and rumenate after getting stiffed but it’s appreciated here.

RolandTheJabberwocky, 11 months ago

Only tip your server at restaurants and food delivery people, anywhere else is a scam. Servers and delivery people can be legally paid way less because they’re expected to live on tips, its shit but its how it works. If you don’t tip them they could have basically worked for you for as little as 4$ an hour. If you’re worried about amounts, just go for 15%, its the expected amount. Skip if they suck at their job though.

pruwybn, 11 months ago

Others have answered the question, but I did want to mention - many people mention that tips are important because employees can be paid below minimum wage, this varies state by state, and in my experience tipping is standard regardless of this.

Here’s a table of minimum wage by state:

www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/…/tipped

The “Minimum Cash Wage” column is the “tipped” minimum wage - this is what employers can pay for jobs that get tips. The “Basic Combined Cash & Tip Minimum Wage Rate” is the minimum wage for non-tipped jobs, as well as the minimum a tipped employee must receive in wage plus tips - if they don’t make enough tips, legally the employer must pay the difference.

So for example, in Washington state where I am, the minimum wage is $15.74 whether you’re tipped or not, but it’s still considered rude not to tip, and 20% is still the standard “good” tip.

kilgore, 11 months ago

Thanks for this! I'll be in CA, seems like they're getting minimum wage plus tips. At least a step in the right direction towards fair pay.

Zengen, 11 months ago

Honestly dude if you cant afford to tip. You have no business eating out in america. As a former tip worker, ya they us about 5$ an hour BECAUSE the workers make up for it in tips. and thats a big IF. theirs no obligation on the employer to make sure that they actually come up positive. and Ultimately if you dont tip because you dont agree with tipping? You just forced one of the poorest members of our country to serve you for literally 3$ which quite honestly? kinda makes you a piece of shit if you do that.

PowerCrazy, 11 months ago

You do not have to tip. Feel free to, but there is no law, no moral reason, and in a Capitalist Society it is enforcing the status quo. The tip is just a way to subsidize the owner of the restaurant and ensure workers are never paid more then minimum wage without tips.

mykl, 11 months ago

Yes, if you don’t tip they will call you a Canadian or worse.

Mastersord, 11 months ago

Tipping culture used to be a courtesy, but now it’s been classified as part of salary so restaurants don’t have to pay minimum wage to their waitstaff. You’re not required by law to tip, but depending on the place, waitstaff will remember if you tip or not and how much.

Tipping has not gone away except in some places where they explicitly say it’s not necessary.

Typically I double the tax amount and leave that as the tip. I will also round up from there if it’s an uneven amount to reduce change. Finally, I’ll pay more if service is exceptional or I’m being served by someone I know personally or if they’re doing me a favor.

Some places include tips in the bill, so be careful. I also usually don’t tip if picking up food because there is usually no guarantee that my tip would actually go to the people who actually prepared my order.

I also tip other service jobs (Barbers, mechanics, plumbers, etc…)